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Why you do it, in online games I mean? Games are meant to give us a break from crappy reality we're all living in (some more, some less) and you have to ruin that for all of us. What the fuck is wrong with you, cheaters? I don't understand your kind but I'm willing to try.
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i can see the fun in cheating making people rage over you, generally making other gamers lifes shit in game
This kind of mentality is just... fucking mind-boggling to me.Well, it's mostly "losers" who were always the guys that got picked on in school and shit. They were the victim in real life, so now they pick up on people over internet.
Finding pleasure in creating displeasure for others. Over something so insignificant as a computer game no less.
Sad.
Having to use those things all your life long makes you go insane sooner or later, leading to notorious cheating behaviour.I tried asking but couldn't reach him.(click to show/hide)
Really! Ask Lech.
You guys do realize that Lech is only banned on the forums, right?
What if Rantrex ever got killed by a non-cheater :shock:
What do you mean with cheat? You all always read the rules and obey them? You are all saints?I like this logic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLxHJY0lQI
Someone punished with a fun, someone brutally, many does not punish. Fair?
If you give a temptation is always someone wants to use it.
This perma bann for your faction is "punished with a fun" - cos we all have fun, becouse you all know this is heavy cheating since strat 1 yet this guys are stiupid enought to continue. If people fail once itsWhat's worse, manage faction when your people self trust you to do it or cheat with 50 kk of strat gold and use it, which gives a greater advantage?
What's worse, manage faction when your people self trust you to do it or cheat with 50 kk of gold, which gives a greater advantage?
I know all this is bad, but what of that is heavy cheating?
I have 2 account but I do not play them for a long time.
chadz itself has two accounts, and shazbot al_adin... no?
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Cheaters in multiplayer games are the shit. Ruining the fun for all others is simply the most disgusting behaviour. No sympathy for these kind of "people", they deserve nothing but hate, ignorance and pain.
chadz itself has two accounts, shazbot and al_adin... no?mhh, maybe, I mean it could be, theoretically, if al_adin is really chadz, and possibly edna too:
The_Bloody_Nine Alts can not play stategus.right, still stupid comparison.
Multiaccounting shouldn't be bannable in "normal" cRPG because it affects only strat. So ppl who cheat in strat should be banned in strat, but let them play in cRPG, I don't want to have even smaller playerbase :rolleyes: Being an idiot on forum doesn't cause ban in game, being a cheater in strat shouldn't be punished in non-strat game as well.
PS Yea, I know, it's arguable what I said, but I just don't want to lose even more players :wink:
I also hear you quit duels when you're about to lose them.It was only one time I had a duel with any GK pole-cav, I killed him horse, wanted to fight him on foot, he stole my horse. I left and did not want to fight with him more. Cause it was dishonorable.
So frankly speaking, enjoy your permaban. I don't feel sorry at all.
I say that I am innocent? No. But I did it not only for myself.
Just think, if the leader of the faction could control his members, it is made for everyone, it makes everything easier, not everyone wants to manage, it's hard, needed are explained newcomers, looking for people, it takes much time (I do not have it, I have to work). Now we do not have a lot of active players, all of us.
And someone just wants to fight, hassle-free, have fan in this game.
I'm not looking for an advantage. Just think about it from the other side.
Sorry for my english.
I also hear you quit duels when you're about to lose them.
I did not force cheat, I'm talking about the mechanics of the game, how to improve it.
I do not excuses, I can do without this game, but will play without players?
How much do we have the innocent?
How much do we have the innocent?
I did not force cheat, I'm talking about the mechanics of the game, how to improve it.
I do not excuses, I can do without this game, but will play without players?
How much do we have the innocent?
I don't want you permanently banned, I just want you to stop cheating.
Grellenort, why don't you guys just play like everyone else? If you enjoy competing so much, now is your chance to do so on more level ground.Like this guys? :wink:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/strategus-round-4-starting-sunday-1200-cet/
No Faction 8,694,882,735 gold
I've been playing for so long, I've seen a lot of things, and now I'm leaving. You rejoice and think you perfect, but templars are silent.
Enjoying defense the Virgin.
Goodbye.
Like this guys? :wink: http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/strategus-round-4-starting-sunday-1200-cet/
Imho, we need another 1000 cd-keys to have as much gold as some guys on Strat 3 had :rolleyes:
& duplicating gold is more criminal than multiaccaunting, because you don't even need to do math & management, only to make millions with few mouse clicks.
Of coarse I didn't deny that multiaccs should be punished, but gold duplicaters should have been banned too.
just think everyone could use a second chance.
You mean third chance
As I said, I don't recall Union being punished before.
This is their 2nd offence?
Templars are silent? wtf is that supposed to mean ^^
Templars have not come here to flame on mass or very loudly but that doesnt mean we are cheaters O.o
"Even if I fought UIF in every strat, I don't want to see them all banned. No white-knighting here, just think everyone could use a second chance."
was refering to this
I didn't deny that bans are fair. I'm just saying that multiaccounting would be last forever if devs won't change the system. Again: it is impossible to ban all cheaters, but it is possible to eliminate the cause of multiaccaunting.
Again: you could ban half multiaccounters right now. Half will stay in the shadow because they use proxy\relatives.
But next time caught cheaters would be just more careful. & in Strat 5,6,7,...,9000 there still would be a lot of multiaccs.
Yep. So? We are bad. I'm just trying to propose new system to eliminate multiacc advantage & you all just saying: "Omg! Cheaters!" Make some other suggestion to eliminate IP & relatives exploit if you think mine is bad..
I see.
Well I have no love for Greys, they ignored the warnings and I think they're the head of the snake, or rather the biggest head. I was still talking about Union in that post, but yeah I was being vague when I meant to refer to Union as "them".
Segd has a different perspective on all of this. Cheaters cheat because it is possible to do so in his eyes. It is the dev's fault for creating a system where it is easy to do so. He basically just comes right out and says Yes we are multiaccounting and sharing accounts and lying about it when confronted, only way to make us confess is when we get caught, and we will continue to do so as long as it is possible. Apparently justified in his eyes because "but but everyone does it!!".
UIF cheaters according to Segd:
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They're almost proud of it too. Cut down one multi/shared account and 2 more will rise up in it's place.
Question: Are Russians, Polish, whatevers raised to cheat? It's not even a stereotype anymore, it's solid fact. Almost any game with a notable Russian/Polish presence there is always some friction between other European gamers. I have not a clue as to why…
I would understand how taking as much from the system as possible would be a side effect of the USSR's domination back in the cold war.
Cold war and before that 123 years of being under occupation. Two centuries of fighting against occupants, with short period of freedom between I and II WW, fucked up our mentality, hard to deny. I'm a Pole btw.Our history is quite similar, except that we have been under occupation for a far longer time. I wouldn't say that we have an issue with cheating. We have other problems though :F
Segd has a different perspective on all of this. Cheaters cheat because it is possible to do so in his eyes. It is the dev's fault for creating a system where it is easy to do so. He basically just comes right out and says Yes we are multiaccounting and sharing accounts and lying about it when confronted, only way to make us confess is when we get caught, and we will continue to do so as long as it is possible. Apparently justified in his eyes because "but but everyone does it!!".1)Yes
Question: Are Russians, Polish, whatevers raised to cheat? It's not even a stereotype anymore, it's solid fact.This is racist! :wink: So are u trying to say that all slavs would cheat & exploit at every possibility we have? I think you should kick Dave, Cupid & other cheaters from your clan before it is too late. Btw, even Nocti is compromised since Turks are not better than slavs(Remember Kapikulu_Abey with 20 cd-keys :twisted: ).
Change the Strat system to eliminate all benefits from second cd-keys & problem will be solved. Thats my point.
Is this AGAIN time when i should point on all POLISH CRPG players that are not cheating?
But sad part is that "take everything from the system if it is possible" could be post-communistic heritage some polish people have.
I think it have something in common with right-wing mentality there are poor US and rich stealing from us THEY. Everytime you can cheat THEM (f.e on taxes) is good for you becouse THEY STEAL from you everyday.
Not many people in Poland knows why they even pay taxes for and you can hear "so PRIME MINISTER CAN RIDE HIS CAR"(click to show/hide)
But i thought it's not only polish problem :)
4)Only 1 DRZ guy is banned.
