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Title: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 20, 2012, 06:48:53 am
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=1857

Remnants are attacking us at Sungetche castle.

So apparently they left Halmar area and are trying to work with FCC to relocate to the Steppe. 
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 20, 2012, 06:49:40 am
All that bullshit about not running from us, eh? poor show remnant
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: arowaine on December 20, 2012, 06:51:35 am
:(
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Aztek on December 20, 2012, 07:54:11 am
Bigger faction with lots of allies picking on smaller faction with very little ally support.. and while there down to boot.. who would have thunk it!?

But my self pity aside, We will not go down with out a fight, that is one thing you can always count on.. regardless if were chiselled down to our bare knuckles and no one beside us we will still try. See you lads tomorrow night, if you take our castle you will have earned it. If not we will see you another day I'm sure.

Good luck to all!  :)
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 20, 2012, 08:02:20 am
We're working with Tkov to relocate hahaha.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tanken on December 20, 2012, 09:34:16 am
Hospitallers will have my Sword through the war! Since Remnants decided to drop me from their roster against VE earlier, bastards.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Taser on December 20, 2012, 09:37:32 am
Hospitallers will have my Sword through the war! Since Remnants decided to drop me from their roster against VE earlier, bastards.

I remember that. You said "I hate you all."
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: kinngrimm on December 20, 2012, 10:17:18 am
so i take it FCC still wont fight TkoV even if their close friends(?) Remnants got attacked, instead it goes by plan.
... the last chance for freedom failed ... FailCC

devide and conquer
- community
- map
- enemies

was it all just a smoke&mirrow action?

and what are Hopitallers&friends(?) doing? Fighting in their own territory? Defending instead of conquering, at some point you need to get down from your walls and counter attack or the waves of incoming forces will never stop.


(just a bit heating up the game hear  :oops: )
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Matey on December 20, 2012, 10:29:10 am
so i take it FCC still wont fight TkoV even if their close friends(?) Remnants got attacked, instead it goes by plan.
... the last chance for freedom failed ... FailCC

devide and conquer
- community
- map
- enemies

was it all just a smoke&mirrow action?

and what are Hopitallers&friends(?) doing? Fighting in their own territory? Defending instead of conquering, at some point you need to get down from your walls and counter attack or the waves of incoming forces will never stop.


(just a bit heating up the game hear  :oops: )

go worry about EU.
And clearly it would make tons of sense for FCC to attack VE while the majority of our forces are currently engaged in hosp lands >.> cause y'know even ignoring every other factor... it would totally make sense for us to fight VE on one side and hosp on the other.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: kinngrimm on December 20, 2012, 10:39:46 am
go worry about EU.
And clearly it would make tons of sense for FCC to attack VE while the majority of our forces are currently engaged in hosp lands >.> cause y'know even ignoring every other factor... it would totally make sense for us to fight VE on one side and hosp on the other.
Indeed i totally agree with you, it wouldn't make any other sense as the way you do it already!
So the way you do it allows then some conclusions, you know like FCC and TkoV will also in the future stay out of each others way .. as it wouldn't make any sense ^^.

In any other wargame, i could never take the majority of my forces to only one far away place without having major diplomatic connections to my surrounding parties, which is not the way you like to be seen framed in the overall discourse here on the forums. The way you want to be seen is the singled out lonesome hero taking on the big guys. But you aren't David, you may not be Goliath either but you are definetly no David.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Matey on December 20, 2012, 12:51:39 pm
like i said. worry about EU. you keep talking like you understand how things are on NA, but you really don't. Either that or you are just doing a really shitty and obvious job of trying to pressure us into doing something retarded.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Keshian on December 20, 2012, 01:50:43 pm

In any other wargame, i could never take the majority of my forces to only one far away place without having major diplomatic connections to my surrounding parties, which is not the way you like to be seen framed in the overall discourse here on the forums. The way you want to be seen is the singled out lonesome hero taking on the big guys.


1.  majority???  You should check out our fiefs sometime.  We have 10,000 troops heavily armed on our border.  No one attacked us because it would have been suicide - not because we are buddy buddy with all our neighbors.  Its why we have been heavily outnumbered 2:1 in Hosp lands - we killed 8500 of them so far and they still had over 12K in their fiefs with a few wandering armies including aderyn's 1600 heavily armed.  If we felt safe to leave our borders unprotected this war would have been a LOT quicker as we would have had only slightly fewer numbers and could have risked assaulting cities and castles instead of doing a war of attrition by stealing almost 30K S&D and taking only 2 villages since we have been here.

2.  We found out about the Remnant decision to attack Hospitallers roughly around the same time you did - when the battle popped up on the battle roster.

3.  A sign of weakness will just bring in more attackers.  If hospitallers had thrown us out using superior numbers - yeah they would have lost a lot of troops but no one would have attacked them because it would have scared off others from attacking solo - but we have been wandering around their lands for over 2 weeks now with only rare attacks, which let other factions know Hosps were vulnerable - I know other factions are already considering attacking them mostly because they seem like free fiefs at this point or free S&D.  Its not some grand conspiracy - just practical sense.  If an equivalent sized army had invaded our lands we would have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at them and crushed them as utterly as we could, which would deter future attackers from joining those attackers.

4.  You really really don't get what is going on because you only hear half the story from the people you trade with - i know you haven't talked to us or Remnant or many other factions that would actually give a clear picture allowing you to speculate properly.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: BaleOhay on December 20, 2012, 02:14:26 pm
Not that it matters but Remnant is doing this on their own. The remnant strategy is beyond my comprehension but that is just how it goes.

FCC has a war. We also have hero party attacking bird clan again to deal with. Pretty sure we have enough on our plates for the moment.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Peppovitch on December 20, 2012, 03:49:55 pm
If we had 12k armed troops as described we may have been able to do things a bit differently.  It would have been great to use superior forces to push them back or possibly even mount a counter attack, but the fact remains that we were still reeling from previous wars and just beginning to run regular trades again.  By the time FCC and Fallen jumped on the bandwagon,  our armies were just starting to see basic armaments and minimal upkeep.  Proof of this is seen in our battles where we have had to fight with minimal gear.  The majority of which has been broken from previous battles.

We were not some giant hulking war machine when FCC walked in and with lack of mercs or allies, It has become a very difficult fight.  Now with Remnant jumping in, things have really hit the fan.

Strategus tends to play out like Risk, so it is understandable that others will come and prey on an already weakened faction.  With the current mechanics and map size, there is little incentive to risk everything on a war with a like sized faction.  This is fine as it is part of the game, but it is a stretch to say that the two sides are on equal footing.

Even so, we will use these battles to have a good time and get some awesome XP.  We will fight to the bitter end if we must and go down as gracefully as possible.

Thanks to those who have supported us thus far with mercs or trade.  You guys have really been a God send to us at times.  I just wish we had better stuff for you all to fight with!  :lol:
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: kinngrimm on December 20, 2012, 06:28:00 pm
like i said. worry about EU. you keep talking like you understand how things are on NA, but you really don't. Either that or you are just doing a really shitty and obvious job of trying to pressure us into doing something retarded.
well i am wondering about things not pressuring you into anything, not like i said "worry about TkoV and attack them, don't you dare form an opinion about EU ^^", it was more in the sense that there has never been a hostile move between your factions, which is ok too. Don't get me wrong, having a stable trading partner is a nice thing to have, whereby i assume with the New TkoV holdings in the Desert they may consider to make majorly internal trades.

1.  majority???
that wasn't actual my statement
...while the majority of our forces are currently engaged in hosp lands...

