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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #105 on: September 27, 2012, 02:09:42 am »
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There are no cheetos or doritos here. I don't have a beard either.

I don't think I could feel any more sorry for you than I do right now.

That's tragic news.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #106 on: September 27, 2012, 02:23:07 am »
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That's tragic news.

Almost as tragic as his lack of fashion sense. Kuyak and Warmask... then says the wakizashi is ugly.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #107 on: September 27, 2012, 02:35:55 am »
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It's not "pay for style", it's "pay for ugly". You pay more because of the discomfort you cause to other players.

Then don't put it in the game if it is so ugly? Remove it, or balance it.
If the wakizashi has to cost 3x as much as its equivalent as a weapon, then do the same for all other weeaboo gear. I'm just asking for some kind of balance. Don't make rules for one weapon and use the excuse that it is for "style or ugly" when there are two other weapons that look identical to it (aside from their size) that are exempt from the ridiculous rule.

If that is a rule, apply it to the rest of them. If it is not a rule, then balance it.

I'd love to see the devs mega nerf all weeaboo gear. Then we would have more people explaining how ridiculous this shit is until it was fixed.
The devs added the items to the game, it was their choice, they could have removed them, they chose not to, so they should quit being so left and right about it and make up their mind. Remove the shit you don't want, or balance it and be fair about it.

Why are the devs so afraid of simply removing it all? If they aren't afraid to make themselves look like racists trolls, then why not simply respect yourselves more and remove the items you don't want to deal with or look at? I'd rather have devs that can make up their minds about what they want in their game, than devs that add shit they don't like just to nerf and troll about it. Why are you punishing your players for using fucking weapons and armor that YOU put into the game? lol

Take it out, or balance it.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #108 on: September 27, 2012, 02:36:33 am »
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Almost as tragic as his lack of fashion sense. Kuyak and Warmask... then says the wakizashi is ugly.

Let him troll on! He is after all, the hardest working coder we have.. :D
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #109 on: September 27, 2012, 03:39:57 am »
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Then don't put it in the game if it is so ugly? Remove it, or balance it.
If the wakizashi has to cost 3x as much as its equivalent as a weapon, then do the same for all other weeaboo gear. I'm just asking for some kind of balance. Don't make rules for one weapon and use the excuse that it is for "style or ugly" when there are two other weapons that look identical to it (aside from their size) that are exempt from the ridiculous rule.

If that is a rule, apply it to the rest of them. If it is not a rule, then balance it.

I'd love to see the devs mega nerf all weeaboo gear. Then we would have more people explaining how ridiculous this shit is until it was fixed.
The devs added the items to the game, it was their choice, they could have removed them, they chose not to, so they should quit being so left and right about it and make up their mind. Remove the shit you don't want, or balance it and be fair about it.

Why are the devs so afraid of simply removing it all? If they aren't afraid to make themselves look like racists trolls, then why not simply respect yourselves more and remove the items you don't want to deal with or look at? I'd rather have devs that can make up their minds about what they want in their game, than devs that add shit they don't like just to nerf and troll about it. Why are you punishing your players for using fucking weapons and armor that YOU put into the game? lol

Take it out, or balance it.

Or keep it as it is. Which is what we will do. Problem?

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #110 on: September 27, 2012, 06:10:12 am »
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Auphilia,

I'm not going to defend cmp here, as I agree with you generally that we shouldn't pay performance tax AND upkeep tax for weaboo items. Upkeep tax would be enough.. I think the items should be quite viable, but more expensive than euro stuff

Thing is cmp is not really the one taking all the decisions here. He just jumped into the thread.. :D  (He can I'd think, but he would step on some toes)

Some facts lost in time for you Auphilia:
* Dev team and especially balancers are quite Euro-centric. (And Especially the one balancer who shall not be mentioned but has a name starting with "P" or "U")
* Afaik chadz himself is the reason we still have weaboo items in the game. There was a time when he himself helped add shurikens, masked hoods and black lamellars. (Initiated and organized by yours truly)  I heard the rest of the devs simply wanted to remove it all..

I agree with chadz. Weaboo items are part of the quirky thing that makes cRPG identity unique, and Ninjas possible of course!

Also, I would't waste my time trying to convince cmp to change the waki.. Of the dev team your best hope is chadz or Fasader. :D  (Does Fasader even play anymore?)

Paul can be convinced if you have tons of credibility to spend.. And so far, you don't have that amount. (yet)
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #111 on: September 27, 2012, 12:51:47 pm »
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Or keep it as it is. Which is what we will do. Problem?

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #112 on: September 27, 2012, 01:12:12 pm »
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It's a serious answer, of course it's not funny. Duh.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2012, 02:02:12 pm »
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Generally, I'm fairly content with the pricing and stats of the japanese stuff apart from the wakizashi. Never really used the wakizashi, because it's not part of my style. But its price point is an oddity considering how bad it is. But it really is just an item for style(with its current stats), like the torch, so it being expensive is not necessarily completely wrong. I'd say that it's a little too expensive though, but that's a matter of tweaking. I believe its main issue is it being useless while still having stats that don't look useless. Either strip its stats and price or increase its price and stats. That's the only changes I think you have a chance of making to it.

Also, I find that arguing through reason continuosly for a year is the best way to be able to influence an items pricing or stats. It's what I did for the katana, and I used up a lot Thomek's trademarked "credibility" in doing so, but eventually they did balance it to a point where I am content and it's a viable counter toward most threats(not to imply I was the only one debating the issue). The katana pre-december 2010 patch was a little crazy when everyone had 230 wpf and a 106 speed katana, but in my opinion they took it a little far when it was nerfed, which was what I argued.

Arguing with emotions and personal attacks will get you nowhere, though. Just a tip if you really want to change it. I remember a guy who argued that katana should be 140 speed or something based on the pricing and had a ridiculous "mathematical" formula to back it up, so don't do that either. Just be reasonable and try to counter every argument posed against you with some evidence time and time again 'til no one bothers to argue you anymore and the item is either changed or you will be forever ignored by others. And if you can not counter the argument, then concede the point until you can.

But personally I'd rather see more cultures included instead of eternally debating about this one culture. I'd gladly see a few chinese armours and maybe even a chinese type one hander and shield. Luckily many of these weapons can be replaced by european items that look similar. Then adding indian gear would be great aswell. Of course finding the models for these is the problem. I've noticed that my second favourite character after my ninja is my zulu and after that my full strength fat plate abuser. It's really nice to be able to change styles but also combat styles to fit the character. I usually try to immerse myself in my character and try to act as the character would. Brings a nice variation to the cRPG routine.

On, the other hand if you really just want to rave on the forums, personal insults and emotional pleading goes a long way to achieve that goal.

This ends this session of "Wisdoms of Old Ninja Lobbyists" with Khorin and Thomek. Thank you all for joining us and we'll see you again next week. :wink:
« Last Edit: September 27, 2012, 02:16:08 pm by Ninja_Khorin »

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #114 on: September 27, 2012, 02:17:33 pm »
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Btw, what about people that want to wear female dresses or male noble outfits ?

Those items are all 3k, even though they have crap stats for that price.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #115 on: September 27, 2012, 04:23:09 pm »
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Btw, what about people that want to wear female dresses or male noble outfits ?

Those items are all 3k, even though they have crap stats for that price.

We are obviously racist (?) towards noble people.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #116 on: September 27, 2012, 04:41:22 pm »
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I do understand that this is probably the only multiplayer orientated mod for Warband which has japanese items but you weeaboos really need to realize that's not the point of cRPG.

You should be lucky there's japanese gear in cRPG at all, not asking for buffs.

I never liked the fact that cRPG attracts so many weeaboos but I have to admit that I was lucky being part of community which has people like Khorin. Having him as part of this community makes up for 20 whiny naruto kids.

That being said, Wakizashi should be 0 slot. People need one more reason to hate archers.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #117 on: September 27, 2012, 05:26:12 pm »
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Or keep it as it is. Which is what we will do. Problem?
It's a serious answer, of course it's not funny. Duh.
Yes, but to be fair, isn't that at least partially because we're doomed to never get another item patch ever again?  :lol:
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2012, 05:37:22 pm »
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Eh. Thanks for the kind words, Leshma.  :oops:

I do understand that this is probably the only multiplayer orientated mod for Warband which has japanese items but you weeaboos really need to realize that's not the point of cRPG.

It's a fundamental difference of view, I believe. To many(some weaboos included) this mod is about creating a character. A unique character that you can choose to play whenever you want. That's the core concept that appealed to me and the reason I still play today. I can't think of many others who have been actively playing the same character for all this time. I became a ninja purely by accident. I had no idea or any particular interest in ninjas when I started playing, nor do I to this day. But it's the character I stumbled upon, and it's the one I still am.

To me, having eastern and far eastern cultures does not detract from the core idea, it in fact adds to it.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #119 on: September 27, 2012, 06:59:33 pm »
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Eh. Thanks for the kind words, Leshma.  :oops:

It's a fundamental difference of view, I believe. To many(some weaboos included) this mod is about creating a character. A unique character that you can choose to play whenever you want. That's the core concept that appealed to me and the reason I still play today. I can't think of many others who have been actively playing the same character for all this time. I became a ninja purely by accident. I had no idea or any particular interest in ninjas when I started playing, nor do I to this day. But it's the character I stumbled upon, and it's the one I still am.

To me, having eastern and far eastern cultures does not detract from the core idea, it in fact adds to it.

Yes more cool 1h shit. The world runs on 1h and spears, make it so. 2h should be something you do because you broke your shield.