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Title: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: YnScN on August 15, 2012, 03:30:07 pm
In our Moonspeak, Immortality said that Cicero is using macros. I dont know whether it's true or not, But i wanted to learn if using them is forbidden ( or should be forbidden). By macros i mean some atack-movement combinations which made by another software that gives clear advantage. And also i want to learn if it's detectable. What are your opinions?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: wanteds on August 15, 2012, 03:31:57 pm
Its for GAAAYYYYY's.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Oberyn on August 15, 2012, 03:33:08 pm
I think it is personally. A lot of duelers on native apparently use them as well.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 15, 2012, 03:34:49 pm
It's unofficially cheating, never heard an official opinion.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Oberyn on August 15, 2012, 03:36:59 pm
It's like those my old friendgy graphics mods that make arrows and bolts look like flying tie-dyed dildos. Supposedly a grey area, but if it was up to me it would be considered on the same level as autoblock.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 15, 2012, 03:39:05 pm
Well macros are obviously lame, but if I was you I wouldn't start spreading the stuff from Turkish board to all over the forums. Cmp has already warned you about this.

Do not continue flaming outside of the locked forum, or you will be muted/banned.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 15, 2012, 03:39:45 pm
Well, if smone needs it he can do it if he wants it that cheap.
I love to adapt to every situation and try different moves,
macros would just bore me to hell.
But yeah, think I dont think competetive enough to be
on the same level like all the nerdmy old friends out there, I just
enjoy this mod, no need for macro stuff and rage or
big e-peen competitions.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 15, 2012, 03:43:57 pm
They locked the turkish forums!? Fucking epic.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: karasu on August 15, 2012, 03:44:53 pm
Oh boy, here we go again...  :|
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: LordBerenger on August 15, 2012, 03:50:05 pm
Emotality being Emotality. What's there to discuss?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: HardRice on August 15, 2012, 03:55:35 pm
Doesn't matter, anyways, only way to catch someone is through confession.

(As far as I know?)
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Turboflex on August 15, 2012, 03:57:46 pm
I don't see what you would macro for this game anyways. Maybe auto run button, or macros for quick commands.

What else? Macros for holds or feints? Doesn't seem like any kind of advantage.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: TurmoilTom on August 15, 2012, 04:00:03 pm
I don't see what you would macro for this game anyways. Maybe auto run button, or macros for quick commands.

What else? Macros for holds or feints? Doesn't seem like any kind of advantage.

Feints. In Native at least, macro-feints can get pretty damn fast. Really damn fast.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Latvian on August 15, 2012, 04:00:38 pm
how exactly would macros (whatever they are) would improove someones performance?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Babelfish on August 15, 2012, 04:02:32 pm
I don't see what you would macro for this game anyways. Maybe auto run button, or macros for quick commands.

What else? Macros for holds or feints? Doesn't seem like any kind of advantage.

Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 15, 2012, 04:02:58 pm
Feints are pretty useless with a balanced weapon due to slow gameplay in cRPG.
Holds and circling are much more effective (as1H) imo.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Spleen on August 15, 2012, 04:37:37 pm
No aimbot?

Boring!

We ranged need some cheatlove too!
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 15, 2012, 04:38:33 pm
No aimbot?

Boring!

We ranged need some cheatlove too!

Are you implying the flying pink dildos arent enough? :P
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: justme on August 15, 2012, 04:49:01 pm
give a new banwave :D
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Christo on August 15, 2012, 04:50:38 pm
It's something your normal client and player cannot do, therefore it's an unfair "edge" in the right hands.

I'd say it's up there with changing arrows and player models to vibrant colours to notice people earlier.
Cheap. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Rage_Guy on August 15, 2012, 04:53:43 pm
permaban
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tibe on August 15, 2012, 04:56:15 pm
I did not know that such a thing even exsisted.  :o Thats.........saddening. And here I tought playin fair and just practicing every day would get me a certain edge over those who have less playin time. But getting raped by some shithead getting extra help from third-party programs just makes you wanna quit gaming all together.

Hacks already ruined Warrock, ARMA and APB. Is Warband gonna be a hackerville soon aswell?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tzar on August 15, 2012, 04:58:25 pm
Is Warband gonna be a hackerville soon aswell?

No.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tibe on August 15, 2012, 04:59:41 pm
No.

Its not impossible. Native already has autoblockers and nameless headshotters. Not in a massive ammount, but enough...... Add this Macros thing + few other less known advantages  used by other playergroups and enjoy your shit.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Elio on August 15, 2012, 05:04:44 pm
Is Warband gonna be a hackerville soon aswell?
For the mofified files probably not, module update can easily detect changed files with checksum.

It's more a question of will than means.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: MrShine on August 15, 2012, 05:10:18 pm
Feints are pretty useless with a balanced weapon due to slow gameplay in cRPG.
Holds and circling are much more effective (as1H) imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8cVMhbrESHQ#t=572s
(debatable that Tobi is using macros, but damn those are some fucked up swings)

Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Zandieer on August 15, 2012, 05:13:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8cVMhbrESHQ#t=572s
(debatable that Tobi is using macros, but damn those are some fucked up swings)

This kind of dueling is just ridiculous. And if he is doing that without macros, Native duel is imba :?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on August 15, 2012, 05:18:15 pm
This kind of dueling is just ridiculous. And if he is doing that without macros, Native duel is imba :?

Native dueling is all about greatswords, news at 11.

M doesn't think he uses macros, plus it helps that there is no hit detection on the ground like in crpg.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 15, 2012, 05:35:19 pm
Macros would definitely fall under the category of 'cheats'.

That being said, lolfeinting manually is not terribly difficult (I very much doubt Tobi uses macros), nor is it very useful in cRPG compared to native. What *is* difficult is getting to the point where you can cancel out of a lolfeint into a block as needed (since your screen will usually be bouncing around a great deal).
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Fartface on August 15, 2012, 05:36:06 pm
Uhm I can do those feints without some program.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Turkhammer on August 15, 2012, 05:48:56 pm

So that's how people do that crap!
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Cicero on August 15, 2012, 05:55:35 pm
LOL this is so funny ; QQ MORE idiot immortality and kapikulu =)

I am playing this game for 2 years and if you are not able to win against me just find a spot and cry there =)

Actually i told immortality that some people are using macros to make combos like 4-5 mouths ago and for the record immortality's 9 of 10 sentence is a lie and the last one is suspicion =)

I play this game from keyboard ; Attack and Block everyfuckin thing is from keyboard and if you gonna try to blame someone think twice , but we are talking about kapikulu and immortality so the word "think" is not possible here.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Sarpton on August 15, 2012, 05:57:58 pm
Clearly cheating.  Why would you cheat in this game?  It's purely for fun.  I honestly don't understand the mentality behind it.   I often do very badly but when I do well it is very rewarding why would someone rob themselves of that feeling?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Oberyn on August 15, 2012, 05:59:06 pm
Because the fun for them is in ruining the game for other people. Retarded troll mentality prevalent in a lot of online games.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 15, 2012, 06:01:26 pm
LOL this is so funny ; QQ MORE idiot immortality and kapikulu =)

I am playing this game for 2 years and if you are not able to win against me just find a spot and cry there =)

Well macros are obviously lame, but if I was you I wouldn't start spreading the stuff from Turkish board to all over the forums. Cmp has already warned you about this.

This thread is not about you Cicero.
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Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tyr_ on August 15, 2012, 06:05:30 pm
But getting raped by some shithead getting extra help from third-party programs just makes you wanna quit gaming all together.



You don't even need a programmer for this. If you got a programmable mouse/Keyboard from for example Logitech (i dont know about others producers, i prefer logitech stuff) it is very easy to make makros for everything, they have a really decent software for it which you get with their hardware, you need no programming-experience at all.
Definitly cheating if someone is using makros to fight like the one in the video is cheating, but makros for Autowalk or for saying Sorry after th/tk are comfort^^
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Sarpton on August 15, 2012, 06:06:19 pm
Because the fun for them is in ruining the game for other people. Retarded troll mentality prevalent in a lot of online games.

That's a shame.  If your bad, be bad but be the best that you can be and be proud. 
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Cicero on August 15, 2012, 06:07:05 pm
This thread is not about you Cicero.
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In our Moonspeak, Immortality said that Cicero is using macros.
You don't know kapikulu nor turkish people ; this is thread only about me ; just check general discussion and find me 1 more topic that created by kapikulu ? Yea even this topic they organised a meeting to combine their english skilz to type 1 topic =)

Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 15, 2012, 06:16:44 pm
Well I'm out of this thread now. Don't cry to me if you continue this flaming and get muted by someone. I just tried to be nice and remind you of the possible consequences. I hope you guys could sort things out with PM's rather than doing it in public.

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Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Nehvar on August 15, 2012, 06:18:51 pm
I don't see what you would macro for this game anyways. Maybe auto run button, or macros for quick commands.

What else? Macros for holds or feints? Doesn't seem like any kind of advantage.

If you macro feints you can maintain almost complete control over your facing and movements while still performing complex feints.  That's a pretty big advantage if you ask me.

That's a shame.  If your bad, be bad but be the best that you can be and be proud.

Your sig makes me smile.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Cicero on August 15, 2012, 06:21:08 pm
Well I'm out of this thread now. Don't cry to me if you continue this flaming and get muted by someone. I just tried to be nice and remind you of the possible consequences. I hope you guys could sort things out with PM's rather than doing it in public.

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I am answering an accusation odin ; do not tell me those.

Also ; cmp or chadz my pc is ready for any check for 2 years ; find something and tell me i will give all my looms to this guy if they will find something.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: LordBerenger on August 15, 2012, 06:22:00 pm
LOL this is so funny ; QQ MORE idiot immortality and kapikulu =)

I am playing this game for 2 years and if you are not able to win against me just find a spot and cry there =)

Actually i told immortality that some people are using macros to make combos like 4-5 mouths ago and for the record immortality's 9 of 10 sentence is a lie and the last one is suspicion =)

I play this game from keyboard ; Attack and Block everyfuckin thing is from keyboard and if you gonna try to blame someone think twice , but we are talking about kapikulu and immortality so the word "think" is not possible here.

Emotality just got mad at you and since somebody was stupid enough to give him Admin over Turk Sub forums he tried to act like he was a big shot.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: wanteds on August 15, 2012, 06:30:17 pm
Cicero is not using macro's, he's the best real feinter I know.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Riddaren on August 15, 2012, 06:52:39 pm
Anything that gives you an advantage over the majority of players could be a cheat.

Then there are things that gives you an advantage but can't be considered cheating.
Either becauase they are achievable within the game itself or because they are accepted or used by the majority.

Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Butan on August 15, 2012, 07:01:30 pm
Macros are soooo easily spotted, when you see someone feints 6/7 times (sometimes even like 15 feints in 4 seconds :rolleyes:) in a row at crazy speed (impossible to do with mouse, just look at the difference between mouse AND macro feinting in the video above) and always doing the same 2/3 combos: you have a macro user.

Some really good players on EU_3 did it very often and the only thing you had to do to beat them was combo-break and if they were too used to people being on the defense while they feinted like monsters you could wreck their shit.


If there is a way to detect them, I would be glad to have them banned.
If not, just deal with them accordingly (hate + spam).
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 15, 2012, 07:10:25 pm
Quote
when you see someone feints 6/7 times (sometimes even like 15 feints in 4 seconds :rolleyes:) in a row at crazy speed (impossible to do with mouse, just look at the difference between mouse AND macro feinting in the video above)
It's not difficult to feint 6-7 times in rapid succession. It's certainly not impossible.

At any rate, feinting any faster than Tobi is in that duel video actually makes your feints easier to read (since people generally won't block until fairly late in the swing animation).
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Arathian on August 15, 2012, 08:29:00 pm
Oh, so macros can be used for cheating?

Too bad, I wanted to find how to make macros in order to auto type "you fucking retarded moron" every time somebody wounded me for no apparent reason.

Well, I guess I won't be doing that then.

This is why we can't have nice things indeed :/
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tavuk_Bey on August 15, 2012, 09:52:43 pm
inb4 emortality calls police irl for this case

btw ban ynscn for spreading the necro-bullshit from turkish subforum
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tonyukuk on August 15, 2012, 09:55:36 pm
immo: firstt beat bashibazouk_sehzade in duel and than you can speak about cicero..
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: LordBerenger on August 15, 2012, 10:03:20 pm
Anything that gives you an advantage over the majority of players could be a cheat.
  • Using macros
  • Installing a M&B sub mod (certain texture/sound changes)
  • Altering the M&B/crpg code yourself

Then there are things that gives you an advantage but can't be considered cheating.
Either becauase they are achievable within the game itself or because they are accepted or used by the majority.

  • Using DirectX7 instead of DirectX9
  • Turning of ingame music
  • Zooming out in 3rd person mode
  • Binding the action "jump" to a foot pedal controller
  • Using teamspeak or similar receiving valuable information possibly giving you an advantage

So binding the action ''attack'' or ''block'' with a foot pedal controller is okay as well? Yay
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Wojtek_the_Kurwa_Great on August 15, 2012, 10:03:37 pm
I don't see what you would macro for this game anyways. Maybe auto run button, or macros for quick commands.

What else? Macros for holds or feints? Doesn't seem like any kind of advantage.


If I was to macro I would write something to block / swing constantly in the direction I was looking at a max apm that the game would register until I decided to let go.

It would effectively chamber / block anything in that direction granted you were looking properly (I do this right now anyways but obviously not like a machine can)

Macros are also easy to write/do.  So Fuck you.

Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: BlackMilk on August 15, 2012, 10:05:24 pm
100% cheat.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Digglez on August 15, 2012, 10:49:17 pm
kinda of a moot point as there is no way to enforce this.  show me 1 game that actually prevents/bans the use of programmable input controllers

All you gotta do is make it SLOWER to block while doing a feint.  Kinda silly that a game with such great physics reduces weapon momentum/inertia to a basic "its either unbalanced and cant stop or its balanced and a 2-4 weight weapon can instantly teleport where you need it".
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on August 15, 2012, 10:53:00 pm
kinda of a moot point as there is no way to enforce this.  show me 1 game that actually prevents/bans the use of programmable input controllers

All you gotta do is make it SLOWER to block while doing a feint.  Kinda silly that a game with such great physics reduces weapon momentum/inertia to a basic "its either unbalanced and cant stop or its balanced and a 2-4 weight weapon can instantly teleport where you need it".

Yes, lets dumb the game down even more because a few people might be using feintspam macros.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vkvkvk on August 15, 2012, 11:06:31 pm
I just love watching these native duel videos and everyone is just feintspamming so hard in every possible direction that at any given time they're actually looking at the ground or at the sky rather than the opponent.

I wish the game didn't look fuckstupid nowadays, it reminds me of GunZ back when everyone used the actual game's mechanics until they figured they could do some fancy (Read: stupid looking) shit by breaking the animations and ohhhhhhhhHHHHHH BUTTERFLY SHOTGUN 360 SPIN ELEETPRO WALLSLASH.

I loved the old cRPG, not because of the gameplay or everyone being in plate and plated chargers. Everyone was just actually playing as it was meant to be played before fucked up and broken mechanics were discovered.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Digglez on August 15, 2012, 11:22:07 pm
Yes, lets dumb the game down even more because a few people might be using feintspam macros.

Yep, dumb it down by improving physics. 
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: TurmoilTom on August 15, 2012, 11:30:36 pm
I personally don't care if people use feint-macros or even autoblock.

The game is being reduced to the point where the incredibly high skill level that these programs simulate doesn't mean much anymore, anyway.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: wayyyyyne on August 15, 2012, 11:42:30 pm
The snail like combat speed we got in cRPG these days actually comes in quite handy. It's simply not viable enough to macro your feints because they're just as blockable.

Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vibe on August 15, 2012, 11:42:41 pm
Cicero's feints suck too much to be considered a macro, just saying

And it's not like feints (feint macros) are of any use in cRPG due to everything slow as shit

I just love watching these native duel videos and everyone is just feintspamming so hard in every possible direction that at any given time they're actually looking at the ground or at the sky rather than the opponent.

Would much rather feintspam hard than have blocking duels till the first guy gets bored as is in cRPG
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: duurrr on August 15, 2012, 11:58:27 pm
wow so gay
also explains a lot

vkvkvk is bad tho, playerskill too high for you on native obv
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: dreadnok on August 16, 2012, 12:56:50 am
In our Moonspeak, Immortality said that Cicero is using macros. I dont know whether it's true or not, But i wanted to learn if using them is forbidden ( or should be forbidden). By macros i mean some atack-movement combinations which made by another software that gives clear advantage. And also i want to learn if it's detectable. What are your opinions?

half the supposed good players are hacks one way or the other
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: duurrr on August 16, 2012, 01:03:23 am
half the supposed good players are hacks one way or the other
do you tell that to yourself to help you sleep at night?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: owens on August 16, 2012, 01:52:59 am
I have played against good players with auto block and very very good players without it macros are an advantage but not a huge one. Still spending so much time to be killed by someone with an advantage that is unfair is not fun.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Torost on August 16, 2012, 03:42:48 am
Many small advantages sums up... Looms , macros , custom textures, and gfx settings.
Some of these are more valuable than say an autoblocker(bannable), but since its hard to test for, and its a game, relative litte harm done, let people have their fun.Shady, but not cheating.

One simple use of macros not yet mentioned, that would be very usefull to an archer, is a macro for releasing the arrow with perfect timing, maxing holddamage every shot made. 0.50 sec hold before release.

Same with meleeweapons but that is trickier, since people block and move.


Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 16, 2012, 06:07:12 am
Since the idea of lolfeints only being possible with macros has appeared a few times on these forums, I decided to upload some videos. All of these feints are done without macros.

I don't spend a lot of time practicing lolfeints, so mine are sloppy compared to people who practice them a lot. Better executed feints won't shake the camera quite as much, and will make better use of the player model / camera angles to obscure attack directions.

Lolfeinting so rapidly that the feints are actually useless (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgIxikVcsrM).

Lolfeinting at a more useful speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMtrF5gopyY) (I don't actually hit the ideal speed until about halfway through this).

Lolfeinting combined with strafing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI0K1z3lMB4) (Again, I don't actually hit the ideal speed until around 2/3rds in).
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: dodnet on August 16, 2012, 08:32:51 am
Watching those native 2h duels makes me sick. All those idiots constantly looking at the bottom - it's just retarded. Gladly there aren't many of those retards in cRPG.