... You should check out our fiefs sometime.  We have 10,000 troops heavily armed on our border.  No one attacked us because it would have been suicide
true that, i missed out on that

4.  You really really don't get what is going on because you only hear half the story from the people you trade with - i know you haven't talked to us or Remnant or many other factions that would actually give a clear picture allowing you to speculate properly.
that's why i engage here as i don't know about everything and yes i do trade with those close to EU border but also with others, the NA trade is not the biggest income source of CFA but a stable one. Those in NA i do trade with know that i also trade with others in NA and they are aware that i don't make any differences with whom i trade in NA. If at some point Hospitallers would be taken out i intend to make trade with whomever would followed them, till then i still make trade with them nothing nasty about that, same as FCC/TkoV trade as we established in an earlier discussion.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 20, 2012, 08:25:59 pm
Not that it matters but Remnant is doing this on their own. The remnant strategy is beyond my comprehension but that is just how it goes.

FCC has a war. We also have hero party attacking bird clan again to deal with. Pretty sure we have enough on our plates for the moment.

Mouth breather.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Havoco on December 20, 2012, 08:50:56 pm
just practical sense.

Why Strategus gets boring tbh
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Keshian on December 20, 2012, 11:05:22 pm
It would have been great to use superior forces to push them back or possibly even mount a counter attack, but the fact remains that we were still reeling from previous wars and just beginning to run regular trades again.  By the time FCC and Fallen jumped on the bandwagon,  our armies were just starting to see basic armaments and minimal upkeep.   Proof of this is seen in our battles where we have had to fight with minimal gear.   The majority of which has been broken from previous battles.


First - we waited an entire month after your peace treaty with VE - you recruited thousands of troops in that time and did regular trade runs with EU.  Trying to pretend the 60-man faction of Hospitallers did not have time to prepare is laughable.

Second - you have had equivalent gear in almost every single fight we have had - often with more troops. I know its not the plate armor you would want, but its certainly not "basic" or "minimal".

Third, its not our fault you wasted the last month of peace if you really are not that prepared - we also spent a LOT of gear and troops fighting KUTT during that same time.  We spent that month recovering as well (maybe we just revved up our war machine faster??  helps that we dont need elite armor or weapons to fight in strat (simple swords for the win!!))
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Mae. on December 20, 2012, 11:41:31 pm
about the war with TKoV, they went through closed borders and tried to bully by and say retreat and we wont start a war.. well youre asking a bunch of meat filled testosterone breathing dudes to set aside pride because youre "bigger" than them (in numbers..), l o l. anywho, hospitaller i honestly like over half of you, but.. nothing personal you just have a sexy camp site set up :/ we've planned this "move" for quite some time, TKoV should actually know this.. had you clicked on any of those fiefs we previously owned, they've had no armies in them for a few months. speculate all you want, but the only facts we all have thus far, TKoV lost over 1k troops and X amount of gold fighting peasants. GG so far
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: oprah_winfrey on December 20, 2012, 11:44:31 pm
I heard that the loin cloth cudgel is going to be the new kuyak greatsword.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Kirbyy on December 21, 2012, 12:01:49 am
Why do I continually see Remnant picking up scraps?
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 21, 2012, 12:19:36 am
You can say what you want, but fact is, the moment we threatened war, all your troops were pulled out of your fiefs. Up till then, there had always been 3k in Unuzdaq and 3k in Halmarr. I just find it funny that remnant talks so much shit despite not ever actually doing anything of note in strat. First you guys picked up the scraps that the FCC left you with KUTT, now you go to attack a faction that has already been beat down by us, NH, and now the FCC. If you guys are so pro, why cant you fight your own battles? Yes, we lost too much in the Halmarr fight, i wasn't there so i cant say what went wrong, but shit happens, its one fight out of the 120 or so we have initiated this strat. The only thing you can brag about is how good you guys are in the battle servers, which isn't much of an accomplishment since id imagine most clans dont play seriously in pub servers. Hell, maybe you guys will prove me wrong in this upcoming siege, but i doubt it.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: dynamike on December 21, 2012, 12:47:05 am
Yo, if Hosps would now attack the tail end of the TKoV fiefs in the desert we would have a sweet ring around the rosie going between Remnants, Hosps and TKoV with fief trades all over the place.

Or see it as musical chairs. Another independent clan might go in and take a fief at a time away and when the music ends those three shithead clans are left with one less each time.


I agree with a lot of resentment in this thread and Remnants generally suck. Now shut up like the good nerds we all are and enjoy the battles - been long enough in the making!


Btw: stopped reading Kinngrimms posts. Probably not alone in that.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Boss_Awesome on December 21, 2012, 01:00:47 am


Btw: stopped reading Kinngrimms posts. Probably not alone in that.

Good move.  Nothing more dangerous than a clueless traitor.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Aztek on December 21, 2012, 01:43:15 am
To Kesh,

I just wanted to point a few things out

-First, check the faction page for how many members are in Hospitaller, regarding strat we are at 41 last I checked, less than remnant with 43. and even at 41 that is a long shot, personally I would have removed 6 or 7 on top of that as they haven't contributed in months, but were hopeful they will eventually come back.

-We did not have a month to make millions and gear up with elite gear, Not sure if you noticed but we were in lock down, Sure we had a few EU caravans but I promise you that was not much, Not near the open playing ground other factions in NA had, where they could make easy runs with no resistance or threat of attack.

-I don't know FCC's stats regarding what they lost with the KUTT war but I thought it was understood by all that there was very little resistance and thus not much lost, Where as the VE obviously did a lot of damage to our structure. I don't know if its because others think Hospitallers are still this 70+ man faction with active players and secret hidden alliances, But I assure you we are not.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sauce on December 21, 2012, 02:02:02 am
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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tanken on December 21, 2012, 02:04:55 am
Ooooo damnnnn, burrrnn.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Artyem on December 21, 2012, 02:09:47 am
So, this is Remnant's reaction to being attacked?  Abandoning post, leaving all of their fiefs below the tundra unguarded and open for attack?  I guess instead of fighting back they'll just try to relocate their home to the Steppe, kind of weak if you ask me.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sauce on December 21, 2012, 02:14:39 am
Holy fuck. Just wipe the fucking cheeto dust off your keyboards and enjoy a battle.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Taser on December 21, 2012, 02:19:15 am
Holy fuck. Just wipe the fucking cheeto dust off your keyboards and enjoy a battle.

No. Cheeto dust is essential to PC gaming.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 02:29:22 am
You can say what you want, but fact is, the moment we threatened war, all your troops were pulled out of your fiefs. Up till then, there had always been 3k in Unuzdaq and 3k in Halmarr. I just find it funny that remnant talks so much shit despite not ever actually doing anything of note in strat. First you guys picked up the scraps that the FCC left you with KUTT, now you go to attack a faction that has already been beat down by us, NH, and now the FCC. If you guys are so pro, why cant you fight your own battles? Yes, we lost too much in the Halmarr fight, i wasn't there so i cant say what went wrong, but shit happens, its one fight out of the 120 or so we have initiated this strat. The only thing you can brag about is how good you guys are in the battle servers, which isn't much of an accomplishment since id imagine most clans dont play seriously in pub servers. Hell, maybe you guys will prove me wrong in this upcoming siege, but i doubt it.

As Mae said, we we're planning to move for quite some time. With our members becoming more and more inactive we did not want to get spread to thin. This was planned way before anything involving you guys.  And how did we pick up FCC's scaps? We provided nearly as many troops and resources as them and merc'd for them plenty of times. Not only to we prove ourselves in pub servers (which we don't really try either cause we play for fun) but I'm pretty sure we have proven ourselves in strat battles too.

why cant you fight your own battles?

