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Title: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 13, 2012, 07:57:15 pm
When is it going to happen?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 13, 2012, 08:00:04 pm
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Tears of Destiny on July 13, 2012, 08:02:04 pm
Honestly I hope that they don't reset Strategus until the "new" version becomes significantly improved/different then the current one, otherwise it will be just a repeat of things.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Bulzur on July 13, 2012, 08:03:26 pm
And tell us a week before, so we can plan some "fun" battles with all the collected troops and gear.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Michael on July 13, 2012, 08:13:37 pm
Strategos is for full-time nerds only. With my skip the fun char I cant even play it - or I would be forced to delete my char every week and lose all my gold (again).

Give us part-time nerds a nice team death match server with a simple x1 no fucking weather/ night/ dawn/ dusk or upkeep I am certain a lot of players would appreciate it.
Unfortunately those players have some sort of rest-reallife and therefore are not busy sucking cocks in irc to get what they need.
I am their voice so give us a team death match.
I ll even say the word: please
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 13, 2012, 08:27:17 pm
Honestly I hope that they don't reset Strategus until the "new" version becomes significantly improved/different then the current one, otherwise it will be just a repeat of things.

Not entirely.  This version of strat has changed significantly.  You can no longer be effective if you don't play c-rpg.  Some of the bugs in regards to losing equipment you had equipped have been fixed (that plagued early on in this strat).  Some of the spawn points that allowed cities to be easily captured have been fixed.  Crafting prices were dropped twice as well.

I think one glaring issue is that on a lot of maps ladders go through the tops of walls and buildings, making them unreachable.  And improving fiefs hasn't been tested much as far as I know.

I say chadz should announce a 30 day window for strat to end, so people can dump money into improving fiefs (and hopefully have people attack the fief to test it out).  Try to fix maps that have issues with ladders going through the top of walls, and then start over fresh.

I think the best reason to start a new version of strat would be because of the change where you need to be playing c-rpg in order to be useful in strategus.

I despise coding/programming, but if you need a guinea pig to load up maps and test ladders going through tops of walls and buildings, I'd be more than happy to do so.  And I imagine it can't be too hard to learn how to fix the maps.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 12:27:56 pm
Hypothetical question:

Let's say that in next strategus Nordmen clan get wiped early, would chadz or cmp "intervene" to keep them in game?

I honestly think that after these recent incidents and acusations, developers should either reform irc clan or leave Nordmen clan or any clan that has serious ambitions in strategus.

Just my opinion, nothing more :)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Miwiw on July 14, 2012, 12:30:50 pm
Hah, you're funny.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 14, 2012, 12:31:22 pm
Let's say that in next strategus Nordmen clan get wiped early, would chadz or cmp "intervene" to keep them in game?

Has it happened before? No, no matter how much trouble we've had, and we've had our share. A stupid question that shows a really nasty attitude.

I honestly think that after these recent incidents and acusations, developers should either reform irc clan or leave Nordmen clan or any clan that has serious ambitions in strategus.

Just my opinion, nothing more :)

Opinion duly noted and disregarded. The devs have a right to play their own game, and as long as they want to be in our clan, they're welcome to it. It's not like they really have any role in the Strategus faction anyway, they're just victims of other peoples' malicious and ignorant paranoia.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: chadz on July 14, 2012, 12:49:37 pm
Let's say that in next strategus Nordmen clan get wiped early, would chadz or cmp "intervene" to keep them in game?

For anyone seriously thinking (I'm guessing you are not) this is a real possibility, I'd kindly ask him to leave this mod.

I know these are harsh words, but really: I would never play a game where I would suspect the devs capable of such actions. If anyone seriously thinks this might have happened before or might happen in the future, do the only possible consequence and turn around and find a different game. Because a game like this is not worth playing, at all.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 14, 2012, 12:58:39 pm
Wonder why in any other game I know, played or was admin at doesn't allow admins to take part in clans?

Simple reason is to avoid any accusations and doubts. I actually don't care enough about the bug and exploit infested Strategus to blame/accuse anyone. But if one thing has been proven than that there is doubt in the community.
And there is no need to talk it down because everyone saw a lot of respected players stating doubts about the "situations".

For me: It's less about blaming certain figures but about having the bad feeling in the gut that things are going the wrong way. Which is taking the fun out of it when you can't stop thinking that some things are fishy.

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If anyone seriously thinks this might have happened before or might happen in the future, do the only possible consequence and turn around and find a different game. Because a game like this is not worth playing, at all.

This was posted while I wrote the above. That quote is close to "no fun when things may be fishy".
On the other hand: beer gets banned but I can't remember reading anything about punishment for the ticket- and equipment-waster. Have you ever thought about how stuff like that looks to people? What kind of impression this makes?
I already wrote to cmp on a different topic (banner purge) that there is a huge lack of communication between staff and community. How about you guys make a statement about the "beer inccident and his accusations" telling the player base exactly what you did and what you're going to do? Cuz just making a post now and then, being all dramatic but not actually saying anything doesn't cut it anymore as it seems. Just talk to and with us.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Miwiw on July 14, 2012, 01:04:29 pm
Wonder why in any other game I know, played or was admin at doesn't allow admins to take part in clans?

What other game? Other MMOs? Are you serious about that?

You surely will never know if an admin in a MMO is in your clan or not. They're not gonna tell you that, they are not joining a clan as [Game-Admin]Name, they will play under a different name. But we're in a small community here, people know everyone, and then you want to deny the devs to play their own game?
That is really a bad attitude.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: bosco on July 14, 2012, 01:05:50 pm
Nordrones inbound!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 14, 2012, 01:06:37 pm
What other game? Other MMOs? Are you serious about that?

You surely will never know if an admin in a MMO is in your clan or not. They're not gonna tell you that, they are not joining a clan as [Game-Admin]Name, they will play under a different name. But we're in a small community here, people know everyone, and then you want to deny the devs to play their own game?
That is really a bad attitude.
Of all the things I wrote that is the only thing that stands out for you?
You're funny...  8-)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 14, 2012, 01:06:58 pm
Benkei, you're obviously a lot more sensible than some of your friends, but the answer is already in front of you:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35834.msg544645.html#msg544645

Panos got banned because he obviously deserved it. That's an easy decision. The rest is a lot more complicated. Why should they wait to address the other issues before banning Panos? It'd be pointless -- as pointless as all these tantrums being thrown now by impatient people even though the devs have said the matter is under consideration. Come on, guys, be reasonable.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 01:09:54 pm
Has it happened before? No, no matter how much trouble we've had, and we've had our share. A stupid question that shows a really nasty attitude.

You've shown yours, now it's time for me to show mine :wink:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 14, 2012, 01:10:27 pm
No need, Leshma; we've all seen it before, many times.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 14, 2012, 01:12:35 pm
Benkei, you're obviously a lot more sensible than some of your friends, but the answer is already in front of you:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35834.msg544645.html#msg544645

beer got banned because he obviously deserved it. That's an easy decision. The rest is a lot more complicated. Why should they wait to address the other issues before banning beer? It'd be pointless -- as pointless as all these tantrums being thrown now by impatient people even though the devs have said the matter is under consideration. Come on, guys, be reasonable.
I wasn't argueing about the ban but using it as an example for what people see.
Even if you read the thread from page 1 to it's end, all that is going to stick in the mind of most people is "Panos got banned for posting it and the cheaters get away."
That is an horrible impression and a huge fault in communication. That's why I wrote that some kind of statement like "We are nevertheless checking the screenshots posted. When we come to a conclusion about our next steps, we gonna update this thread. Until then it's locked."
Instead all cmp wrote was "You got a point, too bad you're Panos and since I warned you before I now gonna wtfpwnpermaban you. Enjoy!"

That was just stupid. And once more, I am not argueing about the ban itself!
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 14, 2012, 01:16:01 pm
Fair enough, cmp could have made it more clear at the start that he wasn't going to just ignore the issue. But it's clear now, so I can't help wondering why the drama is still going on.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 01:19:14 pm
beer got banned because he obviously deserved it.

This isn't about Panos, it's about you my dear Niko. You and your polish/russian friends. You could die a valiant death but you choose not to, and in next Strat I'm planning to participate with just one goal in mind and that's punishment of evil factions and you as part of them :)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 14, 2012, 01:24:31 pm
Okay, sure, whatever, I'm the Great Satan. Have fun with that, I'm not going to even bother arguing.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2012, 01:25:38 pm
What the shit, when was there ANY indication that Nordmen got help from the devs? All I see is some biased accusations without any facts to support it

aka

SHIT THREAD
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 14, 2012, 01:27:12 pm
Fair enough, cmp could have made it more clear at the start that he wasn't going to just ignore the issue. But it's clear now, so I can't help wondering why the drama is still going on.
Well, no drama for me, at least not about Strategus. As I said before, i don't really care.
I am mainly using the opportunity to demand - Yes, I chose this word on purpose - more communication.
There could have been a lot of drama avoided if the staff overall would communicate more.
I can 3 give examples out of the top of my head to make my point more clear:

Just post more about your work as staff and let people know what you're up to. Takes 20 minutes to write and post but saves 2 hours of handling drama. Transperancy is the magic word, I guess.