The only solution for that would be to make the game grind, not tactics based. And I don't like that at all.Something like that should help a bit:
There is no way to keep the game tactical and remove multi account benefits.
Even the strategus tick thing was abused by multi accounters by letting them be caravans where you need no strategus ticks.
That's why we will keep banning people instead of letting cheaters compromise the game and force us to take it into a direction we don't want.
Well, there is a saying in Russia "Не наебёшь - не проживешь", which is loosely translates as "You don't cheat - you won't survive"."Строгость российских законов смягчается необязательностью их исполнения" The severity of Russian laws is countermanded by the lack of obligation to implement them.
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Question: Are Russians, Polish, whatevers raised to cheat? It's not even a stereotype anymore, it's solid fact. Almost any game with a notable Russian/Polish presence there is always some friction between other European gamers. I have not a clue as to why…
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This is one positive result of 1st warnings. DRZ somehow managed to stop this.ehhh useless to fight against multi acounters only idiots got cought smart multiaccounters have more than 2nd key they jsut keep chanhing IP not so hard to do it and get away without punishment while playing on 2 3 or 4 or even more accounts.
So Segd the issue in my opinion is not destroy all multi accounts in universe. But stop famous/top/most important players to do this. As you can see it works fine with DRZ since you guys avoided banwave (or you put this on higher lvl but we have no proof for this so lets stay positive). Make Vovka obey rules and all will obey. Make Harpag not obey rules and most Greys will not.
Nobody will have their experience destroyed if there will be few random people using multi accounts, but leaders of biggest clans around can destroy whole sense of strategus.
one may ask why somany swe seem to be pompus and stuck up :rolleyes:
swe swe swe swe???
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i dunno but in each game ive played most of them are : :D
... they jsut keep chanhing IP ...
ehhh useless to fight against multi acounters only idiots got cought smart multiaccounters have more than 2nd key they jsut keep chanhing IP not so hard to do it and get away without punishment while playing on 2 3 or 4 or even more accounts.
At least allowing Alts on strat battles would help a lot without a serious harm to current gameplay.Btw:
Btw:
1)right now some classes like archers or xbow men can't participate in strat battles if there is no equip for them.
2)many guys retire a lot instead of going to lvl35 ( :P ) & they sometimes can not participate too.
3)Not enough XP for battles, so ppl don't want to fight small or boring battles.
This 3 problems make harder to do the roster causing ppl to:
1)Suck
2)Create big alliances to fill the rosters with good players 24\7
This is the one of the reasons why UIF exist. Nor DRZ, nor Greys cannot make roster without help of all their allies.
Todays example: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1223
IMHO, allowing alts could help not only with multiaccs, but with rosters & carebearing too.
This is racist! :wink: So are u trying to say that all slavs would cheat & exploit at every possibility we have? I think you should kick Dave, Cupid & other cheaters from your clan before it is too late. Btw, even Nocti is compromised since Turks are not better than slavs(Remember Kapikulu_Abey with 20 cd-keys :twisted: ).
Alpha should set this SB & PB heretics in the desert on fire as well :rolleyes:
Make Vovka obey rules and all will obey. Make Harpag not obey rules and most Greys will not.
Nobody will have their experience destroyed if there will be few random people using multi accounts, but leaders of biggest clans around can destroy whole sense of strategus.
BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATS GODDAMIT!!! THEY CAN KILL ME SO IT CLEARLY MEANS THEY CHEAT!Your name is not Rantarex.
Your name is not Rantarex.I posted that so he doesn't have to.
BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE CHEATS GODDAMIT!!! THEY CAN KILL ME SO IT CLEARLY MEANS THEY CHEAT!
This turned into a troll thread
This turned into a troll threadHow a troll thread turns into a troll thread? I don't understand.
Emotion, prostitutes don't count
Why you do it, in online games I mean? Games are meant to give us a break from crappy reality we're all living in (some more, some less) and you have to ruin that for all of us. What the fuck is wrong with you, cheaters? I don't understand your kind but I'm willing to try.
How a troll thread turns into a troll thread? I don't understand.(click to show/hide)
Loved it when this thread turned into a semi-serious discussion on national psychology :lol:
Anyone not having any issues playing in night time is a cheater.
Tweaking graphics and monitor settings is indeed cheating.
