Nordic Short Sword looks like boring shit, Wakizashi looks great. You have to pay for style!Thats propably the point eventhough i think the price is a bit over the limit. Look at the armor shop section where you will find similar cases. Dont get me wrong , i really like that item and want to get a mw wakisashi some day , but its a style item and i will have to pay for that ^^
Just because it's Japanese doesn't mean it has to be almost as useless as the Sumpter and super expensive.
On a further note :
The other day i was reading in a documentary that wearing the "pair" (katana and wakisashi) was fairly common, since each weapon had their distinct purpose . So combination of both weapons should be considered as two parts of a mighty set ... and thus the price of both together should reflect that ...
I read that too and tried it on my weaboo-alt... they look shitty together, because they both are sheated on the same side :?A matter of taste i'd say. You dont have to use the pair on the other hand :wink:
This anti-Japanese bias really has to stop.
My +3 Blue Churburg is thus a Lordly Lord Armour? AWWW YEAH!(click to show/hide)
Okay I'm tired of all the "style" bullshit arguments. We all know it is complete bullshit, and if you don't then your head is up your ass. If you honestly believe that style is suppose to increase an item's cost over 5k, then let us look at some of these other items who have their costs increased based on "style".
For example, the following armors all have exactly the same stats.
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According to "style balance", all of these items should cost triple the previous.
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Obviously only a very few players would ever be able to afford playing a lord, prince, or king and still have fun with this game, which is why they aren't triple the cost based on "style". Neither should be the wakizashi. Period. How the hell does it costs less to look like a king than it does to look like a common samurai or ninja? That is just complete bullshit lol.
Plate Armor: 22,662 gold.
Blue Churburg Curiass: 67,986 gold. ----- If you want to be a lord, that is the price for style. 8-)
Red Churburg Curiass: 203,958 gold. ----- If you want to be a prince, that is the price for style. :lol:
Churburg Curiass: 611,874 gold. ----- If you want to be a king, that is the price for style. :rolleyes:
The nobleman outfits aren't +5k increase to their counterparts, they are ~1k. Wakizashi is over 5k additional cost for "style". There is absolutely nothing in the game as ridiculously overpriced as that.
So again...there is no reasonable and fair reason for it.
Okay?
Last time I checked, a wakizashi wasn't an item exclusively for royalty though. So, that still doesn't justify its +5k price adjustment.
Based on that logic, the Churburg Curiass and armors that only a king or high royalty would wear should be much more expensive? Yet they aren't.
Wakizashi was standard equipment for most samurai, and most samurai were not royalty. So to say wakizashi should be +5k cost because other items are considered royal or for nobles, is ridiculous lol. Peasants could and would use wakizashis. However, peasants would not be wearing a Churburg Curiass. Peasants also wouldn't often be using fancy sideswords and such. Yet there is no insane additional cost for using any of these items.
I just checked wiki out of interest and it said it was also used by merchants and craftsmen to protect themselves from bandits.
And apparently there were some regulations as to how long the sword owned by commoners could be. I don't know the exact length, but according to this article:
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Wakizashi.html it was shorter than a katana
It was common for common people to use a katana length sword and call it a wakizashi because it was legal to have a wakizashi, however it was illegal to have a katana as a commoner.
That is true, but again, differing cultures. You didn't see merchants in medieval Europe rolling around in chainmail to defend themselves.Agreed differing cultures. However, I thought you were arguing that the culture and useage of the sword(s) does have bearing on the subject.
Agreed differing cultures. However, I thought you were arguing that the culture and useage of the sword(s) does have bearing on the subject.
It's theweeabooJapanophile tax. We make sure thatweeabooJapanese items suck for their price, so that only hardcoreweeaboosJapanophiles use them.WeeaboosJapanophiles should thank us for getting rid of cheap imitators.
I must say that i do agree with auphelia very much now. In my prior posts i only looked for a good approach to the problem.Torch is 10x as expensive as the club, while being slower and less damaging. Pays to look cool :(
And tbh .. regardless what other posts say about style price for armors , there is no single other example for style weapons (not armor) with this ridiculous price/stat relation.
The price should be reduced to somewhat meaningfull and affordable, otherwise this all makes no sense , since its just an unused piece of an item that can aswell be deleted from the item shop...
Long Espada Eslnova stats are shitty for its price.is that supposed to be a joke ? because that weapon is crazy statwise imho ... its harder to play than other 1h (spammitar, warhammer ) but the stats are really sick ... 103 range , 28p (unloomed ) on thrust .. just lol
Yup.
is that supposed to be a joke ? because that weapon is crazy statwise imho ... its harder to play than other 1h (spammitar, warhammer ) but the stats are really sick ... 103 range , 28p (unloomed ) on thrust .. just lolIt's complete crap cause the 1h stab is a joke now.