And on a personal note, only read it if you're interested...
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What the shit, when was there ANY indication that Nordmen got help from the devs? All I see is some biased accusations without any facts to support it

aka

SHIT THREAD

Well, actually reading everything might have helped to avoid you looking like a douche now.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: chadz on July 14, 2012, 01:33:06 pm
  • Saracens/Arab armour suggestion: not a single word of anyone responsible we have no one responsible for that. it's something that has been planned for a long time, but was never put into practice. just like many other things, our resources are limited
  • Latest Strategus drama: not a single word to the accusations and the plans on handling them both cmp and me stated that we look into it before we can do any proper response. in what way is that "not a single word"?
  • Banner purge: people get there slot deleted w/o really knowing why: not every player is just too stupid to read, maybe there is something not optimal in the way those warnings are displayed it's a new system and we still need time to figure out how to deal with it. it's a beta, after all


in my opinion, all of your points are invalid.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2012, 01:34:27 pm
Well, actually reading everything might have helped to avoid you looking like a douche now.

I read everything, it's a shitty whine thread.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 01:50:25 pm
No Vibe, this is a thread about new Strategus because current is rotten and boring.

I guess chadz doesn't want to talk about it, he's preoccupied with Panos. Like he feels guilty about banning him.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Miwiw on July 14, 2012, 01:51:56 pm
This round of Strategus isn't even running a year, and we have interesting battles starting again right now... why start a new round then?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Smoothrich on July 14, 2012, 01:57:23 pm
In strat 2.0, LLJK owned whatever gimmick clan most of the devs were in pretty bad and led to their coalition of the LLJK hating to fall apart around them, leaving Okin and friends stranded to wither away at LLJK's endless manpower assaults, effectively wiping them out of the game and leaving them to recruit in fallen lands for nearly 4 months of abject inactivity until that strat ended.

Of course, while LLJK was fighting for our existence against at least 5 EU clans that attacked us without provocation (including the devs), our accounts were constantly being hijacked, our armies being deposited into AI castles by people accessing our leadership's accounts, our rosters before most important battles were being completely deleted of most players minutes before they would start depriving 50+ people of a fun match we spent hours preparing for every time.. it was almost as if someone with dev or strat admin level access to the game were going out of their way to cause LLJK (and ONLY us, no one else had these problems) to lose a war..
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 01:58:16 pm
Not now, Miwiw. I'm hoping for a wipe in few months. Everyone needs some time for preparations.

And I think that next strategus can be successful even if old bugs stay unresolved. All we need to do is to remove those who like to exploit and cheat, after that remaining factions can keep playing civilized game of strategus :)

Also if evil ones lose on strategus they'll also lose desire to play cRPG, which will have same results as IP ban on those players just handed out by players, not devs.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: BlueKnight on July 14, 2012, 02:22:06 pm
Not now, Miwiw. I'm hoping for a wipe in few months. Everyone needs some time for preparations.

And I think that next strategus can be successful even if old bugs stay unresolved. All we need to do is to remove those who like to exploit and cheat, after that remaining factions can keep playing civilized game of strategus :)

Also if evil ones lose on strategus they'll also lose desire to play cRPG, which will have same results as IP ban on those players just handed out by players, not devs.

Ok miss cleverestest... Who's cheating? I want names.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 02:24:56 pm
Once a cheater, always a cheater. And thanks to okiN, Nordmen are friends of cheaters.

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: BlueKnight on July 14, 2012, 02:26:42 pm
Once a cheater, always a cheater. And thanks to okiN, Nordmen are friends of cheaters.
I regret I started discussing with you but once again tell me who and when cheats. Who are our cheating friends? Proves and names please.

GIVE AT LEAST 1 NAME.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Rebelyell on July 14, 2012, 02:28:13 pm
lol just stop, ALL OF YOU
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: BlueKnight on July 14, 2012, 02:29:41 pm
Wait Rebel, I want to hear who is cheating.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Joker86 on July 14, 2012, 02:43:11 pm
  • Saracens/Arab armour suggestion: not a single word of anyone responsible we have no one responsible for that. it's something that has been planned for a long time, but was never put into practice. just like many other things, our resources are limited
  • Latest Strategus drama: not a single word to the accusations and the plans on handling them both cmp and me stated that we look into it before we can do any proper response. in what way is that "not a single word"?
  • Banner purge: people get there slot deleted w/o really knowing why: not every player is just too stupid to read, maybe there is something not optimal in the way those warnings are displayed it's a new system and we still need time to figure out how to deal with it. it's a beta, after all

in my opinion, all of your points are invalid.

In mine they are not.

1.: You already implemented suggested stuff before. Who finally implemented it? Who decided those items are acceptable? And even if this person doesn't want to/can't do that again, there is still the possibility of a developer saying that there is a topic in the developer forum or something like that about the suggestion, and that it's being discussed. Someone made the effort to make a topic, other people made the effort to post on this, some people really put their hopes into it, so I think it's the least to honour this with an answer... by any developer.

2.: You did not state it. cmp just said that Panos had a valid point but ruined it (which rather sounds like "your point became invalid"), and you stated that "it's a difficult matter" and you are thinking about a system to prevent it in future. Which could also be understood like "I don't want to judge this time". Then cmp wrote that ironic post in italics, where he only says "because we didn't say anything people assume we are not going to do anything about it", which a) still doesn't really tell people that you will punish the particular players, and b) the people are totally right to assume this! What should they assume else? Believe that everything will be right... probably, eventually... ?

3.: If you don't have a system yet, it's perhaps recommendable to be a little bit more lenient to the people. Deleting a banner and telling them afterwards that it didn't meet the requirements is not a nice style, I would say. And perhaps not all people who lost their slots deserved it.


What happened to this (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1784.msg27387.html#msg27387) idea? What is with Leiknir?

You seriously need some kind of community manager (I suggest ToD  :lol: ) whose task is to check the forum for interesting, valid threads, ask the proper developers for a quick answer, and post it in the proper thread, so that people don't feel ignored by the developers 99% of the time.

And you need a new system for the suggestion area. Perhaps I will post an idea for this. But not in the suggestion area.  :lol:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Corwin on July 14, 2012, 02:47:31 pm
Btw, if anyone cares, there are already several Greys accepted by AI to defend Derchios from their allies. Namely:  Kalp_the_Godfather,  Enning_sokol_The_Grey, Rantrex, Nogu_The_Grey.
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Dalhi on July 14, 2012, 02:57:54 pm
Btw, if anyone cares, there are already several Greys accepted by AI to defend Derchios from their allies. Namely:  Enning_sokol_The_Grey,  Enning_sokol_The_Grey, Rantrex, Nogu_The_Grey.

And they are same guys that I've seen playing for AI in last few battles against Bashi/DRZ/Union/GO, so either they are morons or just probably like Rantrex (who doesn't use a tag for quite some time) are not active in strategus/TS, also knowing Hetman and Harpag does makes me think that even if whose guys left GO they were to lazy to remove them from faction. Back when I was in GO we had about 30-40% memebers that were complitly inactive for weeks but still noone even thought about removing them from roster as like it happened many times they might come back to playing one day. Get some other hobby instead of organising witch hunting  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: LordBerenger on July 14, 2012, 03:00:57 pm
In strat 2.0, LLJK owned whatever gimmick clan most of the devs were in pretty bad and led to their coalition of the LLJK hating to fall apart around them, leaving Okin and friends stranded to wither away at LLJK's endless manpower assaults, effectively wiping them out of the game and leaving them to recruit in fallen lands for nearly 4 months of abject inactivity until that strat ended.

Of course, while LLJK was fighting for our existence against at least 5 EU clans that attacked us without provocation (including the devs), our accounts were constantly being hijacked, our armies being deposited into AI castles by people accessing our leadership's accounts, our rosters before most important battles were being completely deleted of most players minutes before they would start depriving 50+ people of a fun match we spent hours preparing for every time.. it was almost as if someone with dev or strat admin level access to the game were going out of their way to cause LLJK (and ONLY us, no one else had these problems) to lose a war..

RIP BEST CLAN EVER!

Also,   OKIN AND HARPAG SITTING IN A TREE, K.I.S.S.I.N.G!
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Corwin on July 14, 2012, 03:01:52 pm
But wouldn't you agree that it would be better if this sort of things wouldn't happen, at least in order to avoid accusations about cheating?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Kalp on July 14, 2012, 03:02:18 pm
Btw, if anyone cares, there are already several Greys accepted by AI to defend Derchios from their allies. Namely:  Kalp_the_Godfather,  Enning_sokol_The_Grey, Rantrex, Nogu_The_Grey.
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EU_cRPG_3   Siege   12/07/2012 14:46   Druzhinaa:650no survivors   Derchios Castlea:780s:181k:599   10:2

Problem ?

Title: Leave Okin Alone
Post by: Nessaj on July 14, 2012, 03:07:19 pm
LEAVE OKIN ALONE!!! LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Dalhi on July 14, 2012, 03:09:01 pm
But wouldn't you agree that it would be better if this sort of things wouldn't happen, at least in order to avoid accusations about cheating?

As long as they are doing nothing wrong noone should care on wich side they play, it's quite epic experience gain from whose sieges so if they do not have a chance to get in roster for attackers they probably sign up for defenders or for both just in case. I also know that Harpag and other GO leaders always repeat to not to sign up against their allied factions, there even channel with descrpition on TS just for that matter. There are some conditions to get accepted for old UIF factions battles like presence in TS some time before battle, not everyone can make it, and most probably yours accustation is last thing they care about.
Title: Re: Leave Okin Alone
Post by: Gnjus on July 14, 2012, 03:11:41 pm
LEAVE OKIN ALONE!!! LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!

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I'm not worried about okin at all because I imagine that he's somewhere up there in the frozen wastes of Finland all bundled up in his cabin smiling at us, something like this:
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 14, 2012, 03:15:06 pm
It's an apartment building in sunny downtown Helsinki, but yeah, pretty much.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Lansamur on July 14, 2012, 03:17:51 pm
Welcome to cRPG, where malenerds with female avatars start rumormills bigger than those in Sex and the City, Proof isn't necessary for any decision as long as you got favors to call in and of course the whole devcrew is corrupt and cheating to further their clan's goals.

Leshma, pls delete your account and leave us alone. You'd do us all a great service. Shitthread is shit and beer will always remain banned at some point, cause that's how cRPG works. Can't have a MP-game without a scapegoat after all.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 03:33:34 pm
Proof isn't necessary for any decision as long as you got favors to call in and of course the whole devcrew is corrupt and cheating to further their clan's goals.

If I had proof I wouldn't ask that interesting question. Not my problem chadz got offended because I asked him that. chadz is most likely not like that but he's also not a saint. He likes having big community way too much and that's the reason why he allowed Grey Order to keep playing this mod after so many shit they've done in the past. That is a fact.

Are they corrupted or not doesn't matter that much actually. If they aren't, that's great.

But If they are in fact corrupted that's also interesting because playing a mod against corrupted players and equally corrupted developers is actually fun. I'm not like chadz, I wouldn't leave the game in that case because fighting "evil" is always interesting. Doesn't matter do you have any chances or not.

Leshma, pls delete your account and leave us alone. You'd do us all a great service. Shitthread is shit and beer will always remain banned at some point, cause that's how cRPG works.

Who are "us"? Most of the thing I've said in past few days were directed at okiN and some things were directed in chadz. Are you okiN or chadz perhaps? Maybe you should read that locked thread, especially that post by okiN where he is mentioning your clan :wink:

Can't have a MP-game without a scapegoat after all.

I'm not sure how to comment this.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Lansamur on July 14, 2012, 03:52:42 pm
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35834.msg544384.html#msg544384

This one? What about it? He mentions us as being the ones without enemy, which has been our agenda since the beginning of times, with different results for each Strat. One of the smallest factions ingame managed to get 2 villages and a castle, without much help from outside, if any (Legio got a lot of help from Union). Not our problem if people can't play peacefully with each other.

"Us" is the part of the community you're pissing off with threads like these. Rumormongering, qq and general hatespreading. And inb4 incoming request to not read threads from you: Thank you, I'll gladly do so in the future, even on the off chance that I'll miss something intelligent (which tbh is very low). I've said what I wanted, no need to try to lure me into argumentation.

Lastly: No need to, wasn't meant to be left with a comment.

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: BlueKnight on July 14, 2012, 03:54:53 pm
Lansamur went impatient :-)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 14, 2012, 03:57:43 pm
Lansamur went impatient :-)

He had only half a dozen sandwiches today, without a full dozen he can't function properly.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Lansamur on July 14, 2012, 04:21:40 pm
Haven't even had half a dozen :/
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2012, 04:26:32 pm
I guess chadz doesn't want to talk about it, he's preoccupied with beer. Like he feels guilty about banning him.

Lol, why would anyone feel guilty about banning that idiot? Infact cmp should recieve a fucking medal. And a second one when he gets rid of all his underaged braindead fanbase (on a good way there already it seems).
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 14, 2012, 04:39:35 pm
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Casimir on July 14, 2012, 04:51:30 pm
This game has become more about drama and less about playing, I'm out.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Turboflex on July 14, 2012, 05:00:37 pm
3.: If you don't have a system yet, it's perhaps recommendable to be a little bit more lenient to the people. Deleting a banner and telling them afterwards that it didn't meet the requirements is not a nice style, I would say. And perhaps not all people who lost their slots deserved it.

Banners are as important to the game aesthetics as any item model, they are right to be strict when they give players the priviledge to upload their own, cuz players proved it only takes them about 5 mins to ruin it.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gash on July 14, 2012, 05:04:50 pm
I'd like to see strategus as "rounds" being played like a game of Risk or Crusader Kings 2, where a round would last three to four months and clans have to compete to get in the top-whatever highest score.  Scores determined by ammount of fiefs owned, gold amassed, battles fought and the resulting losses.

For those who have played Crusader Kings, you know that the end score is based largely on acumulated prestige. Thus events like capturing a fief or fighting a battle while suffering little casualies would add points to your tab.

The winners of a round would obviously get bragging rights, but in order to avoid huge alliances there could be an added bonus to crpg, the more playeres in your faction/alliance the lesser the effect of your bonus as it is spread out accross more people.

Whats the whole point of this idea?  That strategus become less static, less camping and hoarding, that well esthablished power houses get rewarded for their efforts, but then the board gets wiped and a new round  begins (like a board game), giving all clans the opportunity to start afresh with a new strategy or approach.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

Take care


Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Serfonz on July 14, 2012, 05:18:38 pm
I quite like the sound of your 2 cents.

Would even make it possible for smaller bandit factions to get themselves on the high score if they are good enough.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Casimir on July 14, 2012, 05:26:08 pm
Yes, a more fast paced strategus with shorter rounds would definitely be better.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Tydeus on July 14, 2012, 05:28:39 pm
Not to mention, one that didn't directly benefit large guilds/mass alliances. That in itself would solve a lot of issues with strategus.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: LordBerenger on July 14, 2012, 07:47:12 pm
Make strat better - dissolve communist/badmin/hackers coalition.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 07:56:46 pm
Lol, why would anyone feel guilty about banning that idiot? Infact cmp should recieve a fucking medal. And a second one when he gets rid of all his underaged braindead fanbase (on a good way there already it seems).

His fanbase is either permabanned like him or stopped (will stop) playing.

On the other hand, you need to chill a little bit.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2012, 09:17:39 pm
His fanbase is either permabanned like him or stopped (will stop) playing.

On the other hand, you need to chill a little bit.

I'm completely calm. Just because I use bad words in a post doesn't mean I'm mad, you know.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Bjord on July 14, 2012, 09:37:52 pm
I'm completely calm. Just because I use bad words in a post doesn't mean I'm mad, you know.

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID CUNT.

I'm not mad, it only seems like it.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2012, 09:41:20 pm
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID CUNT.

I'm not mad, it only seems like it.

Well I can't argue with you. You are the master of mad after all.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Bjord on July 14, 2012, 09:44:25 pm
Yes, quite true.

Now fetch me a cluster of grapes along with the palm leaves and get working, knave.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 14, 2012, 09:48:29 pm
Lol, why would anyone feel guilty about banning that idiot? Infact cmp should recieve a fucking medal. And a second one when he gets rid of all his underaged braindead fanbase (on a good way there already it seems).
Coming from one of the biggest spammers this community has... kinda ironic.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 14, 2012, 10:01:32 pm
Coming from one of the biggest spammers this community has... kinda ironic.

Apparently within rules, as opposed to your butt buddy. Also I couldn't post such dumb shit even if I tried :wink:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 14, 2012, 10:08:07 pm
Apparently within rules, as opposed to your butt buddy. Also I couldn't post such dumb shit even if I tried :wink:
Most of time I actually think you already do but that's probably just me as "fanboy" talking, right?

You know what? Nevermind. I honestly don't care  8-)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 14, 2012, 10:10:19 pm
This thread was supposed to be about next strat and a reminder what okiN did when he joined UIF. But it's ruined.

So I'll save cmp's time and lock it.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 15, 2012, 12:19:26 am
Unlocked.

When situation get out of hand again, lock it yourself big boy.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: LordBerenger on July 15, 2012, 01:00:36 am
Unlocked.

When situation get out of hand again, lock it yourself big boy.

So....have you heard about Grey Order are about to backstab and betray DRZ and Nords for Templars? A well informed spy of mine revealed that confidential information.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Teeth on July 15, 2012, 01:20:02 am
So....have you heard about Grey Order are about to backstab and betray DRZ and Nords for Templars? A well informed spy of mine revealed that confidential information.
Finally, let's see how two clans with a 'win at all costs' mentality fight this out. I am guessing were going to see battles where the Grey Order side is filled with DRZ wasting their tickets and the DRZ side is filled with Grey Order wasting theirs. Look at all the fun they're having!
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Christo on July 15, 2012, 01:21:45 am
:prepares popcorn:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Wiltzu on July 15, 2012, 01:45:42 am
So....have you heard about Grey Order are about to backstab and betray DRZ and Nords for Templars? A well informed spy of mine revealed that confidential information.

I'm sceptical about this "spy" of yours.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Berserkadin on July 15, 2012, 02:24:39 am
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Rantrex on July 15, 2012, 10:32:49 am
Let me also make a whine comment.

As for players who remember how this strat started, UIF was hmmmm.... united? With, I think, same goal as in every strat: to take certain lands.
I also think this was from the beginning clear, that we outnumber everyone else. With Fallens, HRE, krapikulu and some other factions.