Well lets see here. In the first big strat war where KUTT and Hospi were super powers, hero party was essentially the only ones going toe to toe with Hospitaller and Chevaliers. Then you came in and allied with Hero Party and as one could say "pick up the scraps" perhaps?

Also remember that time that you guys tried paying three separate clans to attack us before the war even started? Ya know, Chevalier, Occitan, and Hero Party? All of them Denying you, and them coming to us telling you what you were trying to do. And you say we don't start our own wars? I believe we threw the first punch in the war attack your caravan if I'm not mistaken. (Which was out of boredem, nothing personal against VE, just getting sick of rumors of you wanting to attack us and not attacking us on your own and what not.) I mean It's not like you have four times as many members as us, more fiefs then us (even before you attacked) and twice and many resources. But ya I guess you wouldn't want to get your hands dirty or anything.

Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 21, 2012, 02:46:39 am
Don't want to get involved in this argument but I'd probably say TkoV and MB are better than Remnants players overall so I don't see why you guys keep bringing player skill into the mix.

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 02:50:49 am
Don't want to get involved in this argument but I'd probably say TkoV and MB are better than Remnants players overall so I don't see why you guys keep bringing player skill into the mix.

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I didn't bring it up until they brought it up with us "bragging". Which if you are talking about when we say "gg or gf" thats just a joke, which I guess people don't know how to take. And I woudnt say anyone is better. We are pretty equal ground skill wise.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Boss_Awesome on December 21, 2012, 02:56:40 am
Not to offend you HoC guys.. but I think you know that you aren't 2handed heroes and prefer to work as a group for better or worse.

Working well as a group is both a force multiplier and a difficult skill in and of itself.  I'd happily sign up HoC guys for any of my battles.  Much more valuable than the ticket wasting heroes who run off to fight and can't seem to listen to orders.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 21, 2012, 03:04:15 am
I have to ask, where the hell are you guys getting your information? We never once went to Chevalier or Hero party trying to get them to attack you. We offered Occitan a few of your fiefs because they were trying to come back to NA and we wanted to support that, but only after we took them ourselves. Someone has been lying out of their ass to you though, because we have hardly talked to hero party since the hospi war. Why the hell would we try to get Chevaliers to attack you while we were in the process of wiping them out? It just makes no sense. Tom says we tried to get 3 clans to attack you, Sauce says 2, can you guys get your information straight before posting? As to us "picking up the scraps" in the hospi war, i believe hero party fought what, 2-3 battles with hospi before we joined in? And even those were just caravan battles. We did the majority of the heavy lifting during that war, along with NH. Saying otherwise is just bullshit. Yes, you did throw the first punch, which is why its so odd to see you guys running from us with your tail between your legs.

And as to the bragging, i was referring to noodles post in your faction thread.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 03:05:11 am
Working well as a group is both a force multiplier and a difficult skill in and of itself.  I'd happily sign up HoC guys for any of my battles.  Much more valuable than the ticket wasting heroes who run off to fight and can't seem to listen to orders.

Please tell me when we run out style any more then any else and "waste tickets".
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 03:19:03 am
I have to ask, where the hell are you guys getting your information? We never once went to Chevalier or Hero party trying to get them to attack you. We offered Occitan a few of your fiefs because they were trying to come back to NA and we wanted to support that, but only after we took them ourselves. Someone has been lying out of their ass to you though, because we have hardly talked to hero party since the hospi war. Why the hell would we try to get Chevaliers to attack you while we were in the process of wiping them out? It just makes no sense. Tom says we tried to get 3 clans to attack you, Sauce says 2, can you guys get your information straight before posting? As to us "picking up the scraps" in the hospi war, i believe hero party fought what, 2-3 battles with hospi before we joined in? And even those were just caravan battles. We did the majority of the heavy lifting during that war, along with NH. Saying otherwise is just bullshit. Yes, you did throw the first punch, which is why its so odd to see you guys running from us with your tail between your legs.


With the Chevs it was not when you guys we're at war. This was way earlier when they we're a power. As for Hero Party, we talked to Smoothrich. As for Occitan, Arrowaine came to our ts himself and told us. As for the running away you insist and keeping alive, we have been moving out way before the war. Just because you see Sauce moving out when doenst mean we are running. Everyone else, including myself had been moved out of there weeks before you're attack. Sauce we the last one because he had to fiefs to run between and had the most stuff to evacuate. Keep saying we are running but this has been our relocation plan for quite some time now.


And as to the bragging, i was referring to noodles post in your faction thread.

Oh you mean when you posted in our forums talking shit, saying yet again we are running and "scared" and then he replied with this?
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So if by "shit talking" you mean he was retaliating to your comment, then ya, I guess noodles is a big meany.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Mae. on December 21, 2012, 03:22:29 am
^ burn.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 21, 2012, 03:23:34 am
No reason to take things personally I say.  It's just a game at the end of the day.

I can understand why Remnant is doing what they're doing, I think of this game like Risk.  The steppe is a nice location, it's pretty fortified with natural boundaries, and has easy access to EU lands.  We were really weakened after the initial war in our lands, and we don't have the active members to have controlled as much territory was we were initially claiming.  The downfall is that you're in a lot of people's cross-hairs (tactically/strategically, not even bringing up reputation).  FCC has left their far eastern castles and city and towns relatively unguarded and have spearheaded their forces to their western fiefs and sending out armies to our lands.

Nothing any factions are doing is really surprising to me at all, nor do I think it's shady or underhanded...the reality is what the reality is.  Everyone's going to do what's in their best interests.

I just wish Strategus rewarded mechanics with more incentive for people to attack larger factions (or try to carve out a small piece of territory).  There's quite a few fief-less factions, and there's quite a few small fief owning factions.  These guys really don't have any incentive to try and expand or attack their neighbors because there's way more risk than potential payoff/reward for doing so.

For the most part battle lines are drawn as far as mercenaries go.  If a small clan tried to attack FCC they would risk alienating their potential mercs for their battles by not only losing FCC, but losing Remnant and any other factions that FCC has influence on.  Just as if Astralis were to have attack LLJK (then Bird clan's) castle in the desert they would likely have not only had a hard time filling their roster, they very likely could have wound up having other faction's jump in with material resources (armies) and come and wiped them out.

I'd like to see more incentive for people fighting battles in strategus (both the factions having some incentive for trying to take a fief as well as personal incentive for people to merc in those battles).  Maybe getting c-rpg gold for fighting strat battles, or getting even more XP than now?  Or maybe allowing people to transfer strat gold to c-rpg gold (without having to sell it)?  I think you'd get more mercs and more people creating characters on the strat map. 

Strat's not perfect, there shouldn't be any hard feelings when someone does something that's in their best interests and potentially fucks over another...but at the same time, maybe we can get some more of these factions who are sitting idle on the map to pull up their skirts and start trying to fight some battles and take over some fiefs.  It's a war game after all, let's fight some battles (you won't lose any sleep if you end up losing a fief because you were too aggressive, and if you do,  you should probably take a breather anyways).

**Now a little bit more propaganda**
FCC really doesn't have the numbers to hold the fiefs that they currently control.  The main saving grace they have is the small factions in the tundra who owe their fief ownership to FCC, and some more medium sized factions that don't really have anything to gain by attacking/taking FCC Eastern fiefs which are basically unguarded.  But it would be awesome if someone decided to try and take some FCC territory while they were away nation building with Remnant.  Yes you might incur a large mercenary wrath against you, or potentially risk having them try to wipe you out (I think other factions would potentially stop that), but it's a war game, let's see some more fighting over fiefs...it's not like you actually own these lands...these are pixels on a computer screen.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 03:28:59 am
No reason to take things personally I say.  It's just a game at the end of the day.

I can understand why Remnant is doing what they're doing, I think of this game like Risk.  The steppe is a nice location, it's pretty fortified with natural boundaries, and has easy access to EU lands.  The downfall is that you're in a lot of people's cross-hairs (tactically/strategically, not even bringing up reputation).  FCC has left their far eastern castles and city and towns relatively unguarded and have spearheaded their forces to their western fiefs and sending out armies to our lands.

Nothing any factions are doing is really surprising to me at all, nor do I think it's shady or underhanded...the reality is what the reality is.  Everyone's going to do what's in their best interests.

I just wish Strategus rewarded mechanics with more incentive for people to attack larger factions (or try to carve out a small piece of territory).  There's quite a few fief-less factions, and there's quite a few small fief owning factions.  These guys really don't have any incentive to try and expand or attack their neighbors because there's way more risk than potential payoff/reward for doing so.

For the most part battle lines are drawn as far as mercenaries go.  If a small clan tried to attack FCC they would risk alienating their potential mercs for their battles by not only losing FCC, but losing Remnant and any other factions that FCC has influence on.  Just as if Astralis were to have attack LLJK (then Bird clan's) castle in the desert they would likely have not only had a hard time filling their roster, they very likely could have wound up having other faction's jump in with material resources (armies) and come and wiped them out.

I'd like to see more incentive for people fighting battles in strategus (both the factions having some incentive for trying to take a fief as well as personal incentive for people to merc in those battles).  Maybe getting c-rpg gold for fighting strat battles, or getting even more XP than now?  Or maybe allowing people to transfer strat gold to c-rpg gold (without having to sell it)?  I think you'd get more mercs and more people creating characters on the strat map. 

Strat's not perfect, there shouldn't be any hard feelings when someone does something that's in their best interests and potentially fucks over another...but at the same time, maybe we can get some more of these factions who are sitting idle on the map to pull up their skirts and start trying to fight some battles and take over some fiefs.  It's a war game after all, let's fight some battles (you won't lose any sleep if you end up losing a fief because you were too aggressive, and if you do,  you should probably take a breather anyways).

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With our, idk, 12 active member we actually have participating in strat. We did not want to get spread to thin. With our original lands we looked like the fucking Berlin Wall cutting through the entire middle of the map. Too much land to cover with our little numbers. Again part of our relocation, but apparently thats us running away.

We play strat purely for fun. We were bored of everyone sitting on their asses just building up defenses like the Apocalypse is coming. The only real people that I can remember making any moves in was FCC attacking Hospitaller. I remember one little border dispute between you (NH) and Hero Party, but that wasnt really a full out war.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 21, 2012, 03:34:41 am
I completely understand, and I've known this was very possible since the fiefs have been controlled on day 1.  It's not hard to envision different scenarios based purely on land ownership (not even taking into account diplomacy).

But at the same time, you haven't relocated yet.  You still have some battles on your hands.  So as a wiser man once so eloquently put it "Bring it on and get fucked nerds"

Completely unrelated, Mason did you used to play CS:CZ?
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 03:41:50 am
I completely understand, and I've known this was very possible since the fiefs have been controlled on day 1.  It's not hard to envision different scenarios based purely on land ownership (not even taking into account diplomacy).

But at the same time, you haven't relocated yet.  You still have some battles on your hands.  So as a wiser man once so eloquently put it "Bring it on and get fucked nerds"

Completely unrelated, Mason did you used to play CS:CZ?

K well first off, idk how you know my name XD. Second is that counter strike? lol
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 21, 2012, 03:49:46 am
With the Chevs it was not when you guys we're at war. This was way earlier when they we're a power. As for Hero Party, we talked to Smoothrich. As for Occitan, Arrowaine came to our ts himself and told us. As for the running away you insist and keeping alive, we have been moving out way before the war. Just because you see Sauce moving out when doenst mean we are running. Everyone else, including myself had been moved out of there weeks before you're attack. Sauce we the last one because he had to fiefs to run between and had the most stuff to evacuate. Keep saying we are running but this has been our relocation plan for quite some time now.

Oh you mean when you posted in our forums talking shit, saying yet again we are running and "scared" and then he replied with this?
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So if by "shit talking" you mean he was retaliating to your comment, then ya, I guess noodles is a big meany.

Again, this makes no sense. We attacked chevaliers RIGHT after we made peace with hospi, i think we waited a week or so, so we could prepare, but there was no "way earlier" for us to talk to them about attacking you. I am literally talking to smooth as i type this post, and hes saying otherwise. We were getting bored as well, we were literally days away from attacking you guys when you attacked our caravan. We were looking forward to fighting a fun war, and the fact that you guys just straight up lied talking about how you were on your way to attack us, how this war would have a bunch of fun battles, hell i even talked to you tom, and again you just lied to my face. Im sure you can understand why we are more then annoyed at this.

Also, i think huseby knows your name because your forum profile name is "mmason94".....
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tanken on December 21, 2012, 03:50:13 am
K well first off, idk how you know my name XD. Second is that counter strike? lol


.......It's in your Forum Username........
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 21, 2012, 04:07:29 am

.......It's in your Forum Username........

Also, i think huseby knows your name because your forum profile name is "mmason94".....

/sarcasm  :rolleyes:

In other news, What small factions are on strat?
DL (3)
Ildist group (4)
FPF (11)
Tuetonic (18)
Bird (10)
Kutt Remnants (22?)
HG (?)
Fidlgb (4)
Frisia (13)
SWF (8)
Jabonra(thought part of HP?) (3)
CHevalier (18)
Malta (13)

Holding a whopping 23 fiefs.(Bird fiefs being lost so this number is liable to go down.
Everyone else has the remaining...i think 100 fiefs it is.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 04:09:58 am
Again, this makes no sense. We attacked chevaliers RIGHT after we made peace with hospi, i think we waited a week or so, so we could prepare, but there was no "way earlier" for us to talk to them about attacking you. I am literally talking to smooth as i type this post, and hes saying otherwise. We were getting bored as well, we were literally days away from attacking you guys when you attacked our caravan. We were looking forward to fighting a fun war, and the fact that you guys just straight up lied talking about how you were on your way to attack us, how this war would have a bunch of fun battles, hell i even talked to you tom, and again you just lied to my face. Im sure you can understand why we are more then annoyed at this.


Well when we talk to smooth and he says otherwise we cant really say who is right. As well as Arrowaine when he came directly to our ts. You asked me if we we're going to war and I said yes, never said we we're going to attack you. If we we're attacking you, why would we tell you out plans?
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 04:17:10 am

.......It's in your Forum Username........
Also, i think huseby knows your name because your forum profile name is "mmason94".....

YA I FIGURED IT OUT lol
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: SHinOCk on December 21, 2012, 04:37:19 am
/sarcasm  :rolleyes:

In other news, What small factions are on strat?
DL (3)
Ildist group (4)
FPF (11)
Tuetonic (18)
Bird (10)
Kutt Remnants (22?)
HG (?)
Fidlgb (4)
Frisia (13)
SWF (8)
Jabonra(thought part of HP?) (3)
CHevalier (18)
Malta (13)

Holding a whopping 23 fiefs.(Bird fiefs being lost so this number is liable to go down.
Everyone else has the remaining...i think 100 fiefs it is.