In after Devs ignore this thead.better chance to get noticed by the right people over time in the propper board than getting lost beneath hundreds of silly QQ,trolls,dama and other wrong placed suggestions and toppics in random suggestions or even general board ;)
is that supposed to be a joke ? because that weapon is crazy statwise imho ... its harder to play than other 1h (spammitar, warhammer ) but the stats are really sick ... 103 range , 28p (unloomed ) on thrust .. just lol
It's theweeabooJapanophile tax. We make sure thatweeabooJapanese items suck for their price, so that only hardcoreweeaboosJapanophiles use them.WeeaboosJapanophiles should thank us for getting rid of cheap imitators.
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Except weeaboo doesnt design japaneese people, for fuck sake, and Japaneese is a nationality, not a race.
For as long as I could remember I loved Medieval stuff. I don't go to any renaissance fairs or anything like that but I really enjoy English style Medieval warfare and have a deep appreciation for it. I don't see Europeans giving me a hard time specifically for that reason and nerfing the shit out of English weaponry just to spite me. You can have dislike for weeabos, I just don't see any grounds for nerfing the weaponry for the specific reason that you HATE them.
Stop derailing the topic, this is a serious thread with a serious issue - there are other threads for you to go and be wrong in.
This is pretty funny. The goalposts are at about the thousand yard line, now. "The wakizashi's balanced." "Ok, it's imbalanced, but they're paying for style." "Ok, they're not so much paying for style, as paying for Japanese stuff." "Ok, fuck Japan, Japanese stuff, and people who like Japanese stuff, but I'm not racist."This guy got no infamy, fucking cute as hell. <3
The wakizashi is stupidly overpriced and you're racist.
This guy got no infamy, fucking cute as hell. <3
Pay for style. You can have a cheapass shirt from a low-price bullshit shop or a similar shirt with a famous brand on it. There is a huge price difference. Same goes for this
It's not "pay for style", it's "pay for ugly". You pay more because of the discomfort you cause to other players.
Explain this then:Did you just fucking hate on the Deli Cap? Fuck you.
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It's not "pay for style", it's "pay for ugly". You pay more because of the discomfort you cause to other players.In that case please increase the my old friendtanas price.
In that case please increase the my old friendtanas price.do us all a favor and stop writing in colours it's such a cheap way to whore attention
do us all a favor and stop writing in colours it's such a cheap way to whore attention
Actually writing in orange/yellow in a white forum is asking people not to read you.This. <3 Not my fault orange is the only sexy color out there.
Explain this then:
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It's not "pay for style", it's "pay for ugly". You pay more because of the discomfort you cause to other players.
Pay for style. You can have a cheapass shirt from a low-price bullshit shop or a similar shirt with a famous brand on it. There is a huge price difference. Same goes for this
You can feel his glorious beard throb in triumph as he laughs and his mix of cheetos and doritos fall from his lap to the floor.
I'm not american.
I don't get it?
You're not american thusly doritos, cheetos and other assorted junk food did not come flying out of your mouth as you were jiggling your giant beard in a laughing fit over your entirely clever and witty comments?
My bad.
I don't get it?
You're not american thusly doritos, cheetos and other assorted junk food did not come flying out of your mouth as you were jiggling your giant beard in a laughing fit over your entirely clever and witty comments?
There are no cheetos or doritos here. I don't have a beard either.
That's tragic news.
It's not "pay for style", it's "pay for ugly". You pay more because of the discomfort you cause to other players.
Almost as tragic as his lack of fashion sense. Kuyak and Warmask... then says the wakizashi is ugly.
Then don't put it in the game if it is so ugly? Remove it, or balance it.
If the wakizashi has to cost 3x as much as its equivalent as a weapon, then do the same for all other weeaboo gear. I'm just asking for some kind of balance. Don't make rules for one weapon and use the excuse that it is for "style or ugly" when there are two other weapons that look identical to it (aside from their size) that are exempt from the ridiculous rule.
If that is a rule, apply it to the rest of them. If it is not a rule, then balance it.
I'd love to see the devs mega nerf all weeaboo gear. Then we would have more people explaining how ridiculous this shit is until it was fixed.
The devs added the items to the game, it was their choice, they could have removed them, they chose not to, so they should quit being so left and right about it and make up their mind. Remove the shit you don't want, or balance it and be fair about it.