Using macros for feints and shit is really lame.

I tried to create some macro with Autohotkey for making voice commands like whistling easier, but it doesn't work very well... it gets stuck somewhere in the command menu very often. Gave up on this  :|

Lolfeinting so rapidly that the feints are actually useless (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgIxikVcsrM).

Lolfeinting at a more useful speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMtrF5gopyY) (I don't actually hit the ideal speed until about halfway through this).

Lolfeinting combined with strafing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI0K1z3lMB4) (Again, I don't actually hit the ideal speed until around 2/3rds in).

How can you play the game with all this shaking around? I would get headaches after a minute.

I'm not very good at blocking and I can't feint at all, but Im very proud if I manage to actually beat some guy and know its my own skill and not some macro that did the work for me  :D
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Huey Newton on August 16, 2012, 08:37:38 am
let them use it.
combat is slow.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: wanteds on August 16, 2012, 02:36:24 pm
Combat is not slow, ppl who say combat is slow are wearing too much armor. You cant have it all, armor or speed, not both.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: dodnet on August 16, 2012, 02:39:16 pm
Yeah, combat speed is fine.

Or maybe I'm too old...
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2012, 02:40:46 pm
for noobs
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Molly on August 16, 2012, 02:47:28 pm
for noobs
Perfectly good for you then?

Yea, shielder protecting xbowman was just one example.

If I see a horse coming to the enemy in front if me I try to change the angle in a way the enemy is facing his back to my cav guy. When I see an archer aiming at my enemy, again, I try to change the angle, try to time my attack with the reload of the archer.
We all know those kind of situations and yes, that is teamplay but that is the only teamplay happening and in 90% it's just by accident and happens once a week.

I'd love to see this kind of behaviour more often but you would need a smart inf, a smart archer and a smart cav for it to work and the smart-part is exactly the point I have high doubts when it comes to this community.
Atm the inf want the kill badly, the archer wants the kill badly and so does the cav too. Ends in teamwounding, ragepolling and cursing like a truck driver. That is the cRPG-reality.

The fact that actually everyone can easily kill as solo-hero isn't really helpful either. One of the reasons I hate the idea of making the game faster and that way even "harder" for "normal" players and better for all those elitist-2h-hero-wankers...
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Fartface on August 16, 2012, 02:52:14 pm
Macro´s are realy effective against average and low skill players who will panic and failblock it , but against good players they either just block it without any trouble or just spam and get an hit at you , while your macroing and looking at the ground it´s pretty hard to spot an swing coming.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2012, 03:00:01 pm
The fact that actually everyone can easily kill as solo-hero isn't really helpful either. One of the reasons I hate the idea of making the game faster and that way even "harder" for "normal" players and better for all those elitist-2h-hero-wankers...

Yes let's have the game slowed down so benkei and benkei- alikes can actually be useful and let's have anyone (or should I say everyone except benkei) who has at least a bit of clue at melee be bored because of it.

PS the 2h elitist hero whatever argument is getting old, this is about game speed which includes all playstyles, not just 2h whoring.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2012, 03:08:16 pm
half the supposed good players are hacks one way or the other

This is what a lot of autoblockers whined when they were caught. "UUUurrr everyone cheats anyways!! So I should too". Hmmm, interesting...anything you want to tell us, dreadnok?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: dodnet on August 16, 2012, 03:16:32 pm
This is what a lot of autoblockers whined when they were caught. "UUUurrr everyone cheats anyways!! So I should too". Hmmm, interesting...anything you want to tell us, dreadnok?

I LOL'ed  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 16, 2012, 03:26:30 pm
Why would anyone use a macro? I would never be satisfied if i won a duel because of a macro. Yes they are cheating, one should solely rely on skill not assisting software thingys.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Memento_Mori on August 16, 2012, 03:41:52 pm
This is what a lot of autoblockers whined when they were caught. "UUUurrr everyone cheats anyways!! So I should too". Hmmm, interesting...anything you want to tell us, dreadnok?


Yeah dread does autoblock, damn shielders... Good call Oberyn.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on August 16, 2012, 03:45:04 pm

Yeah dread does autoblock, damn shielders... Good call Oberyn.

To be fair, when troyicide got banned for autoblocking he didn't even use a melee weapon.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: dodnet on August 16, 2012, 03:50:08 pm
To be fair, when troyicide got banned for autoblocking he didn't even use a melee weapon.

He autoblocked with a bow? OMG... double hax!
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 16, 2012, 03:51:42 pm
Combat is not slow, ppl who say combat is slow are wearing too much armor. You cant have it all, armor or speed, not both.
This, second speed is turned up every gaysword my old friend using the most op two weapons ingame will rage at scimmys until they get nerfed.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Wojtek_the_Kurwa_Great on August 16, 2012, 04:14:32 pm
This, second speed is turned up every gaysword my old friend using the most op two weapons ingame will rage at scimmys until they get nerfed.

