pure builds are underpowered
Not sure if this would solve anything.War darts are not the uber one shot 1 kill weapons that worry me the most. With 120 wpf a char like this might not be able to use his top tier melee weapon so it does weaken him.
with Weapon master 5 you get 2 wpf's... 120/100
It might mean thrower hybrids would have to use darts, which excepting anti-cavalry, is a good choice anyway.
How will this not just make everyone go high agi builds instead? I like the idea of a requirements for higher tier weapons, but this will simply make people go 18/21 or similar.
Good idea to let horsemen dominate the game, no more inf. with Pike/Heavy Lance around. And by the way, to avoid throwing shit and arrows and bolts, use a shield. it works.
Yes. Nerf them my old friends who like to use weps without WPF.
Why are people always trying to bag on us str builds? With 36 str I should be allowed to use anything but I only have 111 WPF so I oppose said idea
Good idea to let horsemen dominate the game, no more inf. with Pike/Heavy Lance around. And by the way, to avoid throwing shit and arrows and bolts, use a shield. it works.
Because STR builds are cookie-cutters, while AGI is the underdog.
K first off I am one of maybe 3 people that are pure str so don't even start with that. Secondly AGI builds on REAL players will rape face. Thirdly I've always been pure str... like back when the agi players had 500+ WPF so again don't start
Christo, what do you think of something like this?
Hunting:60
Light:80
Crossbow:100
Heavy Crossbow:120
Sniper Crossbow:140
I think that WPF requeriments are easy affordable to be an hybrid or spec crossbowman.
Christo, what do you think of something like this?
Hunting:60
Light:80
Crossbow:100
Heavy Crossbow:120
Sniper Crossbow:140
I think that WPF requeriments are easy affordable to be an hybrid or spec crossbowman.
Christo, what do you think of something like this?
Hunting:60
Light:80
Crossbow:100
Heavy Crossbow:120
Sniper Crossbow:140
I think that WPF requeriments are easy affordable to be an hybrid or spec crossbowman.
The numbers look ok, but remember, the whole idea is to keep hybrids from using the top tier gear in a class. The top weapons are meant for the specialists, otherwise, there's no point in it. We're trying to balance hybrids out a little, right? Maybe what ever 5 WM is, when put solely into 1 weapon class would be the minimum for the top tier weapons of each class.
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5 or 6 PS for a greatsword, 15-18 str for a weapon that already has a str requirement.
130-150 wpf
that's at least wpm3 at lvl 30, higher end is what, WM5? WM6? (15-18 agility)
So you get the added bonus of screwing strength builds, do you want that...
It would certainly screw hybrids that go 120/100 with 5 WM, by lvl 30.
IF you add wpf requirements to every weapon, you ARE gimping lower level characters, making them easier prey for lvl30's, increasing the time they must spend with lesser weapons.
You also eliminate pure throwers/archers/xbows picking up a random weapon when they have to, and the unnofficial game of scavenger.
None of which addresses the problem of too much ranged players. I had already suggested halving stack size, but certainly there is also the danger then of even slower rounds, more hiding waiting for that perfect shot, etc.
Now if that archer/thrower/xbower, with power strike but 1wpf, takes up a slot with his own weapon, why should I be concerned about that - do I prefer he take an extra stack of ammo, then run away alot?
Many weapons already have a strength, powerdraw, or powerthrow requirement which works but could maybe be a little higher. The only weapon that could really use awpf requirement would be xbow because of the glitch that allows dead on accurate shots with 0 wpf. Maybe 0 wpf for hunting xbow, 25 for light, 50 for normal xbow, 75 for heavy, and 100 wpf for siege xbow.
So the whole idea is to stop people using xbows?
Also it will nerf pure str builds as they will lack the wpf requirement for the highest tier weapons while pure agi builds lack the damage output.
So what You are saying is that agi build would not ony be much faster but also deliver about same dmg as a str build?
Next gen 99% pure str players would just make 24str/15agi build and go 148wpf (pure on 30lvl) to use their Masterwork German/Cookies :) Hoooray for original builds!
I'd rather see all the hybrid/crossbow/junk thrower than 1/2 of people with pure builds (its just boring).
Oh BTW I'm pure 2h and I feel so special in the hybrid world :D
The reasoning behind the system : It'd be a boost for people that want to specialize in a weapon class, when there is currently no good reason tooYea no reason except more wpf, more skill point to spend and more money for better armor/weapon. Just look how poorly pure build do on the battlefield and how much hybrid top the scoreboard :rolleyes:
It's always sad to see a fullplate archer with a flameberg on his back..
Aslong as I can use my Balanced/Masterworkds Long Espada Eslanova with a 30/9 build, otherwise fuck you.
Fix'd :D
Edit: What about heirloom if suddently someone cant use their heirloom because of the lack of WPF thats going to suck, a lot.
Yea no reason except more wpf, more skill point to spend and more money for better armor/weapon. Just look how poorly pure build do on the battlefield and how much hybrid top the scoreboard :rolleyes:
also if you get powned by an archer with 0 wpf changing is weapon won't change anything you will most likely still get owned if he has a somewhat decent low tier weapon.
Although there is some good concept behind the idea (like for xbow )I m against anything that will make everybody more or less the same build
How can a min wpf requirement for every weapon bring more variety ?
For xbow a better and simpler solution would be to have a extremely terrible accuracy at 0wpf (butit seem to be hardcoded)
So what you are saying is that 21/18, 18/18,15/21,15/24, and 18/21 builds would vanish?
Not to mention that some people LOVE playing a hybrid, and are willing to sacrifice the ability to use the absolute best melee weapons to be a hybrid with say... Javelins and a Battle fork? Or a medium Crossbow and a Longsword?
Or, that nobody will play a DEDICATED crossbowman or archer?
Or the fact that some people really don't mind having a mid tier weapon as their top gear, like a studded warclub, Swiss Halberd, Elite Scimitar/shield, or Awlpike?
You can't project your preferences onto the masses and say "this is what they'll do" because you really have no idea. There are people that roleplay the hell out of this game, people that play it casually, and people that min/max to get every advantage they can get. I feel it's worth a shot, and would bring more variety and balance to the game than ever before.
Calm down!(no offense meant) :D
English is my second language so maybe sometimes I have trouble expressing myself.
Of course I meant people that min/max to get every advantage they can get :wink:
ok... *most* people with strength build would go minimum agi to use their heirlooms and put rest in str.
Some hybrids would also sacrifice their ranged/throwing for that.
And the problem is they would be *forced* to do so because they spent time and effort to get those masterwork high tier melee weapons and would rather sacrifice build for ability to use them.
No builds would *vanish*. Just the overall tendency of what we see on the battlefield would change.
I personally just don't like the idea of forcing players to make their toons non-hybrid or less str just to use favorite/thrice heirloomed weapons.
WPF Requirements for all weapons
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Hordes of peasants. Because with 150 wpf requirements you need 15/18 build to use Sword of War for example. And 18\18 build to use Longbow or Warbow. Make some math. This system force you to make standart builds. Lets call this Ultimate builds. Say No to variety, creativity and freedom.
But with 100 wpf req, this can be more interesting.
About horse and armor prof.
This time horsemansip is too easy. You trade 4 skillpoints, mount courser, take lance and gain possibility to dominate in the field. No trade-off, win-win situation. Also, horse can charge. It is weapon of itself.
Armor. We have some invisible penalty to wpf when wearing armor. But with armor profeciency you can remove this penalty, just invest some amount wpf to Armor Profeciency and use your weapon. Clear and simple.
This idea cant balance crossbowman\2h or polearm build
Level 31 (8 892 403 xp)
Strength: 15
Agility: 27
Hit points: 50
Converted: 12
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 0
Athletics: 6
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 131
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 150
Throwing: 1
Yea no reason except more wpf, more skill point to spend and more money for better armor/weapon. Just look how poorly pure build do on the battlefield and how much hybrid top the scoreboard :rolleyes:
also if you get powned by an archer with 0 wpf changing is weapon won't change anything you will most likely still get owned if he has a somewhat decent low tier weapon.
Although there is some good concept behind the idea (like for xbow )I m against anything that will make everybody more or less the same build
How can a min wpf requirement for every weapon bring more variety ?
For xbow a better and simpler solution would be to have a extremely terrible accuracy at 0wpf (butit seem to be hardcoded)
For throwing just increase time between projectile so that you can rush them.
Why ? it's like having a big sign saying "i'm slow as hell and cant aim for shit come and kill me."