You cant really base yourself on the ladder page to know the actual size of a strat faction, take Occitan as an example, we don't clean our member list that often and while it says we have 50+ members, we have at most 15 members online during prime time and as for strat, we probably don't have more than 20 members that are contributing to it with trades and shit and even less when it comes to apply for a battle which makes us more a medium faction than a big one.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Kelugarn on December 21, 2012, 05:30:26 am
You cant really base yourself on the ladder page to know the actual size of a strat faction, take Occitan as an example, we don't clean our member list that often and while it says we have 50+ members, we have at most 15 members online during prime time and as for strat, we probably don't have more than 20 members that are contributing to it with trades and shit and even less when it comes to apply for a battle which makes us more a medium faction than a big one.

Agreed, pure roster numbers don't really reflect the reality of strat. For example in strat FPF is actually just a front for a coalition of over 67 independent players.
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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Artyem on December 21, 2012, 05:55:26 am
There's exactly six completely active members in my clan, and that's enough for me.  The power of a clan isn't really based off of how many members they have, more or so how many fiefs they have and how skilled their leader(s) are tactically and strategically.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 21, 2012, 06:22:11 am
Good job on the castle siege Remnants.  I'm not happy we didn't hold the walls and especially the last gate house, but I think the biggest thing that tacked on to it was the spawn time.  I'm very happy with the organization we had and the people who signed up to fight for us.  Being able to have 5 different battalions working as a piece in the great unit was impressive.

Congrats on taking Sungetche, I will look forward to trying to retake my home land in the future.  You should probably kill off the population because they are loyal to the one true God!
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Aztek on December 21, 2012, 06:25:32 am
Agreed, Minus the lag it was a nice battle. I gave up on trying to swing through the lag so I just went on Kamikaze Attacks taking out ladders with you guys on it.. Not good for a KDR but still took a bunch out :)

See ya on the next one!
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 21, 2012, 06:26:30 am
Good job on the castle siege Remnants.  I'm not happy we didn't hold the walls and especially the last gate house, but I think the biggest thing that tacked on to it was the spawn time.  I'm very happy with the organization we had and the people who signed up to fight for us.  Being able to have 5 different battalions working as a piece in the great unit was impressive.

Congrats on taking Sungetche, I will look forward to trying to retake my home land in the future.  You should probably kill off the population because they are loyal to the one true God!

I love sieges. Fucking chaotic. We need to improve our engineers :P

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Kirbyy on December 21, 2012, 06:28:54 am
God damn finals and level 16 handicap...
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 21, 2012, 06:34:49 am
The lag was insane, basically unplayable at the end... congrats on the castle though. That battle pushed me to level 34 so im happy  :D
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Dach on December 21, 2012, 06:41:20 am
I love sieges. Fucking chaotic. We need to improve our engineers :P

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Next time tell Sauce to go murder people in melee and let me work the catapult... he was fucking wanting to switch target every 30 sec so we never destroyed a wall entirely...

Also ladder engineer need better coordination with the catapult crew... putting ladder in the middle of my shooting lane doesn't help. Think we destroyed at least 4 or more of our own ladder.

Also we need catapult guard that don't sleep on duty!  :lol:

But also working a damn catapult on uneven ground if a fucking mess...

Still Good fight guys, wasn't an easy castle to take.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 21, 2012, 07:39:12 am
the fact that you guys just straight up lied talking about how you were on your way to attack us

I said we were on our way to attack you because I knew you were stupid enough to believe it.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Hobb on December 21, 2012, 08:45:19 am
I said we were on our way to attack you because I knew you were stupid enough to believe it.

unfortunatly chesty when 2 or 3 of your guys send a steam message to me telling me to disregard what you just said nearly everytime you post, your words dont have much meaning. still a good troll though.

@Remnant
We say you ran because here we are, and you are nowhere to be found. A matter of perspective of course, and your excuse is perfectly valid for all but one reason. We figured after you "tactically moved" up north that you were playing smart and making us bring the fight up north. Then you attack hospitaller and we thought you guys just were giving up and going balls out wasting your gear on the clan no one likes.

But no, this seems more planned, like you wanted this war with hospitaller for a long time now. You have no doubt confirmed this in the thread. So how do you defeat a clan that wont fight you because they would rather waste their pixels on another clan? I guess if we can't have our war, the only logical thing is to make you lose yours.

There is just one question I have left though, if you werer going to leave the area why attack a caravan on its border?

Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 21, 2012, 09:09:03 am
unfortunatly chesty when 2 or 3 of your guys send a steam message to me telling me to disregard what you just said nearly everytime you post, your words dont have much meaning. still a good troll though.

@Remnant
We say you ran because here we are, and you are nowhere to be found. A matter of perspective of course, and your excuse is perfectly valid for all but one reason. We figured after you "tactically moved" up north that you were playing smart and making us bring the fight up north. Then you attack hospitaller and we thought you guys just were giving up and going balls out wasting your gear on the clan no one likes.

But no, this seems more planned, like you wanted this war with hospitaller for a long time now. You have no doubt confirmed this in the thread. So how do you defeat a clan that wont fight you because they would rather waste their pixels on another clan? I guess if we can't have our war, the only logical thing is to make you lose yours.

There is just one question I have left though, if you werer going to leave the area why attack a caravan on its border?

I guess Visconti didn't get the message.

Did that caravan guy get back from EU yet? His horses were much appreciated in our big move. Thanks.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Hobb on December 21, 2012, 09:37:46 am
tradenis is safely in our territory, he found a liking to drzs rage quit leaving massive amounts of S&D for him. you got 80k worth of rounceys and lost 5 fiefs, while he got a free trip to EU making well over 400k and we got 5 new fiefs. a fair trade I guess?
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 21, 2012, 09:39:04 am
It wasnt so much that i believed your post chesty, i believed Ostulor's post. Its whatever though, we'll still have our war, the location has just changed. With that last siege, iv finally completed the build i planned out during strat 2, cant wait to test it out.

Also Dach... your avatar disturbs me.... yet i cant stop staring at it in horror
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sauce on December 21, 2012, 09:51:42 am
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Dach on December 21, 2012, 10:09:50 am
Also Dach... your avatar disturbs me.... yet i cant stop staring at it in horror

 8-) Try to imagine french kissing that!  :lol: :P
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 21, 2012, 10:12:49 am
8-) Try to imagine french kissing that!  :lol: :P

I really, REALLY dont want to
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: LordBerenger on December 21, 2012, 11:20:21 am
Good job on the castle siege Remnants.  I'm not happy we didn't hold the walls and especially the last gate house, but I think the biggest thing that tacked on to it was the spawn time.  I'm very happy with the organization we had and the people who signed up to fight for us.  Being able to have 5 different battalions working as a piece in the great unit was impressive.

Congrats on taking Sungetche, I will look forward to trying to retake my home land in the future.  You should probably kill off the population because they are loyal to the one true God!

You lost! And that's what happens when you unhire me!
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 21, 2012, 02:31:48 pm
You lost! And that's what happens when you unhire me!

no that's what happens when I restart my computer right before the battle and don't notice that my mic was muted (the physical button I had to press on the mic).  I was literally yelling at one point in the siege and I didn't realize until after it was over that my mic was muted.

Maybe it's egotistical, but I was saying a lot of tactical stuff to myself  :(
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: BaleOhay on December 21, 2012, 02:43:31 pm
i think your first error was not hiring Cyranule when he applied.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Keshian on December 21, 2012, 03:29:36 pm
I just want to call bullshit on Hospitallers trying to act like underdog - they now have 16,500 troops in their fiefs, in addition to the over 10K troops they have already lost in this war - thats 26,500 troops - we have never even come close to those numbers and we attacked them with only half our army (the rest is for homeguard as much as Hosps try to get people to attack us it would be kind of stupid).

