This is the internet, and people should definitely grow a thick skin if they want to enjoy it,Thank you, as for the rest of your post i disagree.
Thank you, as for the rest of your post i disagree.Thankfully this is the internet! :P
Go back to /b/, imbecile.
Sometimes not wanting a heavy handed admin approach is not just because you are from /b/ or whatever/
I don't know what the OP is talking about however.
You should uh.
Look at his name.
My favorite time was when they started talking without context and then the mudslide naked people came in.
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As a sign of solidarity with my oppressed NA brethren, may i suggestThank you ptx a lot of people in this game are bundle of stickss just now all of a sudden butthurt bundle of sticksry is a good excuse to punish people and use walls of pink text because everyone is a special snowflake.
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as the FREE CHAT 2013 sig?
Soo people are getting muted for typing naughty words now? I remember Ganner muted me because I said nigga pls once, but I didn't really think it was tyrannical just strict.
Does this mean saying I'm gay in chat means I'll get banned now?
If you can't play the game without having to use discriminatory slurs, you don't deserve to play at all.
Is "my old friendcher" discriminatory ?
If yes, what group is supposed to be offended ?
Is "my old friendcher" discriminatory ?
If yes, what group is supposed to be offended ?
Btw except very few people that use their mouths like trashcans, the swearing is pretty light on EU servers.
And trust me - I get it - we all recognize that calling your friend a 'my old friend' is different from angrily calling someone a 'fucking f@ggot', just like saying 'my nigga' to a pal is different from slurring a black person as a 'friend'. The intent behind the words in all these scenarios is different, but the point of the new enforcement policies is to make people more aware of what they are actually literally saying.
How about instead of trying to censor what words people can and cannot say, people just accept that it's not an inflammatory remark anymore and start being offended by something important.
Try yelling slurs in a restaurant and see how long it takes before you're asked to leave or ejected. This isn't the government telling you what you can and can't say, this is a privately owned server.
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Congratulations on missing the point of what I said. Feel free to read it a few more times and try again.
How about instead of trying to censor what words people can and cannot say, people just accept that it's not an inflammatory remark anymore and start being offended by something important.
self loathing white people are history's greatest monsters
who are you to say it's not inflammatory?
So whats up with the new iron fist of NA Admins being butthurt kids over things typed from a keyboard and abusing THEIR powers left and right. Constant Pinktext constant banning. Party Girl of bird especially needs to go.
Sorry, I've heard so many straight white male* excuses that they start to blur together.
*not saying everyone here is a SWM, but it's almost always two out of the three.
Has anyone ever wondered why you can count the number of openly female or gay players on NA with both hands and still have enough fingers left over to plug your ears and say, "na na na na"? Because suggesting someone is homosexual is considered to be the most insulting thing you can say to someone on here and if you're a woman then you deal with being called a whore and worse, specifically because you're a woman, when you kill someone just because you outplay them. Either that or you're a fake gamer girl who can't play games. And that's from the general population and not the individuals that constantly creep on and cyber stalk you.
Sure, the devs managed to get a bunch of cash out of you to bankroll their new game. But it's hard to expand their audience when their current userbase is alienating, not just minority groups, but normal, decent people.
Has anyone ever wondered why you can count the number of openly female or gay players on NA with both hands and still have enough fingers left over to plug your ears and say, "na na na na"? Because suggesting someone is homosexual is considered to be the most insulting thing you can say to someone on here and if you're a woman then you deal with being called a whore and worse, specifically because you're a woman, when you kill someone just because you outplay them. Either that or you're a fake gamer girl who can't play games. And that's from the general population and not the individuals that constantly creep on and cyber stalk you.
Sure, the devs managed to get a bunch of cash out of you to bankroll their new game. But it's hard to expand their audience when their current userbase is alienating, not just minority groups, but normal, decent people.
Has anyone ever wondered why you can count the number of openly female or gay players on NA with both hands and still have enough fingers left over to plug your ears and say, "na na na na"? Because suggesting someone is homosexual is considered to be the most insulting thing you can say to someone on here and if you're a woman then you deal with being called a whore and worse, specifically because you're a woman, when you kill someone just because you outplay them. Either that or you're a fake gamer girl who can't play games. And that's from the general population and not the individuals that constantly creep on and cyber stalk you.