How ironic.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Molly on August 16, 2012, 05:04:55 pm
Yes let's have the game slowed down so benkei and benkei- alikes can actually be useful and let's have anyone (or should I say everyone except benkei) who has at least a bit of clue at melee be bored because of it.

PS the 2h elitist hero whatever argument is getting old, this is about game speed which includes all playstyles, not just 2h whoring.
With everyone - including me by now, at least to a certain degree - blocking most things, it actually makes teamplay more important. Can't beat the other 2h all alone? Get a friend with a longspear or some shielder to annoy him.
Speeding it up doesn't change anything on the lack of teamplay. Just gives the killwhores their score back. But I can easily imagine you would like that. Same for Vex tbh. Can't remember seeing anything else than running around alone and one-shoting people from him. Yea, I guess you would enjoy a faster game.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 16, 2012, 05:10:59 pm
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With everyone - including me by now, at least to a certain degree - blocking most things, it actually makes teamplay more important. Can't beat the other 2h all alone? Get a friend with a longspear or some shielder to annoy him.
Requiring two people (or backstabs) to kill a single opponent makes for really stale combat.

Skill-based melee is really the only thing Warband has going for it. If you lose that, then there's little reason to play the game. Blocking should be hard (or at least the consequences for missing a block should always be catastrophic). Blocking even a single opponent indefinitely should be an nearly unattainable goal.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2012, 05:23:19 pm
With everyone - including me by now, at least to a certain degree - blocking most things, it actually makes teamplay more important. Can't beat the other 2h all alone? Get a friend with a longspear or some shielder to annoy him.
Speeding it up doesn't change anything on the lack of teamplay. Just gives the killwhores their score back. But I can easily imagine you would like that. Same for Vex tbh. Can't remember seeing anything else than running around alone and one-shoting people from him. Yea, I guess you would enjoy a faster game.

Please do try to work those calamari you have instead of brains, alright? Faster gameplay would mean much harder blocking versus multiple opponents. Solo killwhores will have a harder time going versus teams.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Molly on August 16, 2012, 06:31:09 pm
Please do try to work those calamari you have instead of brains, alright? Faster gameplay would mean much harder blocking versus multiple opponents. Solo killwhores will have a harder time going versus teams.
That's just nonsense and you probably even know it yourself.

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Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: TurmoilTom on August 16, 2012, 06:34:41 pm
Man, I wish this forum had an ignore-option.

It does.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2012, 08:32:35 pm
That's just nonsense and you probably even know it yourself.

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Why would it be nonsense, faster speed means more failure to block even versus one guy, now multiply that one guy by lets say 4 and you get one dead hero.

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Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Protemus on August 17, 2012, 01:44:59 am
I blame Cicero
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 17, 2012, 02:32:57 am
It does.
*Ignores Benkai* Finally I won't ever have to read this shits shit.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on August 17, 2012, 07:12:18 am
There is alot of kids in this community that think they are good and use scripts and macros for all kind of things especially manual blocking.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 17, 2012, 10:39:52 am
There is alot of kids in this community that think they are good and use scripts and macros for all kind of things especially manual blocking.
Really? The last time I thought somebody was cheating, it turned out I had joined a native server that didn't enforce manual blocking. The vast majority of the players caught by the autoblock banwaves are no-name new players, rather than player who are considered good.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 17, 2012, 11:02:38 am
So thats how some people do these spastic feint combos..
Idk really though it does seem like an unfair advantage over others
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Cyber on August 17, 2012, 09:22:09 pm
Macro feints would not be useful in cRPG anyway.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on August 18, 2012, 12:52:41 am
Really? The last time I thought somebody was cheating, it turned out I had joined a native server that didn't enforce manual blocking. The vast majority of the players caught by the autoblock banwaves are no-name new players, rather than player who are considered good.

I am not talking about autoblock hack, but scripts and macro that make things easier for the player. And there is peoples script that make you swing faster too. Without mentioning there is probably client mod that turn all enemy weapons in a glowing weapon just to make it easier to see and block.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vicious666 on August 18, 2012, 03:20:27 am
LOL this is so funny ; QQ MORE idiot immortality and kapikulu =)

I am playing this game for 2 years and if you are not able to win against me just find a spot and cry there =)

Actually i told immortality that some people are using macros to make combos like 4-5 mouths ago and for the record immortality's 9 of 10 sentence is a lie and the last one is suspicion =)

I play this game from keyboard ; Attack and Block everyfuckin thing is from keyboard and if you gonna try to blame someone think twice , but we are talking about kapikulu and immortality so the word "think" is not possible here.


in italy we say the first chicken who sing made the egg..

he not accused you of anything.     
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: duurrr on August 18, 2012, 04:57:38 am
I am not talking about autoblock hack, but scripts and macro that make things easier for the player. And there is peoples script that make you swing faster too. Without mentioning there is probably client mod that turn all enemy weapons in a glowing weapon just to make it easier to see and block.
lolwtf

a script that makes you swing faster? god damn retards type so much random stuff ROFL
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on August 18, 2012, 06:59:47 am
lolwtf

a script that makes you swing faster? god damn retards type so much random stuff ROFL

You must be new to pc gaming br0?