So with that number of players we could make more troops, cash, better equipment and fullfil every roster. Bigger one wins the most of times, I suppose.

The only option for next strat to no let UIF win it, is to unite on the opposite side (what's hard for many players I think, cause we're the only that great alliance[or am I wrong?])

-+No topic Part+-

And about Derchios castle - as signed on the opposite side I killed 40 ppl, took 1mln exp for that, called a "cheater" everyone on the battlefield and felt how's that to fight against how you call it "The mighty alliance".
It's quite funny (on my  side), exp is good so what's the bad thing?

AAaaaaa, owner of the castle? Collect army and try to take it back. It was attacked 4 times (if my information is correct) by BarLas, Druzhina, CA and finally The Empire. And if I'm not wrong, both sided filled castle with troops.

-+No topic Part+-

(yup, I'm trolling)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Olwen on July 15, 2012, 10:47:14 am
For anyone seriously thinking (I'm guessing you are not) this is a real possibility, I'd kindly ask him to leave this mod.

I know these are harsh words, but really: I would never play a game where I would suspect the devs capable of such actions. If anyone seriously thinks this might have happened before or might happen in the future, do the only possible consequence and turn around and find a different game. Because a game like this is not worth playing, at all.

you've always been an aboozer

you killed the mod
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 15, 2012, 11:32:04 am
Half of ppl that are posting here needs professional help.
As usual, nothing important to help out this community doesnt happen.

Most of guys just whine and qq. Guys stop being annoying and destructive.

And don't quote me, thread is about next strat who shouldn't start yet because,
Wherever something happens, reply from devs is kinda like; this is beta.
I guess it will always be beta so no point in starting new seisson before this is patched and v1.0 released.

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: ArysOakheart on July 15, 2012, 12:01:44 pm
Next strat? Free Peasants of Fisdnar claim Fisdnar.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Matey on July 15, 2012, 01:18:03 pm
For anyone seriously thinking (I'm guessing you are not) this is a real possibility, I'd kindly ask him to leave this mod.

I know these are harsh words, but really: I would never play a game where I would suspect the devs capable of such actions. If anyone seriously thinks this might have happened before or might happen in the future, do the only possible consequence and turn around and find a different game. Because a game like this is not worth playing, at all.

i know im late to the party here but im not super active on forums these days... anyways... I do remember fighting some nord affiliates and being against a ton of devs... and 90% of our players getting disconnected every 5 seconds and then spawning naked when they rejoin and us losing our flags as a result... and then nothing ever being done about it; at which point many of us took chadz advice and stopped playing strat (and in many cases cRPG).

that being said, most of us have come back (to crpg... very few of us have been active in strat since) and if strat 4.0 ever rolls out then if we like the look of it we will prolly play it again. I dont really think there was any malicious intent in the issue we faced, it was just disappointing that the devs were obviously aware of the occurance as many of them witnessed it first hand and yet they never bothered to do anything to make up for the huge loss of troops and gear that went directly to our enemies.

for reference of what im talking about you can check this thread http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,22611.0.html
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: LordBerenger on July 15, 2012, 01:18:11 pm
I'm sceptical about this "spy" of yours.

DUDE..when CMP gives me confidential info it's a FACT! ALLAH IS GREAT!
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 15, 2012, 01:33:30 pm
Let me also make a whine comment.

As for players who remember how this strat started, UIF was hmmmm.... united? With, I think, same goal as in every strat: to take certain lands.
I also think this was from the beginning clear, that we outnumber everyone else. With Fallens, HRE, krapikulu and some other factions.

So with that number of players we could make more troops, cash, better equipment and fullfil every roster. Bigger one wins the most of times, I suppose.

Yes, except as previously pointed out by someone within your own clan, about 40% of your guys were inactive. Of course it's a lot easier to make more troops, cash and equipment when you have one or two people with everyone's passwords "coordinating" all those inactives. Too bad the gravy train of inactive crafting slaves had to end, right? ;(
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: autobus on July 15, 2012, 01:37:54 pm
Yes, except as previously pointed out by someone within your own clan, about 40% of your guys were inactive. Of course it's a lot easier to make more troops, cash and equipment when you have one or two people with everyone's passwords "coordinating" all those inactives.

proof?

edit: proof of "about 40% of your guys were inactive" and "you have one or two people with everyone's passwords "coordinating" all those inactives"
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 15, 2012, 01:39:39 pm
^^^^

Back when I was in GO we had about 30-40% memebers that were complitly inactive for weeks but still noone even thought about removing them from roster as like it happened many times they might come back to playing one day.

Oh Dalhi, of course they wouldn't remove them from roster, they wouldn't be able to use them otherwise.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Micah on July 15, 2012, 01:57:02 pm
shame on all of you who accuse devs or admins to be corrupted and blaming them to split the community and such BS. you are the only ones that cause the very problems you are addressing. also you make those people feel bad that actually try to make this game better by spending much of their free time to deal with many problems so that you can play this game. you should imagine to be in their position and suddenly people like you come and talk such shit. i can only agree with chadz , go and find a different game pls ! coz i dont like you to be part of this community. shame on you...
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 15, 2012, 02:10:14 pm
proof?

edit: proof of "about 40% of your guys were inactive" and "you have one or two people with everyone's passwords "coordinating" all those inactives"

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: autobus on July 15, 2012, 02:13:01 pm
oh. nvm then.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Protemus on July 15, 2012, 02:27:25 pm
I just love how oKin said on 1st page that Panos got banned because he deserved it (oKin wants to say he got banned for exploiting truth about cheating in Strategus,and how Admins like himself not only tolerate this,but actualy aprove it)

oKin man,screenshots ain't lying,Panos can lie yes,screenshots,NOPE

and I still don't get it why developers are available to be in clans,nevertless is that Nord or any other,I mean,they are HUMANS as we are,they have FEELINGS as we do,and if developer like cmp who are probably in one clan pretty long,it's NORMAL he will defend his fellow clanmates,I understand that and therefor they CAN'T make fair decisions for others,developer must be for himself,and answer to his boss only (in this case chadz)

I DEMAND justice,for as much as I see,there is a big LACK of it,Devs who are in clans,Admins who aprove cheating and ban those who GIVE PROOF about cheatings,for now,this community is awful,I really hope it will get better

Once again...I understand neither Devs or Admins are perfect,you are humans as we are and you do mistakes,but trying to hide OBVIUS cheating is unbeliveable
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Dalhi on July 15, 2012, 02:28:10 pm
Do the math and count 30 percent out of 120 people  :rolleyes:, it's still  a lot of players. And mister fail detective you do realize that issue called account sharing was about strategus 2, it was explained several times but if you are still obsessed about that it's not my problem.

Yes, except as previously pointed out by someone within your own clan

Oh and I am not in GO for half a year.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Araxiel on July 15, 2012, 04:11:58 pm
Don't play in the next strat. I will do that. Just let Grey Order, Drz and Union have their fun together with their allies.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 15, 2012, 04:32:08 pm
and I still don't get it why developers are available to be in clans

You do know that developers are 90% of the time themselves in clans, and usually in some of the best clans in their own game, though most use fake aliases to avoid silly people screaming foul and conjuring up insane conspiracies. This goes for every game genre out there (though when it come to FPS most developers themselves are quite bad at their own games). There's a trillion examples of developers in clans, that's the norm!

Secondly, just because Panos got banned doesn't mean nothing has (and is) being done about the issue he wrote about, he wasn't -- as have been explained a million times now but people always prefer to just read 3 lines of the first post and then post their presumptions instead of reading everything and then forming an opinion -- banned for posting the screenshots, anyone believing that should really look at themselves and their way of comprehending information.

They've asked plenty of times now on how to combat the issue and people are, as you can see in the suggestion forum, writing about their ideas in a constructive manner... You should try it sometime...

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Protemus on July 15, 2012, 04:43:02 pm
I'm aware he's not banned because of screenshot spam...he's banned for discovering conspiracy in Strategus,Greys being able to play for AI (yes you can do that) but those on AI dying on purpose,opening gates on purpose and similiar griefs and Admins aren't giving a SINGLE fuck about it...I like to think about that MAYBE Admins are overwhelmed by information and MAYBE they can't see everything,that's how I think

That's only ONE example of how effective Admins are when cheatings are happening in FRONT OF THEIR EYES

You do know that developers are 90% of the time themselves in clans, and usually in some of the best clans in their own game, though most use fake aliases to avoid silly people screaming foul and conjuring up insane conspiracies. This goes for every game genre out there (though when it come to FPS most developers themselves are quite bad at their own games). There's a trillion examples of developers in clans, that's the norm!

I agree it's normal,but when Devs who are in clan start aboozing their powers because someone from their clan or alliance (talking about Strat) is about to be discovered for griefing and cheating,hmmm....that's a bit to much for me,don't you think so ?

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 15, 2012, 05:04:17 pm
I agree it's normal,but when Devs who are in clan start aboozing their powers because someone from their clan or alliance (talking about Strat) is about to be discovered for griefing and cheating,hmmm....that's a bit to much for me,don't you think so ?

You're asking a question I already provided an answer to in the first post.