Sure, the devs managed to get a bunch of cash out of you to bankroll their new game. But it's hard to expand their audience when their current userbase is alienating, not just minority groups, but normal, decent people.
Unfortunately this argument doesn't hold water because, first, nobody cares if you're gay or female. Pointing something like that out about yourself is frowned upon because it's unnecessary to know to play a video game. (ie. it's considered looking for attention.)
Second, welcome to every game community in the history of online multiplayer. If you honestly think using such 'offensive' words is keeping players away, then you must not play many other games.
It's also worth considering that these groups are minorities everywhere on the internet. I promise you, being supremely strict on "offensive" language will not bring diversity to cRPG. The only thing it will do is drive existing players away. Sure, you consider that a good thing since those players are obvious "bigots" since they choose to use language interpreted by some as a slur.
The only girl I've ever heard directly insulted was Winterly, which was very sad yeah. She was all like "here!" during rollcall for a battle and people were like "LOL IS THAT A 12 YEAR OLD BOY?"
Yeah, that's fucked up. Winterly was really nice to everyone, a good player, and I enjoyed her company. Really good battle-buddy to have. I've been playing for a good amount of time, and being a gigantic nerd, I play a LOT. EVERYONE is called "whore, slut, etc". If those insults were reserved for women, that'd be one thing. They're simply general insults to the vast population.
You've got to understand that the reality is not that women, homosexuals, transexuals, or whatever alienated minority group are not driven away because certain words are used in-game. I wish that were the case, because then you'd be rightfully crusading. I love playing with all sorts. It's interesting to hear different viewpoints on all kinds of shit that I wouldn't normally hear. However, member of those minority groups simply NEVER SET FOOT IN THIS GAME.
The fact is, those minority groups simply do not play online video games in the numbers that white male nerds do. There's very little that we can do about it. They're simply uninterested.
You don't think maybe more people would've stuck around if they didn't find it to be a hostile or distasteful environment?
You don't think maybe more people would've stuck around if they didn't find it to be a hostile or distasteful environment?
Hmm, I've got mixed feelings about this because cRPG has always been a safe place for these people to be themselves.
Every day they walk around in public keeping their true selves private from friends, family, coworkers and even girlfriends in a few cases because they know society generally looks down on homophobic/racist speech. So many times during the day they probably want to casually use the n-word or call someone a "bundle of sticks" but can't without risking losing their job or being ostracized by their classmates. Then they get home at night, pour a glass of chard and transport themselves to a fabulous medieval world where they can "come out of the closet" so to speak and chat with guys who are just like them.
It's too bad Gorath doesn't play cRPG anymore because it'd be interesting to hear his opinion on this subject. He was an outspoken advocate of gay chat rights in medieval combat simulators and was frequently muted by the powers that be because of this.
You seriously don't understand the difference between "I don't mean it when I say it" and a person who could have been bullied their entire life for it and may have had one or several traumatic experiences because of it. If only there was a word for that (it's "privilege)". And I'm not just talking about homophobia. Look at sexual assault/rape stats. Reported and estimated. Ask a woman in your life how many times she is accosted on the streets or feels threatened and then told it's her fault. It's not just a word in a vacuum, it's a constant assault and you're part of it.
You don't think maybe more people would've stuck around if they didn't find it to be a hostile or distasteful environment?
The only girl I've ever heard directly insulted was Winterly, which was very sad yeah. She was all like "here!" during rollcall for a battle and people were like "LOL IS THAT A 12 YEAR OLD BOY?"
Yeah, that's fucked up. Winterly was really nice to everyone, a good player, and I enjoyed her company. Really good battle-buddy to have. I've been playing for a good amount of time, and being a gigantic nerd, I play a LOT. EVERYONE is called "whore, slut, etc". If those insults were reserved for women, that'd be one thing. They're simply general insults to the vast population.
I think most people have tough skin on the internet, what other people say has less meaning because you don't know them, and aren't face to face. My daddy always taught me that you need to "consider the source". If someone you don't know, or don't respect is talking shit to you, "consider the source". Words have no power over you unless you let them.
That being said, I do think when people are going out of their way to be belligerent or going on ad nauseum to try and piss someone off, it looks bad on the game to someone who's just started playing within the last day or two, and things like that can certainly turn people off to a new MP game.
We were running 3k unique CD keys back under Ecko's running of servers. So I would disagree with that. People leave because they don't find the game fun because there's 10k other games released to play, or it's to hard. Dealing with people in game is probably the lowest reason to quit.
This isn't IRL, that's a reason for quitting in real life jobs not often for ones in games.
Say I was called a nerd all throughout my public schooling. Say kids larger and more numerous than I pushed my head into the toilet while chanting NERD NERD NERD. Say I was bullied my ENTIRE public school career because I was a nerd. Shall we then punish people that say the word "nerd" because it brings up horrific memories and traumatises me?
I also just want to say it's easy to miss something that has been normalized that doesn't directly affect you, and I think you weren't here for the time nude pictures of a player were leaked. The reaction of everyone was absolutely disgusting.
You talking about that classical/smooth blow up?
Never heard about that, but I have heard of some rather shitty "THIS IS YOU IRL" shit.
No, because only white males (cis scum) are called nerdsThis statement and analogy is so fucking stupid I don't even know where to start.
No. He is talking about the Coy/Alkonai blow up.
This statement and analogy is so fucking stupid I don't even know where to start.
Privilege: the thread
You talking about that classical/smooth blow up?
Never heard about that, but I have heard of some rather shitty "THIS IS YOU IRL" shit.
No. He is talking about the Coy/Alkonai blow up.
I don't know, there were probably quite a few people who initially tried crpg but were turned off by the unregulated chat going on. Back in the fall 2010, weeknights on the NA community servers were pretty bad.
I'm not going to name names, but the fact there's a few to choose from says a lot. I'm talking about a nude image of a female player, where we had everything from people going around to different teamspeaks and spamming the link in chat, to bartering over forum PMs offering ingame items for it.
This statement and analogy is so fucking stupid I don't even know where to start.
Privilege: the thread
I think we had more people leave from Donkleaps's Heavy chat regulation than from chat crazyness/sexisim/etc etc....
That's forum related and TS related, not IN GAME related.
It's also a very shitty thing to do but...that's not this discussion.
Now if you could do something like spam pictures over chat....my god, I'd be banning people non stop!
TL;DR:
"But you see, I don't even mean 'homosexual' when I say it, so it's not a bad thing. No, I'm not going to just say what I actually mean, my right to be intellectually lazy comes before someone else's desire to feel safe in their environment."
As I am not currently an admin I have never been discussing ingame rules, just my opinions regarding gamer privilege and this community specifically.
What I was saying that being a "nerd" is somehow exclusive to white people and thus equivalent to racism is the most bold-faced lie I've ever seen.
@aiyasha - fyi, there is an entire race of people that is discriminated against as "bookish" and guess what - its not white people
What I was saying that being a "nerd" is somehow exclusive to white people and thus equivalent to racism is the most bold-faced lie I've ever seen.
What I was saying that being a "nerd" is somehow exclusive to white people and thus equivalent to racism is the most bold-faced lie I've ever seen.
@aiyasha - fyi, there is an entire race of people that is discriminated against as "bookish" and guess what - its not white people
This was never the argument. Partyboy claimed that the words we're discussing were problems because there were people that were traumatized by them as children. Sandersson posted an analogy of someone who was traumatized as a child by being called a nerd (and I don't know how old you are, but I assume old enough to remember when 'nerd' was a bad thing) and yet nobody is getting banned for using a word like that, and the only explanation I can come up with is because it's not used to describe a minority race or an oppressed sexuality.
If somebody would like to throw out an explanation why some words are more fine than others, I'm all ears.
This was never the argument. Partyboy claimed that the words we're discussing were problems because there were people that were traumatized by them as children. Sandersson posted an analogy of someone who was traumatized as a child by being called a nerd (and I don't know how old you are, but I assume old enough to remember when 'nerd' was a bad thing) and yet nobody is getting banned for using a word like that, and the only explanation I can come up with is because it's not used to describe a minority race or an oppressed sexuality.
If somebody would like to throw out an explanation why some words are more fine than others, I'm all ears.
Something that would solve the issue with the least headache (although I think it'd be the lamest thing there could be) is either
a) Instead of the "no offensive shit" rule, which is entirely subjective, make a list of banned words. The rules can then be applied evenly between all admins. It's really stupid that I can say "dayum nigga" when certain admins are on, but not others.
b) Make a chat filter, and ban people for evading the chat filter.
Because "friend" and "chink" are both racial slurs, created by white people, in order to oppress minority's. The context is important. Why do you even want to use those words anyways, those words have very different meanings and cultural connotations to the Asian/Black community. There is no way that a white person could say those words and not be racist.
And it's the same with "bundle of sticks" and homophobia too.
Perhaps a general rule of treating others with respect, whether directly or indirectly.no, No, NO.
I think aiyasha's point is that different words effect people differently. Calling someone a bundle of sticks, nerd, chink, slut, etc. can all have the same effect on different people. If you are going to ban someone for saying one (some) of these things, you should be banning them for all of them.
My last post in this awful straight white male privilege thread, but please try educating yourselves on these issues before posting about how things aren't offensive. They only aren't offensive to you because you don't have to deal with these things.
anders: you don't get discriminated against in the same way for being a "yankee" it's not the same at all, but a list of the real offensive words would probably sit better than a "respect people" rule, given this community doesn't not understand that.
Sandersson's selectable chat filter would be the best bet here in my opinion. Make a big list of all the words the devs and admin team don't want being said, and make it an option to have them filtered out in game. It isn't a perfect solution, but at the least it is fair and consistent.
Sandersson's selectable chat filter would be the best bet here in my opinion. Make a big list of all the words the devs and admin team don't want being said, and make it an option for people to have them filtered out in game. It isn't a perfect solution, but at the least it is fair and consistent.
Some Racist terms for "whites"
I'm really surprised this didn't happen earlier in the discussion. I'm out for now, only so much I can handle.
I think we had more people leave from Donkleaps's Heavy chat regulation than from chat crazyness/sexisim/etc etc....
Yea, but Donkle went heavy handed on more than just hitting words like friend. He went towards plain old curse words to, such as fuck and shit as well as names of people.(and some not even offensive names!)
But that's a different story.
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unmuzzled sheep-biting ratsbane
vain spur-galled scut
venomed swag-bellied skainsmate
villainous tardy-gaited strumpet
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wayward toad-spotted vassal
weedy unchin-snouted whey-face
yeasty weather-bitten wagtail
Here instead of focusing on what we can't say, let's focus on what we can say to replace the void that is apparently left in everyone's vocabulary.
Has anyone ever wondered why you can count the number of openly female or gay players on NA with both hands and still have enough fingers left over to plug your ears and say, "na na na na"? Because suggesting someone is homosexual is considered to be the most insulting thing you can say to someone on here and if you're a woman then you deal with being called a whore and worse, specifically because you're a woman, when you kill someone just because you outplay them. Either that or you're a fake gamer girl who can't play games. And that's from the general population and not the individuals that constantly creep on and
Yes, let's create an arbitrary list of words that are a no-no because we're incapable of inferring context(using common sense). This entire thread is absurd. Here's the fucking bottom line: Your derogatory insults have more weight than what you think, whether they're racial slurs or simple insults that target a specific attribute of fellow human beings.I'm going to have to disagree here. It's the internet. Grow a pair.
It's rarely ever going to be the case that you can find an insult that someone, somewhere, hasn't been ridiculed with throughout their life, and are thus more sensitive to the term. Race, creed, gender, etc, doesn't matter. If we're going to enter into this discussion and actually try to fix the problem, then we need to actually fix the problem. That is, we as a community do the intellectually honest thing, and we deem all derogatory, hateful statements, as being 'wrong'.
Alas, I don't think this community is up for the task. Few communities on earth would be able to, as a whole, practice complete understanding and respect for one another. But any alternative to this, will either be hypocritical or intellectually dishonest in its implementation.
I'm going to have to disagree here. It's the internet. Grow a pair.Good argument, refuted my everything. I am fail and bow to your reason and logic. You are the superior human being that clearly has a better idea of how best to promote human well-being.
Excuse me sir your sig is offensive. It makes me feel unconformable is my phallic area. Can you please remove it. "chadz> i wouldnt mind seeing some penis on my character"You missed my point entirely. Congrats.
Simple solution:
Unban Farmer Nate and SpookIsland and use them to set the bar in terms of insults. Anyone that manages to be more offensive than them gets the ban-hammer.
It would be nice if people would think about what they just typed before they hit the enter key. Crpg is a pretty tight knit community, so you would think that people would be more considerate the others feelings. But hey, it is the internet, so that may be asking too much.
You know, you could always go and learn for yourself what is discriminatory and what is not. There is no shortage of first hand accounts of the effects of bigotry. Although, I will warn you, realizing you've been in the wrong all your life is an uncomfortable feeling and it's a lot easier to just go on doing it than admit it.
Education should be sought out and not forced upon, but here we are anyways.
Yeah it is pretty offensive to have a derogative term for a group of people claimed as a general term for anything bad or annoying. How is it any different than calling someone a "nigcher" or some such? It's not and if you don't find that offensive either then you don't deserve the right to talk about this stuff.
And if anything, it's worse on EU since you guys all think you're so further ahead than americans when in reality you're just as bad.
"wolves_skono_the_my old friend" and other wonderful things.
Yes, let's create an arbitrary list of words that are a no-no because we're incapable of inferring context(using common sense). This entire thread is absurd. Here's the fucking bottom line: Your derogatory insults have more weight than what you think, whether they're racial slurs or simple insults that target a specific attribute of fellow human beings.
It's rarely ever going to be the case that you can find an insult that someone, somewhere, hasn't been ridiculed with throughout their life, and are thus more sensitive to the term. Race, creed, gender, etc, doesn't matter. If we're going to enter into this discussion and actually try to fix the problem, then we need to actually fix the problem. That is, we as a community do the intellectually honest thing, and we deem all derogatory, hateful statements, as being 'wrong'.
Alas, I don't think this community is up for the task. Few communities on earth would be able to, as a whole, practice complete understanding and respect for one another. But any alternative to this, will either be hypocritical or intellectually dishonest in its implementation.
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You guys are safe from the tyranny, you know. The devs will never allow this to be enforced. Which is weird, I can't imagine why none of them would be concerned with the interests of people of colour, women, or the LGBTQ community. No idea at all.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say calling someone a bundle of sticks doesn't mean they are legitimate homophobes. It also doesn't mean they lack empathy or caring. It doesn't mean they are a faceless, internet sociopath. Also hate could come from any societal background.You shouldn't make such assumptions about people.Indeed, but it does mean they're being irresponsible with their speech, and inconsiderate of others feelings. Of course you can just say "toughen up", but that doesn't make you any less inconsiderate.
Honestly who's idea was it to change the admin team to Morality Police and make the c in cRPG stand for Christian Gaming?my nigga, QFT
Its a shit idea. If the devs have legitimate concerns about the "accessiblity" of their game then they can make a word filter. One that would probably have to cover half the turkish, russian, italian, etc languages to actually stop the inter-national trolling that cracks me up. And hasn't been addressed by anyone in this thread. Because of a white guilt/homophobia fixation in conversation? Ignoring all forms of insulting or rage that aren't presented here but appear to be bannable offenses from a videogame, in order to Follow the Narrative here of out of touch american white racists getting it wrong.
Its a competitive game. Like playing soccer. You call people bitches, bundle of stickss, stuff like that on actual sports fields all the time because of adrenaline, as a fan or player. BADPLAYER who sounds like the number one ignorant ideologue here, like 12 year old "amateur sociologist' who read a few reddit posts about Why Racism Exists. I've seen him go off on people being bundle of stickss or friends in literally every Dota game he's ever played. Usually while griefing the team and being bad. WAY worse then any cRPG stuff people do in that game. Yet somehow Dota/HoN/LoL is still insanely popular, and the worst people are usually punished on a select basis after player reports.
If admins start casually banning players for dropping "bundle of sticks" in a video game chat though, you will literally be losing 50-100 times more players within a month then you'd ever gain. That is when christian gaming servers pop up when a mod is already super unpopular and small, and either you get a few insane roleplaying spergs left to run and manage the one server with people trying to grin teeth and bear with it, or much more typically the game is uninstalled.
Basically who gives a shit lol etc, but the community is small and the game unpopular because it has no advertising and its not that good, and having admins of Tears of Destiny level involvement in the game absolutely kills a community faster then anything and is just a bad way to run a gaming community. Bad for players, bad for business, bad for common sense, and its even bad for the Advancement of Social Acceptance of Progressive Values, if that's the argument.
Honestly who's idea was it to change the admin team to Morality Police and make the c in cRPG stand for Christian Gaming?
Its a shit idea. If the devs have legitimate concerns about the "accessiblity" of their game then they can make a word filter. One that would probably have to cover half the turkish, russian, italian, etc languages to actually stop the inter-national trolling that cracks me up. And hasn't been addressed by anyone in this thread. Because of a white guilt/homophobia fixation in conversation? Ignoring all forms of insulting or rage that aren't presented here but appear to be bannable offenses from a videogame, in order to Follow the Narrative here of out of touch american white racists getting it wrong.
Its a competitive game. Like playing soccer. You call people bitches, bundle of stickss, stuff like that on actual sports fields all the time because of adrenaline, as a fan or player. BADPLAYER who sounds like the number one ignorant ideologue here, like 12 year old "amateur sociologist' who read a few reddit posts about Why Racism Exists. I've seen him go off on people being bundle of stickss or friends in literally every Dota game he's ever played. Usually while griefing the team and being bad. WAY worse then any cRPG stuff people do in that game. Yet somehow Dota/HoN/LoL is still insanely popular, and the worst people are usually punished on a select basis after player reports.
If admins start casually banning players for dropping "bundle of sticks" in a video game chat though, you will literally be losing 50-100 times more players within a month then you'd ever gain. That is when christian gaming servers pop up when a mod is already super unpopular and small, and either you get a few insane roleplaying spergs left to run and manage the one server with people trying to grin teeth and bear with it, or much more typically the game is uninstalled.
Basically who gives a shit lol etc, but the community is small and the game unpopular because it has no advertising and its not that good, and having admins of Tears of Destiny level involvement in the game absolutely kills a community faster then anything and is just a bad way to run a gaming community. Bad for players, bad for business, bad for common sense, and its even bad for the Advancement of Social Acceptance of Progressive Values, if that's the argument.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say calling someone a bundle of sticks doesn't mean they are legitimate homophobes. It also doesn't mean they lack empathy or caring. It doesn't mean they are a faceless, internet sociopath. Also hate could come from any societal background.You shouldn't make such assumptions about people.
Why bother even banning racial slurs, then? I say let's let this game be free for all if you're only going to barely part way.
Why bother even banning racial slurs, then? I say let's let this game be free for all if you're only going to barely part way.
I wasn't here when they decided saying the n word was against the rules, but I imagine there were a ton of tears and people swearing the game would lose half it's population and FREE SPEECHyet it's perfectly ok for black people to call each other niggas but when anyone else does it....O LAWDY LAWD
Its a competitive game. Like playing soccer. You call people bitches, bundle of stickss, stuff like that on actual sports fields all the time because of adrenaline, as a fan or player.
FIFA against discrimination
FIFA recognises its responsibility to lead the way in abolishing all forms of discrimination in football. Article 3 of the FIFA Statutes states:
“Discrimination of any kind against a country, private person or group of people on account of ethnic origin, gender, language, religion, politics or any other reason is strictly prohibited and punishable by suspension or expulsion.”
Why bother even banning racial slurs, then? I say let's let this game be free for all if you're only going to barely part way.
Funny is because I am a die-hard liberal activist for equality, but I'd gladly pass a cRPG ammendment to ban Shik, Badplayer, Partyboy, etc from ever posting about racism/intolerance + outlawing any future Obsecenity Laws in chat that will obviously be abused by admins to ban people they don't like on bullshit evidence while sounding legit (Gestapo tactics.)
I was only banning for a specific slur, much like the rules against racism are only for one specific slur.Didn't you just say all in or none at all?
They day i +1 smoothrich...
What, you had a 180 degree turn in life or something? Where's the "crpg is literally crawling with chocolate chip cookies and homophobes" speech? O_o
Haha. I always said stuff like this in the private admin forum, whenever the topic would come up. Veering too far into one direction would turn the small, already unpopular cRPG into a "Christian Gaming Server" and completely kill the community. I'd also vigorously try to get people banned for "trolling" unbanned. I think most of that shit is stupid, the players and the admins reactions (unless one of them is funny about it) and I think the majority of players here feel the same way, pretty laid back about stuff, can be funny sometimes just in moderation.I am nominating you for best player_na smooth
I think plenty of people have bad opinions in this community, but the way to deal with that is engage them in public so they have to defend themselves, to serve up proper ridicule and laughs for everyone, and occassional have real conversations about the issues (while punishing the special cases in fair ways, mutes not bans usually, looking at an in game filter). Conversations are fine, fun, and nice intellectual exercises. Running an already half-dead game into the ground with a juvenile LOL LETS STOP HATE mentality is just Bad ADminship.