Even with Remnant's armies attacking them they still outnumber the combined attacking armies of remnant and fcc.  Every battle they have had equal gear to us.  I know they prefer to fight in plate and consider anything less than plate armor as under-equipped therefore making them underdogs - but we always fight in what they call "minimal" gear.  That doesn't make us an underdog.  This is pretty much an equal fight - but we get better k/ds - which makes a big difference.

Also, every faction has the same trouble - we have  a lot of inactives too and a bunch of people without strat ticks - we are smaller than Hosps and Occitan with active membership - and there is no way Remnant has 43 people active at this point - maybe 15?? at best making them a small faction against your much larger faction where you can recruit almost 27K troops - obviously more active members with strat ticks than both fcc and remnant combined.  We have every active person recruiting troops and cant produce those kinds of numbers.

P.S. also, yeah Cyranule was trying to help you guys despite our objections.  Really dropped the ball on that one.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Emotion on December 21, 2012, 03:37:16 pm
So many mad nerds in this thread.

Once you take Strat too seriously... You will have nightmares every night and wet the bed. Ask KUTT.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 21, 2012, 04:46:06 pm
tradenis is safely in our territory, he found a liking to drzs rage quit leaving massive amounts of S&D for him. you got 80k worth of rounceys and lost 5 fiefs, while he got a free trip to EU making well over 400k and we got 5 new fiefs. a fair trade I guess?

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Artyem on December 21, 2012, 04:55:51 pm
Not to mention Sauce's idea of diplomacy is insulting people who try to be diplomatic, and then taunting people and trolling them in game.  Ahh yes, good times indeed.

You did a pretty good job at looking reckless, rogue and bold at first. But at the first sign of danger, you not only took off and basically handed over all of your fiefs to V.E, but you also decided to attack a weaker faction that's already under siege in hopes of getting a new home far away from those evil TKoV guys that you so daringly attacked in the first place.  And people are upset with FCC for attacking "underdogs".
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Emotion on December 21, 2012, 05:36:42 pm
Not to mention Sauce's idea of diplomacy is insulting people who try to be diplomatic, and then taunting people and trolling them in game.  Ahh yes, good times indeed.

You did a pretty good job at looking reckless, rogue and bold at first. But at the first sign of danger, you not only took off and basically handed over all of your fiefs to V.E, but you also decided to attack a weaker faction that's already under siege in hopes of getting a new home far away from those evil TKoV guys that you so daringly attacked in the first place.  And people are upset with FCC for attacking "underdogs".

Who are you?

and... You cannot take what Sauce always says to heart. He is honestly... probably the most honest, down to earth, charismatic, top model, sexiest person in Remnant. Hop off his nuts. Not his fault you have Chlamydia.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Artyem on December 21, 2012, 05:53:45 pm
Who are you?

Your worst nightmare.

and... You cannot take what Sauce always says to heart. He is honestly... probably the most honest, down to earth, charismatic, top model, sexiest person in Remnant. Hop off his nuts. Not his fault you have Chlamydia.

Reading comprehension is something you must lack.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 21, 2012, 05:59:51 pm
I just want to call bullshit on Hospitallers trying to act like underdog - they now have 16,500 troops in their fiefs, in addition to the over 10K troops they have already lost in this war - thats 26,500 troops - we have never even come close to those numbers and we attacked them with only half our army (the rest is for homeguard as much as Hosps try to get people to attack us it would be kind of stupid).

Even with Remnant's armies attacking them they still outnumber the combined attacking armies of remnant and fcc.  Every battle they have had equal gear to us.  I know they prefer to fight in plate and consider anything less than plate armor as under-equipped therefore making them underdogs - but we always fight in what they call "minimal" gear.  That doesn't make us an underdog.  This is pretty much an equal fight - but we get better k/ds - which makes a big difference.

Also, every faction has the same trouble - we have  a lot of inactives too and a bunch of people without strat ticks - we are smaller than Hosps and Occitan with active membership - and there is no way Remnant has 43 people active at this point - maybe 15?? at best making them a small faction against your much larger faction where you can recruit almost 27K troops - obviously more active members with strat ticks than both fcc and remnant combined.  We have every active person recruiting troops and cant produce those kinds of numbers.

P.S. also, yeah Cyranule was trying to help you guys despite our objections.  Really dropped the ball on that one.

It's not just raw troops, it's equipment for them too.  When you wiped KUTT you got all the gear from those battles plus what you brought.  You got their goods as well.  While you've been gathering up equipment, we've been spending equipment trying to repel invaders.  All these battles we lose (without re-attacking to stop your guys from taking the booty from the battle) allows you to keep gathering more gear.  It's a tough balancing act trying to not overextend yourselves and leave your fiefs even more vulnerable than they are versus trying to keep all the gear you guys bring to the steppe as presents for us.  I'm pushing for the latter, but so far have been unsuccessful.  I would have taken your approach and thrown everything at the invaders to not just repel them, but to take all their equipment they brought to fight us with.  My strategy would be, you may win this battle, but we'll have an army waiting to re-attack, and re-attack, and re-attack until we control all the gear that was used in those battles.

Also do you really think it would be smart for us to send most of our troops to repel the invaders?  It would leave us even more vulnerable for other factions to jump on board and try to take territory.

When it comes to your merc support and your influence on the map, you have a lot more support than we do.  You're eastern fiefs are defenseless and have been for over a month but nobodies coming to challenge your claims on them. 

And arguing about who's more of the underdog is fucking retarded...it's a war game, of course you want to better equipped, and have more troops than the enemy.

FUS also was signed up and asking to get in the battle, but when you have 100+ people signed up for a 51 spot roster, you have to pick and choose.  We're not going to take a merc who's part of a faction actively engaged with a war of aggression in our territory.  NO matter how good of a player he is, or how much we believe in his honor.  We had enough players to have an only level 30+ roster, and still had problems getting all our guys and all our friendly factions into the fight.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: LordBerenger on December 21, 2012, 06:13:38 pm
Who are you?

and... You cannot take what Sauce always says to heart. He is honestly... probably the most honest, down to earth, charismatic, top model, sexiest person in Remnant. Hop off his nuts. Not his fault you have Chlamydia.

I thought the sexiest person in Remnant was Noodles GG

Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Aztek on December 21, 2012, 06:14:20 pm
I just want to call bullshit on Hospitallers trying to act like underdog

Ok, So we have been masters of deception the whole time, and its time we come clean..

-We actually have 216,000 troops in the steepe, we just choose to hide them until the right moment.
-We DO NOT have lots of broken gear, and we definitely don't have a few decent weapons mixed with a mass amount of mediocre gear.
-We DO have many active players, on at all times during the day gaining us mass amounts of troops and gold.
-We have hundreds.. yes I said it, HUNDREDS of elite skilled players, who can get amazing KDR, We simply told them to act like average players with jobs and lives and not to come off as too "l33t" until the time is right, at which point they will be able to take out 100 men to their 1.. which is coming soon, we just haven't found that activate button, But it is around here somewhere.
-We have around 5.6 Million gold in a stockpile.. Can't tell you where but we got it, and soon we will have our full plate armies and our activate "l33t" button pushed.. AND our secret alliances will jump on anyone who came at us!

Doo bee doo bee doooooo.. Beware the Penguin!

lol, Now seriously... Go back to killing us, I think now most of our guys have realised we don't have the skill, time invested, gold or alliances to be on par with our counterparts, But what we do have is a great group of guys and girls who are taking this as fun battles and xp, and will hopefully be able to not take all the garbage personally, as it is just a game.

So please, and this is to everyone.. Assume what you will about Hospitaller, We have tried to clean up the ranks, and so far I think we have done a decent job, But please, PLEASE stop the garbage posts.

Good fight!, Thanks for the help!, Sorry we/you lost!, Can't wait for the next one!, etc etc.. those are the comments that we should be seeing.. Not F^#% you and your entire clan!

Now I know it will never stop.. But one could dream!

Good Fight Remnant! Was a good time :)
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sir_Mahtin on December 21, 2012, 06:20:00 pm
Seems like hospitallers are forever in war... I don't think they've had as much time as other larger factions to build up a proper army but have been doing a grand job with what they have.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Aztek on December 21, 2012, 06:47:58 pm
I would also like to point out that FCC, especially Bale has been very decent with these wars. I am simply talking about anyone who post's simply to add fuel to the fire.

Were loyal to our guys Bale, as you are to yours.. But I have an idea.

Lordark Vs Kesh!...  fight to the death! At least one of them will go quiet!

lol, yes just a Joke Lordark/Kesh.. a little drama is ok, But sometimes you guys do go a little overboard.  :wink:
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sauce on December 21, 2012, 10:29:47 pm
Not to mention Sauce's idea of diplomacy is insulting people who try to be diplomatic, and then taunting people and trolling them in game.  Ahh yes, good times indeed.

You did a pretty good job at looking reckless, rogue and bold at first. But at the first sign of danger, you not only took off and basically handed over all of your fiefs to V.E, but you also decided to attack a weaker faction that's already under siege in hopes of getting a new home far away from those evil TKoV guys that you so daringly attacked in the first place.  And people are upset with FCC for attacking "underdogs".

Take your diabetes medication and calm yourself sweet child.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tanken on December 21, 2012, 10:39:23 pm
Geeze, I thought it was bad when I got muted once--Kesh has been muted how many times now? This Diplomacy section is far too policed and dramatic anymore for my tastes.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Matey on December 22, 2012, 12:07:59 am
i dont even know what he got muted for this time. none of his recent posts seem bad.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Artyem on December 22, 2012, 12:17:48 am
Take your diabetes medication and calm yourself sweet child.

I'm all out of insulin though, although you probably don't know what that is  :cry:

Way to avoid the point though, you guys attack a faction and then run away when they come to fight you to go attack a faction that's pretty well getting slammed already.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: BaleOhay on December 22, 2012, 12:23:47 am
i dont even know what he got muted for this time. none of his recent posts seem bad.

Yeah i would be interested to know what he got muted for this time. he is paranoid... but sometimes they really are out to get him it seems. Wonder how we find out which post this time and who muted him.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sauce on December 22, 2012, 12:27:07 am
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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 22, 2012, 12:29:32 am
I'm all out of insulin though, although you probably don't know what that is  :cry:

Way to avoid the point though, you guys attack a faction and then run away when they come to fight you to go attack a faction that's pretty well getting slammed already.

It's just as easy to see it the other way. Tkov only decided to invade once we packed in the defense and headed north. It's no secret they are terrible on attack. They had to pay Cheveliers to pack up and leave the desert and got styled on by cudgels at Halmar.

Tkov pays for their land with gold. Remnant pays with blood.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Kirbyy on December 22, 2012, 12:33:15 am
You're a clan hiding under the skirts of the TAMDA, something I helped create. Why all the hostility here baby boy?

He's bringing up the point that you guys are contradicting your own actions... showing a slight hint of hipocracy.  I can see his point, and the fact that you're jumping up on the band wagon of attacking Hospitaller just to wipe them out on the map is ridiculous, the choices that Remnant is making, will only give FCC, and VE more land.  (After VE is done killing your weakened armies in the steppes.)
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Larry on December 22, 2012, 12:58:00 am
You're a clan hiding under the skirts of the TAMDA, something I helped create. Why all the hostility here baby boy?

Ladies, Gentlemen, and everyone inbetween, Behold. Sauce, being the eloquent shenanigan instigator of the remnant masturbators, has decided to make yet another completely pointless, and incredibly irrelevant change of subject. You see, in the clouded minds of the delusional, butt-mongering Hordes of the Underdarktm, one might find the workings of a devious, if rather childish, and dressed in black plate, hamster, running on a poorly greased wheel, squealing out it's thoughts on subject matter with which it has neither the intelligence, or maturity to judge. Little spiked, black stahlhelm bobbing up and down as it expresses it's outrage and inadequacy with short, thinly veiled, insulting, and immature comments, attempting to demean others, but in doing so only exposing it's own regret.


Forsooth - Larry The Magical Cheetah
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Emotion on December 22, 2012, 01:00:01 am
Ladies, Gentlemen, and everyone inbetween, Behold. Sauce, being the eloquent shenanigan instigator of the remnant masturbators, has decided to make yet another completely pointless, and incredibly irrelevant change of subject. You see, in the clouded minds of the delusional, butt-mongering Hordes of the Underdarktm, one might find the workings of a devious, if rather childish, and dressed in black plate, hamster, running on a poorly greased wheel, squealing out it's thoughts on subject matter with which it has neither the intelligence, or maturity to judge. Little spiked, black stahlhelm bobbing up and down as it expresses it's outrage and inadequacy with short, thinly veiled, insulting, and immature comments, attempting to demean others, but in doing so only exposing it's own regret.


Forsooth - Larry The Magical Cheetah

lol. \_
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 22, 2012, 01:00:37 am
Hey remnant dudes, I've got a question for you since all my information on the subject is hearsay, and shitty hearsay at that.

Did you guys initiate hostility towards VE or did they? I have to say, if you straight attacked VE, that was quite a silly decision. Hobb's fucking genius at strat imo, and they have a well-oiled machine over there. Nobody could fight them 1v1 except for FCC with all its resources dedicated to only that.

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Emotion on December 22, 2012, 01:07:32 am
A 125 manned trader with 100 crates or less went through our territory during closed borders bearing the TKoV banner.
Nothing to really steal or conquer in this attack.
Previous to this, they tried to get 3 other clans to attack us, promising them land and gold. (Chavaliers, Occitan, and Hero Party.) Maybe even more that haven't come to us.
So instead of truly contacting us they said... "Retreat or War"
So we continued and then went on with our plans that were in the works for over a month.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Ostulor on December 22, 2012, 01:07:56 am
One of them made the mistake of being in Chesty's line of sight, poor bastard.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 22, 2012, 01:11:09 am
A 125 manned trader with 100 crates or less went through our territory during closed borders bearing the TKoV banner.
Nothing to really steal or conquer in this attack.
Previous to this, they tried to get 3 other clans to attack us, promising them land and gold. (Chavaliers, Occitan, and Hero Party.) Maybe even more that haven't come to us.
So instead of truly contacting us they said... "Retreat or War"
So we continued and then went on with our plans that were in the works for over a month.

So, if I have the facts straight, they somewhat "provoked" you into a conflict by sending juicy unarmed traders into your territory, consciously or conveniently?
Fucking devious, man.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 22, 2012, 01:14:05 am
Hey remnant dudes, I've got a question for you since all my information on the subject is hearsay, and shitty hearsay at that.

Did you guys initiate hostility towards VE or did they? I have to say, if you straight attacked VE, that was quite a silly decision. Hobb's fucking genius at strat imo, and they have a well-oiled machine over there. Nobody could fight them 1v1 except for FCC with all its resources dedicated to only that.

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I attacked them. We knew they were planning to attack us and wanted to kick start things. Hobb drools when he talks because he doesn't know how to breath out his nose.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 22, 2012, 01:16:35 am
I attacked them. We knew they were planning to attack us and wanted to kick start things. Hobb drools when he talks because he doesn't know how to breath out his nose.

Makes sense that you went after the dude. If I was forced at gunpoint to point out the two people that I feel give the least fucks, it would be very close between a man that must smoke an ounce of herb a week with the handle "doo-doo brown" and you.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Kirbyy on December 22, 2012, 01:17:10 am
A 125 manned trader with 100 crates or less went through our territory during closed borders bearing the TKoV banner.
Nothing to really steal or conquer in this attack.
Previous to this, they tried to get 3 other clans to attack us, promising them land and gold. (Chavaliers, Occitan, and Hero Party.) Maybe even more that haven't come to us.
So instead of truly contacting us they said... "Retreat or War"
So we continued and then went on with our plans that were in the works for over a month.

You went to Chevalier and asked if you could attack our fief with no consequences... and they turned you down...
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Emotion on December 22, 2012, 01:24:09 am
Well no. we controlled the center of the map, I can completely understand their point of view. They were just trading. Chesty had a boner and was within his line of sight.

Their reasoning for war: (IMO) EXPANSION.
         We looked like a good target for some fun fights and they tried to get another clan involved on their side just so they didn't have to stress over it, or by some chance FCC attacked them and they had to fend them off. Honestly, I don't blame them. This is internet clicking wars, and clearly they are doing a good job. They want to win and we were their easiest target against their borders. Do you blame them? I don't. Truly.

         And for us "running" I can honestly tell you that this movement up NW was planned for a long time. We didn't think oh TKoV is coming we better run, because we're truly not like that, but think what you'd like, everyone is justified to their own opinions. I wish for the drama to end. I don't want this bullshit to carry over from Strat to cRPG, or to be excessively prolonged. For what I have said recently that may have offended anyone... I apologize. I also apologize on my fellow Remnants' behalf to what the have said, and may say. Some can be hotheads, same as some TKoV's.

For the future, to all of TKoV, do what you have to do. From me personally, I have no hard feelings. Good luck.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Kirbyy on December 22, 2012, 01:28:35 am
Addition: we allow, actually encourage "hostile" talk - drag it to the mud, no problem, but stay "in character" - it's your characters having a fight, not your real persons.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Visconti on December 22, 2012, 02:09:23 am
Your right about the expansion part Noodles, but we never really tried to bring any clan to attack you. As i said earlier, we offered occitan some fiefs we weren't gonna want, but thats about it. I still have nothing against remnant, just disappointed in the way things are turning out. Was really looking forward to a huge siege on Halmar... the xp would have been glorious, the lag would have been insane but still would have been alot of fun.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Tom Cruise on December 22, 2012, 04:23:20 am
Chesty had a boner and was within his line of sight.

Sums up the entire war
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Mechanix on December 22, 2012, 04:35:58 am
Aztek has done a damn good job of reshaping the Hospitaller image
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: dynamike on December 22, 2012, 02:01:05 pm
All Remnant members, please change your official tags to _RS now. Cat's out of the bag.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: LordBerenger on December 22, 2012, 02:21:58 pm
All Remnant members, please change your official tags to _RS now. Cat's out of the bag.

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Lordark on December 22, 2012, 08:03:24 pm
A day without Kesh propaganda post is like a day without sunshine... Enjoy them for what they are just dont linger in them for too long or you might get CANCER!  :P


Also I want to share with you all my past experiences and feelings with the tough guy, gym membership heavy, NA merc strongmen faction the REMNANTS!
The guys who walk tall, talk load, and never surrender. (before and after they surrendered all their fiefs and ran home to daddy Matey)





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  Nice jobs Gals and I dont just mean Maeday.  :wink:
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Chestaclese on December 22, 2012, 10:02:42 pm
A day without Kesh propaganda post is like a day without sunshine... Enjoy them for what they are just dont linger in them for too long or you might get CANCER!  :P


Also I want to share with you all my past experiences and feelings with the tough guy, gym membership heavy, NA merc strongmen faction the REMNANTS!
The guys who walk tall, talk load, and never surrender. (before and after they surrendered all their fiefs and ran home to daddy Matey)





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  Nice jobs Gals and I dont just mean Maeday.  :wink:

I look hot as fuck.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Mechanix on December 22, 2012, 10:08:50 pm
and there's Lordark to completely cancel out anything positive Aztek has posted.

Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: LordBerenger on December 22, 2012, 10:21:01 pm
I look hot as fuck.

You're Snooki. Noodles is The Situation. Mae is Sammi, Sauce is Pauly D, Dexxtaa is JWoww, Dynamike is Vinny, and Tom Cruise is Angie.


And Bonus: Mechanix is Selena Gomez

GGREMNANTFANS
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Peppovitch on December 22, 2012, 10:21:36 pm
Lordark,  get off the diplomacy forums.   You should know the rules we have set by now as I have personally told you multiple times.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Sauce on December 22, 2012, 10:22:51 pm
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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Matey on December 22, 2012, 11:09:54 pm
holy shit! I'm a daddy?!
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Mae. on December 23, 2012, 12:31:52 am
no way im sammi! dexx is the loud mouth slutty one.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Artyem on December 23, 2012, 12:34:27 am
no way im sammi! dexx is the loud mouth slutty one.

you mean all of them?
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: LordBerenger on December 23, 2012, 12:42:27 am
no way im sammi! dexx is the loud mouth slutty one.

Fixed. Nothin but a jersey THANG!
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Havoco on December 23, 2012, 01:15:05 am
Lordarks posts are like Quentin Tarantino films. At first they look really offensive, but after ur done watching/reading them, u realize he just put his own hidden joke in them.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Miracle on December 23, 2012, 02:19:56 am
Is his own hidden joke supposed to not be funny?
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Havoco on December 23, 2012, 02:30:17 am
Is his own hidden joke supposed to not be funny?

Most of the time.

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Peppovitch on December 23, 2012, 02:57:04 am
Bad Havoc bad!  Get outta here!  Shoo!

Sorry,  this is kind of like herding.  They got out of the paddock again.  I'll get someone to repair the fences.   :wink:
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Shadowren on December 23, 2012, 04:03:42 am
Bad Havoc bad!  Get outta here!  Shoo!

Sorry,  this is kind of like herding.  They got out of the paddock again.  I'll get someone to repair the fences.   :wink:

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Lordark on December 23, 2012, 04:07:16 am
Most of the time.

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Quentin Tarentino makes great films...   Your  too kind my good sir  :P
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 23, 2012, 04:49:25 am
In support of this war against The Hospitallers, I'm hereby committing TVE to a temporary ceasefire with Remnant, which expires upon January 6th.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Hobb on December 23, 2012, 05:15:01 am
goat get off the diplomacy forums plz, i guess I need to go round up my goats or something.... They must have gotten out of there fence.
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 23, 2012, 05:17:14 am
goat get off the diplomacy forums plz, i guess I need to go round up my goats or something.... They must have gotten out of their* fence.

ftfy
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Goretooth on December 23, 2012, 02:30:59 pm
Bad Havoc bad!  Get outta here!  Shoo!

Sorry,  this is kind of like herding.  They got out of the paddock again.  I'll get someone to repair the fences.   :wink:
peppo the herder
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Havoco on December 24, 2012, 05:39:17 am
Moo
Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: miggy on December 25, 2012, 01:20:39 am
hay guise, I'm here to completely derail the shit out of this thread..

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Title: Re: Remnant going to war against Hospitaller
Post by: Taser on December 25, 2012, 09:22:57 pm
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