:lol:I think its a perception thing. Hungary is ~10m, Poland - ~40m?, Russia ~140m, so this results in lower amount of hackers -> lower perception about hacking. And again - you can't go about with a shield of stereotypes assigning everyone to a specific category based on nationality. E.g. there are great guys in Lithuania, but there are also morons... But we are far fewer, so no perception about us whatsoever :rolleyes:
Sorry about that.
BTW, just to add: I am born in Hungary, which is also a post-USSR country. A lot of cheating takes place there as well, tax evasion, gas fee evasion, theft, black markets, whatever. But (!): I never heard one word about Hungarians in game, i.e "Hungarians are all cheaters and scammers!!!". More likely so, you'd find "Russian" or "Poles" replace "Hungarians".
Just an interesting observation. Just because one cheats in real life, does not mean you will also cheat in games. I have theories that would support this observation, but the average attention span will suffer, so I can't be hassled. :wink:
there are great guys in Lithuania
Either it's for the above reason or there's something in it. Mind you I've never had problems with other Eastern European countries and everyone is bringing up Poland here so meh.
Cos Poland is best country EVER. We are friendly, open minded, hard working folks ! Living in normal country, with average amount of idiots, and also average amount of cool people.I am geting angry too , but you have to thx to our GO friends.
Lets then stop talking about polish communities in games and start talking about FRENCH !!!
OOOO those French people, they will never learn, don't they ?
I love Poland for History and bravery in war (charging on horse when Russian tanks attack...they are men ! Really !)It's a false chocolate chip cookie propaganda, go back to school :!:
Stop QQ'ing Leshma and you do it too.(click to show/hide)
So.. the reason for cheating in online games is life being hard and shit...
In that case, please explain me why we Yugos aren't cheating in cRPG?
It's a false chocolate chip cookie propaganda, go back to school :!:
lol... I learned that at school...loooong time ago ! Now I m teacher and I go to school everyday...
I have to say, Pepe as a teacher in France will either be the salvation of the country, or its doom.
I have to say, Pepe as a teacher in France will either be the salvation of the country, or its doom.
It's a false chocolate chip cookie propaganda, go back to school :!:
lol... I learned that at school...loooong time ago ! Now I m teacher and I go to school everyday...
For historical I will try to translate in frenglish :
Poland cavalry was not with lance...Lance was only for "parade". In war they were just like mounted light infantry. they ride quickly and tried to destroy tanks with Molotov coktails and magnetic hand grenades...
In 1939 cavalry charges were rare against german troops and only for little groups of soldiers.
Best exemple was the charge by the Colonel Mastalerz against Guderian germans infantery divisions in Danzig corridor. It was real success in beginning but german vehicules came and destoryed the cavalry.
When German and italian reporters came at the battlefield and saw the horses and the tanks they wrote on newspapers "suicide cavalry charge against tanks" and it was used by propaganda later...
In 1941 against Soviet and German troops charges were more frequent : For exemple in November 1941 the charge of mongol cav division was exterminated by german machinegun : 2.000 horses killed for only 30 who reach the german objective...massacred...
Very usefull to know the poland army in WWII : http://www.polishforums.com/history-poland-34/polish-military-in-pictures-38822/
By now, please take time to learn more before writing "go back to school"... Sometimes you don't know very well who is your interlocutor and what was the reality of facts... thank you for attention...
PS : Poland Cavalry didn't cheat in WWII...so they loose....
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/counter-strike-cheater-knife-brain-skull,9955.html
...I'm glad that you know the real facts about polish cavalry units during WW2, I thought you were talking about charge with sabres on armored tanks... So I must apologize you, I'm sorry :oops:
I'm glad that you know the real facts about polish cavalry units during WW2, I thought you were talking about charge with sabres on armored tanks... So I must apologize you, I'm sorry :oops:
YOU ARE A REAL MAN TO SAY THAT ! I accept your apologise and give you all my respect...
I've been playing for so long, I've seen a lot of things, and now I'm leaving. You gloat and think you perfect, but templars are silent.
Enjoying defense the Virgin.
Goodbye.