In all first person shooters there is script that make you fire faster and also resetting your recoil to keep better accuracy so i think it could be possible to code a macro that make you swing faster.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 18, 2012, 10:41:54 am
To be fair, it is not really swinging faster, rather initiating the swing faster that might be possible with a proper macro (Like starting an attack the instant you stop blocking via macro-block/attack combo). But yes, it is theoretically possible though I do doubt that any significant portion of the c-RPG Melee Gaming community would bother using macros in this game of all games, much less figure out how to.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 18, 2012, 11:38:59 am
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Like starting an attack the instant you stop blocking via macro-block/attack combo
You can actually already do this manually by just holding your attack button down while blocking. You make sure you're moving your screen in the direction you want to attack when the block impacts, then you release the block button.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Friedturtle on August 18, 2012, 11:51:15 am
Bit surprised that no moderator said anything about it yet...

Think it´s cheating because you´re trying to get an advantage. Everybody should play the same game, without this bullshit.. There´s no need.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Kafein on August 18, 2012, 01:18:02 pm
Bit surprised that no moderator said anything about it yet...

Think it´s cheating because you´re trying to get an advantage. Everybody should play the same game, without this bullshit.. There´s no need.

Can't stop looking at your avatar and thinking that dog could say something exactly like you said with that pose.

I must confess, my mouse has macro compatibility and with one button stroke I can say "sorry". Also, using this has become so instinctive for me whenever I teamkill/teamhit someone, I tend to do it with all my alts (which lets you recognise me very fast if you know about that) and all other games as well. I'd hardly say using macros like that is cheating.

Please do try to work those calamari you have instead of brains, alright? Faster gameplay would mean much harder blocking versus multiple opponents. Solo killwhores will have a harder time going versus teams.

I agree with benkei here. If anything, harder blocking means higher skill ceiling and the elitist solo killwhore will have more chances against a disorganisable group.

Currently many combats end up when some party gets the numerical advantage because everybody got to the point in the learning curve where you can't really learn anything new that will actually give you a significant edge over someone else. Or if you do, it's some extremely lame engine exploiting through some shady character build.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: BaleOhay on August 18, 2012, 09:55:24 pm
I have seen my first examples of this while on battle once and on the duel server today. Guy in the top five using it.

Pretty sure I have dueled enough now to recognize when something is not right. He was feinting like mad while blocking. Just looked very odd. Lost that duel. Won the next against him when I just decided to ignore it and fight.

I would say a def cheat and advantage tho. It hides the actual swing very well.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 18, 2012, 10:03:16 pm
He was feinting like mad while blocking. Just looked very odd. Lost that duel.
Are you referring to me? We did duel once today (and I definitely opened with a Eurofeint), but I don't think we dueled a second time, and I don't think we played in battle. I can't think of anybody else who has been using Eurofeints much recently, unless some native players decided to stop in after I left.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: BaleOhay on August 18, 2012, 11:17:45 pm
not you saul. I know your style. It is just good. you feint like mad and block but I can discern your individual feints from your swings. Not that i block it any better. I have no doubt you play fair but are just better at dueling than i am. This happened after you logged.

This was a different guy and when i commented on what happened his response was yeah I know what you mean looked really weird to me as well and ia m the one doing it. No idea how that happened. Others watching the duel thought things looked off as well.

His feints were going and all of a sudden i would be hit. The swing that hit me looked no different then the ones that were fakes.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 18, 2012, 11:26:44 pm
His feints were going and all of a sudden i would be hit. The swing that hit me looked no different then the ones that were fakes.
It could just be a native duelist stopping by. NA native duelists have started using a lot more Eurofeints than was previously common.

When really well executed (unfortunately I'm not that good at them), they will behave similar to what you are describing.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: BaleOhay on August 18, 2012, 11:32:56 pm
maybe. In the second fight I attacked and ignored the feint mess and won without being hit.

You see any special native EU feinting fighters in the current Na top 5 saul?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on August 18, 2012, 11:36:19 pm
maybe. In the second fight I attacked and ignored the feint mess and won without being hit.