Why are the devs so afraid of simply removing it all? If they aren't afraid to make themselves look like racists trolls, then why not simply respect yourselves more and remove the items you don't want to deal with or look at? I'd rather have devs that can make up their minds about what they want in their game, than devs that add shit they don't like just to nerf and troll about it. Why are you punishing your players for using fucking weapons and armor that YOU put into the game? lol
Take it out, or balance it.
Or keep it as it is. Which is what we will do. Problem?
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Btw, what about people that want to wear female dresses or male noble outfits ?
Those items are all 3k, even though they have crap stats for that price.
Or keep it as it is. Which is what we will do. Problem?
It's a serious answer, of course it's not funny. Duh.Yes, but to be fair, isn't that at least partially because we're doomed to never get another item patch ever again? :lol:
I do understand that this is probably the only multiplayer orientated mod for Warband which has japanese items but you weeaboos really need to realize that's not the point of cRPG.
Eh. Thanks for the kind words, Leshma. :oops:
It's a fundamental difference of view, I believe. To many(some weaboos included) this mod is about creating a character. A unique character that you can choose to play whenever you want. That's the core concept that appealed to me and the reason I still play today. I can't think of many others who have been actively playing the same character for all this time. I became a ninja purely by accident. I had no idea or any particular interest in ninjas when I started playing, nor do I to this day. But it's the character I stumbled upon, and it's the one I still am.
To me, having eastern and far eastern cultures does not detract from the core idea, it in fact adds to it.
I never liked the fact that cRPG attracts so many weeaboos but I have to admit that I was lucky being part of community which has people like Khorin. Having him as part of this community makes up for 20 whiny naruto kids.
This should not be applicable to any Japanese-style weapons or armor currently in the game, as they were all created and used for function alone.
I don't know, I've argued against every argument in this thread. No one has come up with any reasonable counter argument. Just more trolling.
I've argued why the wakizashi is too expensive (EVEN considering there is a weeaboo tax or style tax or ugly tax or whatever the fuck it's called) in about two or three pages worth of text.
It has been compared to noble robes before, and the argument is that the wakizashi is NOT a noble's weapon, and was produced cheaply enough for peasants and the lower class to purchase.
It has been compared to the torch, and the argument is that the wakizashi is NOT a fun item used for special effects like smoke bombs or other "fun" items. It is a weapon that was used to actually kill people. If the community wants to turn it into a useless "fun" weapon, then even still, nerf it and make it as cheap as the other "fun" weapons.
The weeaboo tax or import theory tax isn't a fair argument either, as no other Japanese weapon or armor is as ridiculously expensive as the wakizashi for its stats.
Aside from all the trolling, are there any arguments that I have missed?
I think the only sensible buff is to remove all weaboo items from the game
Almost as tragic as his lack of fashion sense. Kuyak and Warmask... then says the wakizashi is ugly.Waki is ugly, coolest ugly weapon ingame, like old black armor ugly, that's why I love my waki, don't make it 0 slot, don't decrease its price, don't buff it in any way, fuck ninjas.
Blah.
Waki is ugly, coolest ugly weapon ingame, like old black armor ugly, that's why I love my waki, don't make it 0 slot, don't decrease its price, don't buff it in any way, fuck ninjas.
Melee weapon I've been using for several weeks on the char I play the most is a waki btw, so fuck off bitches and fake ass assholes who think the waki is just an accesory to you my old friends and your fucking my old friendtanas all you ninjas with my old friendtanas are the gayest players on earth and the 1# guys I'd permaban if I got to pick, and NO YOUR STAB IS STILL OP AS HELL EVEN THOUGH ITS STATS ARE SHIT DUE TO THE OP 2H ANIMATION, NOW FUCK OFF.
Zlisch why you hatin' so much?Dude, when I write in pink text I'm joking.
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no joke italian falchion is a BOSS sword, i used to use it when i was a 1h my old friend (i know you didnt post that but god i love that thing)
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Wait a second... the waki has 21 pierce on the stab but the katana has 16?But then again the katana has a stab that won't glance 99% of the time...
IT'S THE SAME MODEL!
Ya. The 2h animation is a lot better. However, Zlisch is exaggerating.
Wait a second... the waki has 21 pierce on the stab but the katana has 16?
IT'S THE SAME MODEL!
Italian weapons tend to be pretty boss in this mod, not gonna lie.
He is likely accounting for the NA side which stacks armor like it is going out of style and anything less then 50 is "light" and "living life on the edge." :wink: