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Offline Auphilia

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Whack A$@ Zashi?
« on: August 28, 2012, 01:21:06 am »
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Figured I'd try this again...

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Wakizashi VS Nordic Short Sword:

Weight -  1 vs 1
Difficulty - 4 vs 3 ---- Nordic Short Sword has a lower difficulty requirement.
Speed - 104 vs 103 ---- Wakizashi has 1 more speed.
Length - 70 vs 81 ---- Nordic Short Sword has 11 more length.
Thrust - 21 vs 23 ---- Nordic Short Sword does 2 more pierce damage.
Swing - 28 vs 28
Slots - 1 vs 1
Cost - 7,554 vs 2,334 ---- Nordic Short Sword is cheaper by a total of 5,220 gold.

Wakizashi is over triple the cost of a sword that is better or equal to it in all stats with the exception of a single speed point.



This just seems like extreme anti-weaboo balancing. If you don't want the weaboo stuff, take it out. If you aren't going to take it out, then at least balance it fairly please, that is all I'm asking.  :?

[EDIT]: The only argument given to explain this extremely biased balancing is "style". Because of this, I have made a comparison to other items who are balanced based on style. Not a single one of them is anywhere near a 5k increase to price.

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« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 05:51:32 pm by Auphilia »

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 01:25:05 am »
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Ass.

Just type ass goddammit.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 01:28:22 am »
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Don't hate on Nordmen equip! Only difference is nearly 400 upkeep. You cannot change the length if the model is that short, what do you expect?
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 01:30:40 am »
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I expect the difference not to be +400 upkeep for a sword that is clearly worse?  :rolleyes:


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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 01:40:51 am »
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Well, since when did upkeep actually really matter though. That's why you see most people using the best 1h swords anyway, that is 300+ upkeep. I always used the Nordic Short Sword though, didnt mind the low upkeep but the lower range in comparison to Nordic War Sword for example.

You get 1 speed for 2 pierce dmg (thrust!), which is a nice trade. There's nothing to do about range, though you are of course welcome to make a new model that looks nice.

By the way, do you know how amazing high speed and short range is in siege? I do, and loved that "weaboo" sword.

Higher upkeep simply has the reason for its style. You like it? Pay for it. :P
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 01:45:38 am »
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my 1h waki alt does alright.
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 01:53:55 am »
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You all are missing the point and putting up straw man arguments.

"It's only _______ more expensive"

and

"I can still do well with it"

are pointless arguments.

The fact of the matter is that a sword is clearly a better choice, and is also cheaper. If a sword is more expensive, its stats should be reflexive of the cost increase. We're not asking for the model to be changed so it has greater length. If a weapon is shorter but more expensive, perhaps the damage or speed needs to be buffed to match? A cheaper sword is literally better in all aspects. This should be adjusted or the sword should be removed. There is no point in having it in the game if it serves no purpose

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 01:58:37 am »
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I'm not saying it is a bad weapon, well never mind, it is a bad weapon...but the point is that there is no reason for it to cost triple the price of a sword that is clearly better.

As for your logic about "style" then why doesn't the long dagger, scottish sword, italian falchion, etc, cost more? Those are more stylish than their counterparts. Triple the price because of style? LOL. Why not triple the price of the nodachi and katana as well? Since they are so stylish.

I just don't see how the wakizashi is fairly balanced, even if you did want to make it more expensive for "style" it shouldn't be triple the price of its alternatives.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 02:13:41 am »
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This thread again? I'll just go ahead and get it all over with. Prepare your minds to be blown.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 02:17:35 am »
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I'm not a huge fan of the weaboo gear but the wakazashi, as it is now, is a joke.  Plus one for fixing/changing it from me.
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 07:42:52 am »
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Lol nice find, definitely needs some tweaking or reduced cost.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 07:59:46 am »
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Reduce the upkeep on the waki and then everyone is happy. For the record, the difference between 103 and 104 speed is nothing.

Especially me, since I'll be able to use it on my archer alt again - costs too much to use Yumi, Tatars and a Wakisashi.

This anti-Japanese bias really has to stop.

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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 08:01:04 am »
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Well why do you Japanese need so much fancy stuff into a sword =/ Of course it's gonna cost more!
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2012, 09:26:57 am »
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He is upset the item he uses for aesthetic purposes costs him so much. 
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Re: Whack A$@ Zashi?
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2012, 10:09:43 am »
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Nordic Short Sword looks like boring shit, Wakizashi looks great. You have to pay for style!
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