All cheaters should get a knife in the head, let them feel the pain I feel in my brain when I try to understand what makes people play a skillbased game unfairly: surely if all you want is an easy win, load minesweeper, set the max size, set mines to 1, and win all fucking day. Fucksakes
Grellenort, u too stronk sheater))
admin ban yu for beink too stronk but not worry, buy njiew cd ki and try agen okey?
Templars best gear in strat? I must have missed those fights :( I have never been in a fight where the UIF have had worse gear than us O.o
Oh, we would have banned if we would have had proper logs. We saw that it was done, but couldn't know exactly who did it.
Those that did can consider themselves lucky in this case. Wasn't just templars ofc.
lucky in this case
indeed a clan that got mass banned for cheating is going to be sorely missed.If banned all guilty including your clan... indeed.
So.. the reason for cheating in online games is life being hard and shit...
In that case, please explain me why we Yugos aren't cheating in cRPG?
Oh, we would have banned if we would have had proper logs. We saw that it was done, but couldn't know exactly who did it.
Those that did can consider themselves lucky in this case. Wasn't just templars ofc.
i guess i missed all the parts where we had plate god damn :(. I would be fine with banning dupers as i wasn't one of them :D
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We should ban whole clans more frequently. Some wonderful artwork seems to be produced that way.yea thats true really nice art work
I can't stop thinking about Павел Андреевич Чехов when I look at the leftmost guy.
yea thats true really nice art workTnx.
Any sort of responsibility? Globally banned for all suspected not enough for this?you got ban in crpg to?
Tnx.
Anyone not having any issues playing in night time is a cheater.
Tweaking graphics and monitor settings is indeed cheating.
True dat. Btw, Devs could use launcher to check game files(like they do with banners right now).
I totally agree with this tbh, that and the facts that you can: Use any custon textures you want for ANYTHING, from the crosshair, to brightly coloured arrows, invisible trees/bushes, light at night, transparant walls, turn off fog, and anything else u can think of. This disgusts me, cause I have watched some ppl's videos and screenshots with these additions/subtractions and it does make a different game. An ugly, easy, horrible game. I would fucking ADORE the mod who would open a line of communication with punkbuster and get their support. At least in games that have punkbuster, all custom content is a ban. I really do feel this way. Play the EXACT same game as everyone else or GTFO, there is NO reason to use ANY custom content in crpg EXCEPT because you gain an unfair advantage.
you got ban in crpg to?Yes, but np.
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you got ban in crpg to?
Yes, but np.
grellenort has rubles, okey? meny meny stronk rubles, with he buy loomz from RU markplatz. no problem is okey!! ))
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If banned all guilty including your clan... indeed.
Yes, but np.hmm, that a lite bit unfair...
Oh, we would have banned if we would have had proper logs. We saw that it was done, but couldn't know exactly who did it.
Those that did can consider themselves lucky in this case. Wasn't just templars ofc.
I was right!Do not worry, I have no desire to return.
I do not worry, I have no desire to return.
I added a tl;dr in recognition of your poor, illiterate and decrepid ind :P
Templar funny justified.
But chadz said everything clearly.
I do not worry, I have no desire to return.
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I totally agree with this tbh, that and the facts that you can: Use any custon textures you want for ANYTHING, from the crosshair, to brightly coloured arrows, invisible trees/bushes, light at night, transparant walls, turn off fog, and anything else u can think of. This disgusts me, cause I have watched some ppl's videos and screenshots with these additions/subtractions and it does make a different game. An ugly, easy, horrible game. I would fucking ADORE the mod who would open a line of communication with punkbuster and get their support. At least in games that have punkbuster, all custom content is a ban. I really do feel this way. Play the EXACT same game as everyone else or GTFO, there is NO reason to use ANY custom content in crpg EXCEPT because you gain an unfair advantage.
In my view using custom content is LITERALLY no different to autoblocking. Infact, it's worse, because while autoblockers do occasionally get busted, nothing will happen to those who use visual content, and the massive % of players who have a feint macro bound to their mouse buttons. These ppl need banning, they cheat, there are no 2 ways about it.
chadz saying that two things are banable does not make the two things the same at all, i still believe that your behaviour is far worse and far more consistent. Unlike you who condoned and encouraged his members to multi account and cheat as well as your allies i do not encourage bug exploitation or cheating. You systematically and repeatedly cheated in strategus and show absolutely no remorse for your actions. I think people who exploit bugs should be banned, that's why we reported it, to see that it got fixed. I doubt your fucked up concept of fair play can appreciate that though.Better, worse - it's a rhetorical question. You're trying to say that you are better for it shall not be banned. chadz said that just harder to find those responsible, and you have good luck here.
Now why not stick to your word and fuck off?
You'd be better adding a requirement for your clan recruitment, so next time you don't add reputation-derailing retards like Blind Guy in your ranks.
When u rage I laugh and I think back when you joined the game and how u havent really improved so much over so long and how u still just talk shit about ppl because u have the inability to remember anything that happend last week XD
Your butt, is it hurt?
What does "u" mean? And do you need help with forming proper sentences?What? he uses "u" instead of "you"??????!?!?!?!???
What? he uses "u" instead of "you"??????!?!?!?!???
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It does make him look like a teenager, even more so than the actual content of his messages.
If you get 5 upvotes, I will lock it myself.
If you get 5 upvotes, I will lock it myself.
Any sort of responsibility? Globally banned for all suspected not enough for this?
I admit that I am guilty in this case and deserve what I have
There must be a mistake, perhaps because of the peculiarities of my ISP. T_mgstr_Grellenort
I have a question, do you have something personal to me?
Oberyn It took time to accept and recognize the fault.
Lol Blind guyFirst, if my use of caps seems random to you, you should read again, and then maybe listen to some people speak English, and listen to their emphasis, and then maybe google emphasis so you know what I'm typing about XD
you CHOOSE TO PLAY CRPG but you didn't CHOOSE to drive a CAR becouse you didn't CHOOSE THIS LIFE ? dafuq is this logic.
Sry for random capitalization but i want it to be in simmilar style :)
Good for you.
Blindguy, you are an idiot ...
tl;dr (your bull may be superior but if it produces an amount of bullshit that is too much to handle, you gain nothing from having the superiority.)
How can you have typed that about my bullshit after having typed TL:DR....could it be maybe you were being dishonest? Also, why does EVERYONE think they are a psychic? How the fuck do you KNOW how much bullshit I can handle? For all you know, I have a fucking JCB to dispose of bullshit. Dont make assumptions. 25 years ago a wiser man than you or I said to me "The conclusion you jump to may be your own". I don't know if he thought that up or if he stole it off someone yet wiser than him, but it is still very true. Have a think about it before making any more assumptions. Also, stop letting Gnjus dictate to you what to type. He is muted and should take that time to evaluate what he writes, not make you spam in his place.Now you made the assumption that I questioned your capability to handle bullshit when I was actually thinking about the majority of this forum.
BlindGuy, this topic is about cheaters, not self-absorbed, stuck-up britmy old friends who seem to think themselves above everyone else. :wink:As I have just learned, he is from Spain.
BlindGuy, this topic is about cheaters, not self-absorbed, stuck-up britmy old friends who seem to think themselves above everyone else. :wink:
Even though you stated that in your post, you still made a big fuzz, prancing around like a horny baboon.
Better, worse - it's a rhetorical question. You're trying to say that you are better for it shall not be banned. chadz said that just harder to find those responsible, and you have good luck here.
Your Clan have unlimited gold and used it to finance your "holy" crusade, did it for a long time. Is it better?
If you immediately reported the bug to chadz, he allowed you to using it? I doubt it. Maybe you just got wrong address, instead chadz address your allies? That explains a lot.
P.S. I left the game, not the forum. I have more free time)
Bunn me here if you wish. But I do not make personal insults. I'm just saying what I think, I have nothing to lose.
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If you get 5 upvotes, I will lock it myself.
If you get 5 upvotes, I will lock it myself.
Anyone not having any issues playing in night time is a cheater.
Tweaking graphics and monitor settings is indeed cheating.
Poor visibility in dark scenes can cost even the most skillful gamers their game. The Black eQualizer color engine technology is designed to offer an unprecedented level of control and visibility. Dark scenes are brightened without over-exposing the bright areas to preserve vital details, enabling gamers to spot their enemies easily in critical combat and react quickly in any situation.
What exactly are you teaching those poor kids?Maybe they have a different counting system in France?
U can close it naow.