Secondly, just because Panos got banned doesn't mean nothing has (and is) being done about the issue he wrote about, he wasn't -- as have been explained a million times now but people always prefer to just read 3 lines of the first post and then post their presumptions instead of reading everything and then forming an opinion -- banned for posting the screenshots, anyone believing that should really look at themselves and their way of comprehending information.

Please comprehend that he was banned for his awful manners and attitude. It wasn't the first time either.

Then comprehend that the issue he wrote about is being worked on by the devs.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Dalhi on July 15, 2012, 05:23:05 pm
I agree it's normal,but when Devs who are in clan start aboozing their powers because someone from their clan or alliance (talking about Strat) is about to be discovered for griefing and cheating,hmmm....that's a bit to much for me,don't you think so ?

Does chadz and cmp are any usefull in Strategus faction?  :lol: I doubt that, like I doubt that they give a fuck about Nordmen allies in strategus. I did watched Panos screenshots carefully, at least half of them is about some stupid e-pen competition, and maybe in 2 or 3 there are few individuals that deserved some kind of punishment for not showing up or having surprisingly awfull scores. I also checked the rosters of the few battles that I was playing lately, I didin't find anything suspicious there, and as far as I remeber whose battles there were two or three random guys that were poll kicked for leecheing/wasting tickets. And even if some guys do apply against allied factions it is faaaar from making it a real issue that starts from faction leaders. If you will ever again see someone suiciding/sucking up evidantally on purpose make a video or screenshots and start a proper ban request on this guy. Behaving like paranoid twat and seeing conspiracy theories everywhere around you is not the way to solve this kind of a matter.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 15, 2012, 05:39:04 pm
chadz's and cmp's justice is very selective. They never truly punished Grey order for all the shit they've done in the past but they did fuck up Fallen Brigade which didn't have same intentions as GO but were punished a lot more severely. After that Fallen Brigade lost interest in strategus.

chadz needs to realize that we aren't the same. That there two parts of this community, first which consists of decent players and the other one which are basically scum. He still has time to fix that mistake.

If he doesn't do that on time, most decent people will leave this mod and he'll be surrounded by scumbags.

When you're surrounded by bad people, no one cares are you good or not. You become one of them.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Protemus on July 15, 2012, 05:44:21 pm
nicely said Leshma,remember what happend when chadz found out that Harpag had 100 accounts turned on in the same time from one ID

Harpag was like: "nah,the rest of mine 99 friends live in the same house and we use same connection,everything is cool,we just had some orgy's and shit like that,you can unban me now chadz" which in fact he did....WHY !?

that should be permaban !!!! How can someone belive that he have 99 friends in same *ucking house and that this is the reason why he had so many accounts,that's just insane
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Tzar on July 15, 2012, 05:47:15 pm
I think all these issues could be solved if they nerfed ranged.

EDIT: Except throwing offcourse
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 15, 2012, 05:50:30 pm
I think all these issues could be solved if they nerfed ranged.

Quote from: Paul
No worries. We don't listen to Tzar. He's on the special persons list.

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 15, 2012, 05:53:06 pm
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Protemus on July 15, 2012, 05:56:30 pm
I know that feeling Cooties...truth is sometimes shocking
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Olwen on July 15, 2012, 05:58:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8SWMAQYQf0&feature=related
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 15, 2012, 06:01:20 pm
I know that feeling Cooties...truth is sometimes shocking

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 15, 2012, 06:07:35 pm
It is known fact that Harpag takes strategus a little bit too seriously and likes to treaten his allies when they aren't obeying his orders.

But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Dalhi on July 15, 2012, 06:08:18 pm
It is known fact that Harpag takes strategus a little bit too seriously and likes to treaten his allies when they aren't obeying his orders.

But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Miwiw on July 15, 2012, 06:10:43 pm
But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?

He loves us?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: _GTX_ on July 15, 2012, 06:10:58 pm
It is known fact that Harpag takes strategus a little bit too seriously and likes to treaten his allies when they aren't obeying his orders.

But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?

Sure u aint taking this a little too seriously?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 15, 2012, 06:13:43 pm
He loves us?

No, he doesn't like you. He likes what you represent. Similar to a man who likes his 60 years old wife multimillioner wife :wink:

Nordmen hanging out with Grey Order doesn't make GO look any better in eyes of this community, but it makes Nordmen look worse.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: cmp on July 15, 2012, 06:15:16 pm
But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 15, 2012, 06:19:40 pm
It is known fact that Harpag takes strategus a little bit too seriously and likes to treaten his allies when they aren't obeying his orders.

But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?

Hmm...

You're right.

Harpag is actually one of the 5 most wanted criminals in EU to come out of Poland: http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_news_story-893-five_most_wanted.php (http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_news_story-893-five_most_wanted.php)

Maybe he's threatening cmp and chadz with his criminal connections, and they have no way of stopping him due to the Schengen Agreement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement).

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Protemus on July 15, 2012, 06:23:46 pm
being allied with clan who's half members are Admins or just having admin's rights without being officaly Admins and having two or more Devs in it (first is cmp,second is unofficaly chadz) yeah,I bet you'll use that "friendship" to secretly use a cheat or two

-yeah I'm trolling now but there is some truth in here

Hmm...

You're right.

Harpag is actually one of the 5 most wanted criminals in EU to come out of Poland: http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_news_story-893-five_most_wanted.php (http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_news_story-893-five_most_wanted.php)

Maybe he's threatening cmp and chadz with his criminal connections, and they have no way of stopping him due to the Schengen Agreement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement).

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Cooties you're being same as most of community who knows about what fishy things you're (not you literaly but overall some people) doing...you just start to write nonsences and try to be funny with random gifs and links,yeah,

You can run from truth,but you can't hide forever,you'll see,everything comes up,even the dirtiest secrets
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Vibe on July 15, 2012, 06:24:53 pm
It is known fact that Harpag takes strategus a little bit too seriously and likes to treaten his allies when they aren't obeying his orders.

But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 15, 2012, 06:47:06 pm
being allied with clan who's half members are Admins or just having admin's rights without being officaly Admins and having two or more Devs in it (first is cmp,second is unofficaly chadz) yeah,I bet you'll use that "friendship" to secretly use a cheat or two

-yeah I'm trolling now but there is some truth in here

Cooties you're being same as most of community who knows about what fishy things you're (not you literaly but overall some people) doing...you just start to write nonsences and try to be funny with random gifs and links,yeah,

You can run from truth,but you can't hide forever,you'll see,everything comes up,even the dirtiest secrets

I know nothing of it is meant on me personally but given I do run the Nords these days - together with okiN - both out of the game and in Strategus, I know everything that is going on and there is in no way any sort of grand conspiracy going on here. In fact, as I've posted examples of this a couple of times in other threads where this same Nord favouritism nonsense come up, we've been hurt plenty by changes done to Strategus or C-RPG, some of them even nullifying weeks of our work. Neither chadz nor cmp tells us anything, of course, because that would be unfair. Nords also gets banned plenty when they act foolishly in-game, by our own Nord admins. Plus we've had more Nords trying to become admins who have been denied that, repeatedly (hi koldborn, siege must die for the World to survive, don't you get it?).

IMHO all this nonsense should stop and people should come up with a proper thought-out idea on how to prevent players wasting tickets, because that is a very perculiar issue to solve, plenty of people are extremely bad at melee gaming, those who get minus kills and plentiful of deaths, they're not doing it to waste tickets, they're just god awful players, which is also the reason why they're not picked for the initial battles, everyone is just too nice to lay it out like that and blame it on lack of roster space.

However, instead of spending all our energy and efforts on solving this issue and contributing in a constructive manner, we all focus on this conspiracy nonsense, which have been asked and answered a trillion times, he did not get banned due to posting the information but due to his behaviour and attitude following it (and in the actual post as well), given he's been banned in the past for the same thing I don't see how that is any sort of issue, but apparently that fact is more important than discussing how to solve what he posted about, even though that is hilariously what all these people ranting right now claim they're doing.

YOSEMITE?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Wiltzu on July 15, 2012, 07:10:09 pm
It is known fact that Harpag takes strategus a little bit too seriously and likes to treaten his allies when they aren't obeying his orders.

But never does that with his newest ally, Nordmen clan. Do you know why, Cooties?


Cause of our nice Strat battles teamplay?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: autobus on July 15, 2012, 07:19:55 pm
I know nothing of it is meant on me personally but given I do run the Nords these days - together with okiN - both out of the game and in Strategus, I know everything that is going on and there is in no way any sort of grand conspiracy going on here. In fact, as I've posted examples of this a couple of times in other threads where this same Nord favouritism nonsense come up, we've been hurt plenty by changes done to Strategus or C-RPG, some of them even nullifying weeks of our work. Neither chadz nor cmp tells us anything, of course, because that would be unfair. Nords also gets banned plenty when they act foolishly in-game, by our own Nord admins. Plus we've had more Nords trying to become admins who have been denied that, repeatedly (hi koldborn, siege must die for the World to survive, don't you get it?).

IMHO all this nonsense should stop and people should come up with a proper thought-out idea on how to prevent players wasting tickets, because that is a very perculiar issue to solve, plenty of people are extremely bad at melee gaming, those who get minus kills and plentiful of deaths, they're not doing it to waste tickets, they're just god awful players, which is also the reason why they're not picked for the initial battles, everyone is just too nice to lay it out like that and blame it on lack of roster space.

However, instead of spending all our energy and efforts on solving this issue and contributing in a constructive manner, we all focus on this conspiracy nonsense, which have been asked and answered a trillion times, he did not get banned due to posting the information but due to his behaviour and attitude following it (and in the actual post as well), given he's been banned in the past for the same thing I don't see how that is any sort of issue, but apparently that fact is more important than discussing how to solve what he posted about, even though that is hilariously what all these people ranting right now claim they're doing.

YOSEMITE?

No. How about we do it the only right way possible:
1) Ban half of existing strategus playerbase (UIF and allies), they are scum and also one of them helped 99 others with management.
2) Permaban everyone who was banned before. Even those who was pollbanned. Once a cheater is always a cheater.
3) Ban all dev team because they were hiding UIF wrongdoings.
4) Beg panos to come back and unban his 1st CDkey, he was always right.
5) Block the game for polaks, turks and ruskies, we do not want them in here.
6) USA USA USA USA USA
7) ???????
8) Profit.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Micah on July 15, 2012, 07:25:35 pm
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i alwas knew chadz is an alien  :shock:

Cooties you're being same as most of community who knows about what fishy things you're (not you literaly but overall some people) doing...you just start to write nonsences and try to be funny with random gifs and links,yeah,

You can run from truth,but you can't hide forever,you'll see,everything comes up,even the dirtiest secrets

Protemus, in all honesty, you and me and some other people here should become friends and take a nice long walk to get a clear head  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Protemus on July 15, 2012, 07:48:34 pm
Well I gave you +1 Cooties for nice speach you had there,and I mostly agree with you,but anyway,enough of this,let's move to another thread,this is going in a wrong way
    -good luck all,we'll see what will happen in near future with all this
Title: Re: Next strategus
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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 15, 2012, 07:57:20 pm

If he doesn't do that on time, most decent people will leave this mod and he'll be surrounded by scumbags.

Gib looms

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 15, 2012, 08:01:49 pm
Hmm...

You're right.

Harpag is actually one of the 5 most wanted criminals in EU to come out of Poland: http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_news_story-893-five_most_wanted.php (http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_news_story-893-five_most_wanted.php)

Maybe he's threatening cmp and chadz with his criminal connections, and they have no way of stopping him due to the Schengen Agreement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement).

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Hey can someone make a poll in this thread for us to try and guess which one of these guys is actually Harpag ? Something like this:

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Rantrex on July 15, 2012, 08:15:30 pm
That's sad. How many persons were shown on those screens, who were doing wrong? 10? With 200 active players of UIF (mayybe more, maybe less) that's only 5%. On teamspeak noone ever sends players to opposite team. You just can't blame each of 200 for a 5% of them. Tell by nicks, not by names of clans. Also you can't again and again and again blame peoples for mistakes of the past. It's like hate'ing.

That's not nice for us (I mean people from UIF), and it is also not nice for community cause those quarrels affect the evaluation of it.


Anyway, make bad k/d ratio more affect to performance bar/ Add more bars to determine that player is accepted to free fief for battle.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Rebelyell on July 15, 2012, 09:48:37 pm

Hey can someone make a poll in this thread for us to try and guess which one of these guys is actually Harpag ? Something like this:

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no one :P
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 15, 2012, 10:53:03 pm
Nordmen hanging out with Grey Order doesn't make GO look any better in eyes of this community, but it makes Nordmen look worse.

Dedicated to Alpha and kinngrimm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxH9kHofuTU
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: _Tak_ on July 15, 2012, 10:56:28 pm
Strategus is already dead, leave it as it is, everyone have already rage quit so do I, if you play there all your items and gear will just get takeover by bandits/ bad people, its just a waste of time tbh
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 15, 2012, 11:24:49 pm
Dedicated to Alpha and kinngrimm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxH9kHofuTU

Why do you think I'm supporting kinngrimm and his way of doing things?

It's was your own mistake to trust a man like kinngrimm. Don't blame others for that.

You're angry and I can understand why. But that lasts too long and that anger stops you from realizing that your new ally is even worse than those who betrayed you.

As long your clan is something in Strategus you'll be satisfied. You don't care about those players who are disgusted with current situation in Strategus. Last time I checked you were some kind of community manager. That kind of behavior is very selfish of you.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gurnisson on July 15, 2012, 11:27:53 pm
I don't believe we were allied with Wolves, ever.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 15, 2012, 11:34:55 pm
Leshma doesn't get it.

Why do you think I'm supporting kinngrimm and his way of doing things?

It's was your own mistake to trust a man like kinngrimm. Don't blame others for that.

You're angry and I can understand why. But that lasts too long and that anger stops you from realizing that your new ally is even worse than those who betrayed you.

I never trusted kinngrimm to begin with, and I'm not angry. The point is that they created this situation themselves, and they have no right to complain. It's also very sad how many people are burning all their bridges over this.

As long your clan is something in Strategus you'll be satisfied. You don't care about those players who are disgusted with current situation in Strategus. Last time I checked you were some kind of community manager. That kind of behavior is very selfish of you.

You clearly don't understand our clan's motivations at all, or mine. But that's fine, or would be if you weren't making so much noise about them.

Anyway, I wonder how many of you people who are so "disgusted" with Strat would be any less so if we had allowed kinngrimm and Alpha to align their clans with UIF like they were trying to do, and how much better off the game would be in that case. :wink:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Casimir on July 15, 2012, 11:38:02 pm
bahahaha
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 15, 2012, 11:47:52 pm
Don't worry, Cassie, I still love you. :o
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 12:10:42 am
Leshma doesn't get it.

You don't get it. I'm not supporting any of the sides here, I'm talking about cheating and other bullshit we all have witnessed in past versions of Strat.

There are few scenarios for future Strategus:

Unrealistic - late IP ban for those who cheated and exploited strategus which will allow decent players to have fun.

Realistic - nothing will change, which means mod will slowly die because those who will only enjoy strat will be UIF coalition.

Desireable - decent part of this community will unite with just one goal in mind, to wipe out the cheaters and force them to search for new game to exploit.

I don't think that chadz and cmp can fix Strat in a way that exploiting becomes impossible. For me, leaving Harpag in the game isn't even an option. He has to go, one way or the other. That is the only way to fix Strat.

After that, certain things must be done and that's changing the nature of Strategus. Currently Strategus is the intrigue and treachery simulation just like games in Clausewitz engine (Sengoku, Crusader Kings II). Means that diplomacy, trade and backstabbing are the keys to success.

That's not very appealing to majority of people who play multiplayer cRPG mod. We want action so therefore I propose change from diplomacy/trade simulator of carebear alliances into FFA battlefield for clans. That means:

+ no clan alliances
+ big clans are major players, smaller clans (bellow 20 players) are mercenary or bandit factions and have different goals in Strat
+ fight for terittory until last clan is left and then scirmish best EU vs best NA clan

That will turn Strategus into dynamic game with clear goals which will be more familiar to cRPG players. If clans lack players, they should work on recruitment and advertising within cRPG. Alliances forbidden, as I said.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Casimir on July 16, 2012, 12:16:04 am
Don't worry, Cassie, I still love you. :o

It's hard not to.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Spanish on July 16, 2012, 01:29:58 am
Lulz this thread is so full of hate for Nordmen it's like they're the Hosps of Eu where everybody on the forums gets to bash on them when they're brought up. Such good drama glad I didn't miss any :)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 01:40:10 am
You got it all wrong. All the hate is directed to Grey Order and Druzhina, band of cheaters.

It looks like people are bashing Nords but that's because okiN is acting as UIF spokesperson...
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Tor! on July 16, 2012, 02:05:33 am
Well this thread has successfully created a lot of hate towards the Nordmen, even if it was the intention or not. I really feel the ill feelings are misplaced, but when people fail at what they do, I guess they need somebody to hate and blame for their own failures.

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 02:18:21 am
I guess you need another scapegoat so you're blaming everything on me...

Nice try.

Hate towards Nordmen, if there is such a thing, started in that other locked thread which was created by Panos and where Panos was permabanned.

This thread only generated hate towards me, just because I wanted to open okiN's eyes but that didn't work.

Also, when I said "intervene" I meant wiping strat sooner than intended...
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Overdriven on July 16, 2012, 02:27:53 am
Gave up organising GK for strat when horses were so expensive. Fucked us over nice and good. Have they actually lowered the price of those yet? Not that I would ever go near strat with a barge pole again until something could be done about the sheer number of exploits ect that have plagued it plus the horrific carebearing.

I still vote for Russians to be split off and have their own strat whilst NA and rest of EU get merged back together with no real split like before.

As for Nordmen hate, number of admins ect in 1 clan will always draw some hate and suspicion. It's only natural. Not that that means they are doing anything. GO, they should have been permabanned a long time ago the amount they have exploited the various strats over time. Didn't even realise Harpag got away with the multi-accounting 100 accounts thing. That should have been banned for life. Devs go soft or something?

Also...why did Panos get banned again? I rarely support that guy but I saw that thread and there was nothing there worth perma-banning him on.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Tor! on July 16, 2012, 02:42:32 am
I guess you need another scapegoat so you're blaming everything on me...

Nice try.

Say what you want, everyone in Nords (and those outside of Nords who are not stupid) knows this is how it is, and probably will be everytime something in our favor / something bad for others happen.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Miwiw on July 16, 2012, 02:46:21 am
Also...why did beer get banned again? I rarely support that guy but I saw that thread and there was nothing there worth perma-banning him on.

It was said so often that he didn't get banned for the thread, but for other reasons.

Btw as long as there are battles regularly, there is no reason to start a new Strat round anyway.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 02:47:31 am
something bad for others happen.

Is that a threat?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Tor! on July 16, 2012, 02:48:48 am
Is that a threat?

Haha, no it is not, sorry if it came out that way.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Overdriven on July 16, 2012, 02:50:04 am
Btw as long as there are battles regularly, there is no reason to start a new Strat round anyway.

I disagree, the heavy equipment costs ect really screwed over a lot of smaller clans in early strat. The trading system was a failed experiment in my opinion. Strat should be reset with a new system just to give people a chance again. Joining in now would be running into a brick wall.

This current version has been running for long enough. Strat needs to be regularly reset just to be kept fresh.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 02:54:54 am
Haha, no it is not, sorry if it came out that way.

Well, it looked that way.

Anyways, this isn't my personal crusade against Nords (I have no reason for a such a thing) but it seems that many people think it is.

Seems that in this community and in many other gaming communities is simply impossible to have discussion with someone who is in clan, without being mobbed by his fellow clanmates.

Happened to me in the past, this isn't the first time. But I'm still trying.

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Kajia on July 16, 2012, 04:52:00 am
Once a cheater, always a cheater. And thanks to okiN, Nordmen are friends of cheaters.
Make strat better - dissolve communist/badmin/hackers coalition.
do you even about what you're posting? do you even think? attempted accusation, trolling or insult will NOT result in successful communication, and repeating an unproved claim is NOT making it the truth.
after all, I actually feel sorry for some much wasted energy on creating such a big bunch of bullshit.

For me, leaving Harpag in the game isn't even an option. He has to go, one way or the other. That is the only way to fix Strat.
what did he even DO? afaik he is just another gamer spending his time on the interwebz taking part in some kind of illusory world like we all do. i haven't seen him trolling around, or leaving bullshit all over the place, or accusing random people of whatever. just saying.

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Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: autobus on July 16, 2012, 07:48:34 am
what did he even DO?

Harpag helped his fellow clanmates to play strategus without doing boring repetitive stuff again and again, he managed their accounts himself from time to time.
link (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18528.0.html)

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 16, 2012, 08:07:46 am
Harpag helped his fellow clanmates to play strategus without doing boring repetitive stuff again and again, he managed their accounts himself from time to time.
link (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,18528.0.html)

Awww man, how come none of us ever noticed that Harpag is such a lovely man, a Samaritan of cRPG, such a larger-then-life character who would help not only his clanmates but the whole cRPG community in any way possible, only If he could ? We're all blind & brainwashed.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: autobus on July 16, 2012, 09:57:08 am
Awww man, how come none of us ever noticed that Harpag is such a lovely man, a Samaritan of cRPG, such a larger-then-life character who would help not only his clanmates but the whole cRPG community in any way possible, only If he could ? We're all blind & brainwashed.

Oh wow gnjus, how comes i've missed your election for the community's spokesperson?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Christo on July 16, 2012, 10:00:08 am
Oh, so suddenly the "keymaster" of a hundred logins from the same IP, is the hero of cRPG, with a gloria on his head?

Seems legit.

What's next, "Praise ODINVALHALLA?" It makes just as much sense.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 16, 2012, 10:15:35 am
Oh wow gnjus, how comes i've missed your election for the community's spokesperson?

You were probably too busy exchanging cRPG looms for Russian Rubles on your Cyrillic Forum Marktplatz.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 16, 2012, 10:23:08 am
Oh wow gnjus, how comes i've missed your election for the community's spokesperson?
Probably the same reason I've missed Harpag winning the "fairplay-price".
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Paul on July 16, 2012, 10:56:51 am
What scares me the most is that a good part of the players actually think like Leshma. When did this happen? Are people really this stupid? I mean, look at what he writes. How he writes it. Ethnic bans, general hate. I mean I had my jokes with NA blanket bans but that wasn't serious of course. I don't like where this is heading.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2012, 11:10:07 am
You got it all wrong. All the hate is directed to Grey Order and Druzhina, band of cheaters.

It looks like people are bashing Nords but that's because okiN is acting as UIF spokesperson...

No, you're wrong. Are you seriously telling me all these bullshit accusations about me, the devs, and our clan, based on nothing more than our current Strategus politics, have been some kind of optical illusion?

I've only been acting as Nordmen spokesperson, and also responding to various allegations touching me personally. I'd say that's only natural, although it's become clear that no amount of truth can satisfy some people.


what did he even DO? afaik he is just another gamer spending his time on the interwebz taking part in some kind of illusory world like we all do. i haven't seen him trolling around, or leaving bullshit all over the place, or accusing random people of whatever. just saying.

He was caught account sharing with his clan in the last Strategus round. It was quite widespread among different groups, and chadz decided to let it go with a general warning for everybody. Harpag was the only one who got named because it was the largest case, and so apparently a lot of people suspect he's still doing it, and we're getting hit with guilt by association.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2012, 11:21:34 am
Leshma thinks he is some sort of moral crusader, when he is probably one of the most biased and stupidly self-important people on the forums (and that's saying something). My distaste for UIF shenanigans isn't linked to their ethnicity or nationality or whatever (except when they themselves make it the subject, like some retard trying to justify potential cheating because of polish history). I admit my bias is great, but it's mostly deliberate trolling of their carebearing circle-jerking mafia.

Actually the more Leshma writes on this forum the more I am open to the idea that he is in fact a woman. The level of cognitive dissonance, illogical ranting and undeserved self-regard are pretty convincing.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 16, 2012, 11:25:15 am
[...]
I admit my bias is great, but it's mostly deliberate trolling of their carebearing circle-jerking mafia.
[...]
Love that part  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 16, 2012, 11:27:24 am
Actually the more Leshma writes on this forum the more I am open to the idea that he is in fact a woman. The level of cognitive dissonance, illogical ranting and undeserved self-regard are pretty convincing.

I hate to disappoint an old friend like you Bloby but he's not a female. We've heard his sexy voice on TS. There is, however, a well known saying that medicine is still tapping in the dark when it comes to certain "issues" so......  :wink:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 11:31:32 am
Ethnic bans, general hate.

Huh? I never said to ban Polish/Russian players. I said ban Grey Order/Druzhina. That's different thing. Actually banning their leaders is the right thing but chadz couldn't force himself to do that.

And now, you're even denying that 100 cd key thing and pretty much everything GO did in the past ever happened. That we're delusional.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Leshma on July 16, 2012, 11:35:05 am
He was caught account sharing with his clan in the last Strategus round. It was quite widespread among different groups, and chadz decided to let it go with a general warning for everybody. Harpag was the only one who got named because it was the largest case, and so apparently a lot of people suspect he's still doing it, and we're getting hit with guilt by association.

So, this is now official version of that incident :shock:

Why I'm even bothering...

Enjoy your Strat UIF.

Last words:

Unlike Panos who was playing Strat on his own, unlike most of you who are in clans which are "winning" Strat (okiN, chadz, cmp, Cooties: Nordmen; Paul: 22nd; Kalp: Grey Order), I'm not playing Stategus and therefore have no secret agenda. Just want to see fair playground without intrigue, that is all. But if you like it that way, keep it that way.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2012, 11:35:45 am
If the official version was different at any point, nobody told me about it.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Everkistus on July 16, 2012, 11:37:29 am
Add some cool shit to strategus, don't make the economy mandatory, make raising armies easier. Reset Strategus. Then everyone has big cool battles which give a lot of XP. Everyone has fun.

As to Leshma, some Fallens indeed lost interest in strat after the devs punished us for using the glitch once (to those who don't know, we attacked our own village so we gain a day of extra time), and we never rose to a kind of powerhouse we once were because of people who lost interest and still don't play. However, it was only fair and just that we got punished, and I fully support their funny and innovative way of doing it. Thing is, we aren't the only ones who have glitched in this game, but we are the only ones who got punished so far. As you probably can understand, it has a way of demoralizing people.

tl;dr:
Punishing all exploiters: good
Pushing only one exploiter and letting others slip: not good.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2012, 11:40:29 am
To be fair, Harpag DID try to weasel his way out of it pretending that it was only because his brother or cousin or whatever bullshit he made up was playing on the same IP. In fact he made a somewhat large post, all self-righteous and angry as if he had no idea why he would possibly be banned for multi-keys from the same IP, and chadz had to slap him down like the lying cunt he is. It really didn't help him or people's perception of the clan.


Edit: Harpag, when caught:
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:rolleyes: If that be the reason, I protest and demand an immediate unban.

Tell me how you came to such a sick idea? I play this game for over a year, but a week or maybe two weeks ago, I persuaded housemate to a common game (he only looked earlier) - the effect - I just discovered the ban. Unban me and him, or go to hell.

Our whole house supports one router - even I do not know how many computers the router supports. This is what you are doing is a serious abuse.

chadz's response:

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Just for the record- last round more than 100 greys logged in from one IP. Over one hundred warband keys from a single household. Your fucked up sense of fairness is what forces us to take steps like this in the first place. So would you kindly get rid of this attitude?