You see any special native EU feinting fighters in the current Na top 5 saul?
Not recently. Sarah and Ordyn on the Native side of things were pretty good with the feints last time I played Native (it's been a while now). I could easily see one of them rolling an STF just so they could get some duels in when the Native duel servers are unpopulated.

Deafening/MicrowaveYourHead (same person, solid duelist) didn't previously use them when I last dueled him in Native, but he could easily have picked them up. He's played a fair bit of cRPG in the past. Really, Eurofeints are becoming so common in Native that anybody who wants to stay competitive needs to pick them up. That will likely rub off onto cRPG, since there is a bit of crossover between the players of both modules.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: TaM1PiCh on August 19, 2012, 12:26:11 am
No aimbot?

Boring!

We ranged need some cheatlove too!

Makro is very easy hack Real Hackers make Aim bot-AimSmaller

Aim smaller

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Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Bazinga on August 19, 2012, 01:14:05 am
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Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 19, 2012, 01:41:47 am
Amk f1 ,f2 bas ctrl +f5 yap al sana aim bot hayla mal gibi çözemediniz amk liselileri
aim bot tw nin suçu gerizekalılar
aynı şekilde auto block hepsi tw nin sucu
twnin eksikliği multide swlerde otomatik blocklama özelliği olduğu için auto block var
aim de botları biliyorsunuz hep hs çakıyor aim de o yüzden var
This brings a whole new level to the definition of babbling.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: TaM1PiCh on August 19, 2012, 02:07:03 am
Dowload old ver. of warband (1.334 maybe) Open game and Open cheats , Enter The battle field (in SP) make stand on top (F1+F2) and press C and Press Ctrl+m ( archery points to 250-200) come Back to game
And Ctrl+f5 And Watch your Aim bot Bitches
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on August 19, 2012, 02:15:01 am
I personally only use the finest macro and auto blocking software.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 19, 2012, 02:15:05 am
Dowload old ver. of warband (1.334 maybe) Open game and Open cheats , Enter The battle field (in SP) make stand on top (F1+F2) and press C and Press Ctrl+m ( archery points to 250-200) come Back to game
And Ctrl+f5 And Watch your Aim bot Bitches
I understood you the first time, and I'll say again:
This brings a whole new level to the definition of babbling.
What you posted won't work, and even if it did it is still not an aimbot to have high wpf. An aimbot aims for you.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: TaM1PiCh on August 19, 2012, 02:16:42 am
SG!
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Mlekce on August 19, 2012, 02:25:36 am
macros are filmed moves that reproduce when you pres some button.
You ever encountered 2h that can very fast switch between attacks to confuse you? Some can do 3-4 achange attacks while i cant faint once in that time.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vibe on August 20, 2012, 08:10:15 am
macros are filmed moves that reproduce when you pres some button.
You ever encountered 2h that can very fast switch between attacks to confuse you? Some can do 3-4 achange attacks while i cant faint once in that time.

That doesn't mean it's a script. I can feint pretty fast and some native people (who are not scripters) can feint seriously fast.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Torost on August 20, 2012, 12:48:53 pm
Is this Aim-smaller addon allowed? As show in the turkish video above? Seems as shady as autoblocker....very usefull tho.
Or is it just a visual aid, the arrows still fly at random like before?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Bulzur on August 20, 2012, 12:52:37 pm
Is this Aim-smaller cheat allowed?

Fixed.
Do you really have to ask ? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: sjarken on October 29, 2012, 02:14:05 pm
Using macros = cheating. Not you doing those moves. 1 button superfeints suck
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Haboe on October 29, 2012, 02:46:42 pm
Using macros = cheating. Not you doing those moves. 1 button superfeints suck

Quote from: chadz
If we ban all cheaters we wouldn't have a playerbase left

So it makes no difference if they are seen as a cheat or not.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2012, 02:54:33 pm
The speed at which you can feint is capped by your weapon speed and effective wpf. Feinting macroes are not that useful in cRPG.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: sjarken on October 29, 2012, 03:00:57 pm
The speed at which you can feint is capped by your weapon speed and effective wpf. Feinting macroes are not that useful in cRPG.

So the unusual 10feints per sec dont get you off balance then?
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Vodner on October 29, 2012, 06:28:59 pm
So the unusual 10feints per sec dont get you off balance then?
Feinting too quickly looks like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgIxikVcsrM), which isn't going to fool anybody. Making it faster via macros is going to make it even easier to read. Deliberately paced feints that take advantage of the peculiarities of weapon animations are far more effective.
Title: Re: Macros : Cheat or Not?
Post by: Kafein on October 29, 2012, 07:24:00 pm
It's always best to mix, but essentially, the later you cancel a swing, the better.