Everyone who has taken time out of their lives to post a response any more length than this one needs to go get a job and some hobbies.
Think of all the things in the past that were acceptable at the time and are abhorrent now and consider it is because society decided collectively it was no longer acceptable to treat each other that way. Get on the right side of history.
Yeah, I'm done. Here's my first, and last, word on this.good riddance
So far nearly all posts in this thread warrant this response:
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Everyone who has taken time out of their lives to post a response any more length than this one needs to go get a job and some hobbies.
Everyone who has taken time out of their lives to post a response any more length than this one needs to go get a job and some hobbies.
I'm really surprised this didn't happen earlier in the discussion. I'm out for now, only so much I can handle.?
Are you saying that there's no racist terms for whites?
I think it's pretty close minded when people can't identify with any feelings other than their own, tbh. But that's kind of privilege in a nutshell, when the person in question doesn't have to worry about things other people have to. I mean, either that's the case, or the person just doesn't care. But that's when it crosses the line to being a sociopath.
I wasn't here when they decided saying the n word was against the rules, but I imagine there were a ton of tears and people swearing the game would lose half it's population and FREE SPEECH
I was only banning for a specific slur, much like the rules against racism are only for one specific slur.
It's rarely ever going to be the case that you can find an insult that someone, somewhere, hasn't been ridiculed with throughout their life, and are thus more sensitive to the term. Race, creed, gender, etc, doesn't matter. If we're going to enter into this discussion and actually try to fix the problem, then we need to actually fix the problem. That is, we as a community do the intellectually honest thing, and we deem all derogatory, hateful statements, as being 'wrong'.
Alas, I don't think this community is up for the task. Few communities on earth would be able to, as a whole, practice complete understanding and respect for one another. But any alternative to this, will either be hypocritical or intellectually dishonest in its implementation.
Simple solution:
Unban Farmer Nate and SpookIsland and use them to set the bar in terms of insults. Anyone that manages to be more offensive than them gets the ban-hammer.
Dexx, all of your replies must now contain a patrick GIF.
it's a better situation than unfairly determining which groups get represented based on some arbitrary notion of "privilege" and past plight, literally discriminating against other groups in the process.
What about the Irish and Italian immigrants who were basically enslaved by mining companies?
What about the Irish and Italian immigrants who were basically enslaved by mining companies?
I noticed while I was playing I could see admin reports and got confused. When I hit esc I saw administrator panel. No one had said anything to me, so I assumed it was a mistake. What else could I do? I announced in pink text that homophobia and misogyny would now be treated the same as racism. So that started a barrage of homophobic slurs in chat. I warned people, then I kicked a few, then I announced that I would be upgrading them to bans. So the first few started out at 15 minutes, then I had to go to 1 hour for people to get the point. Apparently shik hadn't told anyone else he was making me admin, so Canary banned me for 300 days for exploiting. I was then unbanned and made an admin again because unknown to me shik had also said in the admin forum that they were going to start being tougher on homophobia/racism/misogyny. Then they took shik out of lead dev position and took away my admin again overnight.
One more time: they took away his post because he suggested that people shouldn't be using homophobic slurs, that they should be bannable like the n word. I fucking hate this community so much.
LOL partyboy had admin?yes he did and based off that quote that smooth had he definitely is a powertripper
WOW!
Christians?
Privilege: the thread
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Good admins stick to their guns and don't take exceptions for their friends.
At least Partyboy was enforcing rules without bias. Anyone who said my old friend___ got kicked, muted, warned or banned. Doesn't matter who his friends are, what teamspeak he was in or his strat affiliations. In my mind, that was a step in the right direction. He also followed up on everything he said he would do. He escalated punishments, like he promised to do. Good admins stick to their guns and don't take exceptions for their friends.
Good admins realize when they're wrong and change, bad admins stick to their guns well past wrong.<3