Yeah, he is so contrite and helpful, how could people possibly believe that such a wonderful person could ever lie about cheating.

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 16, 2012, 11:41:59 am
If the official version was different at any point, nobody told me about it.
Well, using 100 cd keys from the same IP sounds different than "account sharing on a larger scale". Again, it's about perception.

[...]
Thing is, we aren't the only ones who have glitched in this game, but we are the only ones who got punished so far. As you probably can understand, it has a way of demoralizing people.

tl;dr:
Punishing all exploiters: good
Pushing only one exploiter and letting others slip: not good.
QFT.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Teeth on July 16, 2012, 12:36:37 pm
Add some cool shit to strategus, don't make the economy mandatory, make raising armies easier. Reset Strategus. Then everyone has big cool battles which give a lot of XP. Everyone has fun.
That is where Grey Order and Druzhina come to crash the party. It's probably related to their culture, but they really want to win, bad. At all costs really. Now a bit of competivity is ofcourse not wrong, but in their case their need to win kills all good sportsmanship.

Now I wasn't there in the first strat, but I read the forum and some recap people did while waiting for the second strat, it seemed a lot more fun. People were playing the battles, had a lot of fun, congratulated the other party with their victory. They did all kinds of roleplaying stuff, were respectful to eachother. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Then Druzhina came and this mentality got lost, because Druzhina doesn't care for respect, sportsmanship and fun, but only for victory. To keep up with them the other clans had to approach strat like that too, and voila, there is the shithole we now call strat. Grey Order pretty much upped this a notch. And the bug abusing and griefing, that would've probably never happened in strategus 1.

That is why I yelled blanket ban Poland and Russia for the next strat. This is ofcourse blatant generalization, but if its really something culture realed that creates this mentality that ruins the fun for the rest of us, its not really that crazy. Ofcourse its not ethically right to ban people for their culture, but this way I am never going to enjoy strategus and a whole lot of other people with me.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Harpag on July 16, 2012, 12:40:32 pm
Thanks for support from many people, but it's not necessary. It no longer looks like a competition in game, but a solid conflict. War on the map but also propaganda on the forum. Many people say that they are not interested Strategus, but this is nonsense. Their pain is great and this is evident. Using the old story from end of the first strategus, it's their only argument. By the way, I already told you about circumstances in which there was a accountsharing. During the first strategus, we collected the password, in case someone's sudden departure or computer failure. Therefore, the use of passwords was incidental, and in addition, it was before or during introduction of formal rules. With the advent of the new rule, all our activities related to accountsharing was immediately stopped. In addition, it should be noted that this was a common problem affected a substantial part of the whole community. My personal ban lasted about 15 - 20 minutes (just a mistake) and did not apply to this case. This was about account of my former roommate. At this time, even he is not here, so repeating the nonsense about 100 CD keys, it is only a sign of impotent rage of our enemy. Taking a adventure around several guys fighting for the defense, that's just another sign of frustration. Of course, I'm not surprised. What can say a completely destroyed enemy? Can say two things. Congratulations or throw us an unfair accusation. And these accusations do not arise from the belief that they have a reasonable basis, just for pure trolling. Instead of burning energy for trolling, I suggest you finally take a solid organization of people.
Of course I do not wish you luck, bastards :P

@ Everkistus - From what I remember, you have lost about 2k tickets, and extra you got a lot of fun with flying carpets, so don't do drama. Nothing big happened.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2012, 12:45:57 pm
Here comes the damage control. Yes, too bad all the clans facing you just aren't as good at..."organization". I guess that's you're calling it these days.

Incidentally, the rule about accessing different Strat accounts was put in after the first Strat when it came to light that many clans did exactly that, just have the leaders controlling entire factions like puppet masters. Sorry for foiling your revisionist history.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: [ptx] on July 16, 2012, 12:46:58 pm
And the bug abusing and griefing, that would've probably never happened in strategus 1.
Wrong, Strat1 was bug-abusing galore, simply because there were so many of them. Although those bugs were more about gaining advantage, rather than griefing opposition.

Also, heh, i remember the first town siege, that of Dhirim by Mercs. We had planned to use ladders to get both on the walls and the building roofs inside the castle, through places inaccessible to defenders, but, since we shared the plan with chadz an hour or two before the siege, he ninja-patched the game and gave defenders ladders too, foiling the plan :(
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Molly on July 16, 2012, 12:47:35 pm
Thanks for support from many people, but it's not necessary. It no longer looks like a competition in game, but a solid conflict. War on the map but also propaganda on the forum. Many people say that they are not interested Strategus, but this is nonsense. Their pain is great and this is evident. Using the old story from end of the first strategus, it's their only argument. By the way, I already told you about circumstances in which there was a accountsharing. During the first strategus, we collected the password, in case someone's sudden departure or computer failure. Therefore, the use of passwords was incidental, and in addition, it was before or during introduction of formal rules. With the advent of the new rule, all our activities related to accountsharing was immediately stopped. In addition, it should be noted that this was a common problem affected a substantial part of the whole community. My personal ban lasted about 15 - 20 minutes (just a mistake) and did not apply to this case. This was about account of my former roommate. At this time, even he is not here, so repeating the nonsense about 100 CD keys, it is only a sign of impotent rage of our enemy. Taking a adventure around several guys fighting for the defense, that's just another sign of frustration. Of course, I'm not surprised. What can say a completely destroyed enemy? Can say two things. Congratulations or throw us an unfair accusation. And these accusations do not arise from the belief that they have a reasonable basis, just for pure trolling. Instead of burning energy for trolling, I suggest you finally take a solid organization of people.
Of course I do not wish you luck, bastards :P

@ Everkistus - From what I remember, you have lost about 2k tickets, and extra you got a lot of fun with flying carpets, so don't do drama. Nothing big happened.
I don't even... I may not know all facts but is it just me or does this sound like a totally fucked up mindset?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Oberyn on July 16, 2012, 12:48:21 pm
Wrong, Strat1 was bug-abusing galore, simply because there were so many of them. Although those bugs were more about gaining advantage, rather than griefing opposition.

Also, heh, i remember the first town siege, that of Dhirim by Mercs. We had planned to use ladders to get both on the walls and the building roofs inside the castle, through places inaccessible to defenders, but, since we shared the plan with chadz an hour or two before the siege, he ninja-patched the game and gave defenders ladders too, foiling the plan :(

It was such a good plan :(.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: [ptx] on July 16, 2012, 12:50:11 pm
Regardless of what has been done or not, the style of Harpag's posts always gives me the impression that he is truly pathethic IRL. :|
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Overdriven on July 16, 2012, 01:01:20 pm
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It's fair and just if everyone gets equal punishment. But you guys were the only ones who were punished for that. Countless other exploits in the previous strat and that strat received little or no punishments at all. I have to say, although the style of punishment was amusing, I think I lost a lot of interest in strat after that point as well just because it was a big pile of steaming shit.

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I hate to make a blanket statement because I've known some great Russians in RL. But when it comes to games this seems to be the case in every computer game I've ever played. Russians always come and shit all over the party if it means they will win. Almost every gaming community I've been part of has had a hate of Russian clans.

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Biggest load of crap I ever read. You complained endlessly when that rule was brought about. Why? Because you'll do anything to get ahead, even using 100 people's accounts to micromanage on strat. I'll admit GK did it to. But we had 2 that we used for scouting and we stopped when that rule came in with 0 complaint. That was it. GO just took it to a whole extreme level and it's the kind of exploiting that you guys do at the drop of a hat if it means you get ahead.

For everyone here...take lessons on sportsmanship:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/18849505
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gnjus on July 16, 2012, 01:02:21 pm
Thanks for support from many people, but it's not necessary. It no longer looks like a competition in game, but a solid conflict. War on the map but also propaganda on the forum. Many people say that they are not interested Strategus, but this is nonsense. Their pain is great and this is evident. Using the old story from end of the first strategus, it's their only argument. By the way, I already told you about circumstances in which there was a accountsharing. During the first strategus, we collected the password, in case someone's sudden departure or computer failure. Therefore, the use of passwords was incidental, and in addition, it was before or during introduction of formal rules. With the advent of the new rule, all our activities related to accountsharing was immediately stopped. In addition, it should be noted that this was a common problem affected a substantial part of the whole community. My personal ban lasted about 15 - 20 minutes (just a mistake) and did not apply to this case. This was about account of my former roommate. At this time, even he is not here, so repeating the nonsense about 100 CD keys, it is only a sign of impotent rage of our enemy. Taking a adventure around several guys fighting for the defense, that's just another sign of frustration. Of course, I'm not surprised. What can say a completely destroyed enemy? Can say two things. Congratulations or throw us an unfair accusation. And these accusations do not arise from the belief that they have a reasonable basis, just for pure trolling. Instead of burning energy for trolling, I suggest you finally take a solid organization of people.
Of course I do not wish you luck, bastards :P

Riveting tale chap, riveting tale indeed but what you guys don't understand is that no one wants to blanket ban Poles & Russians completely, we're just wondering why is it that most of the screenshots capturing people who abuse the Strategos system contain images of people with DRZ/STR/Grey tags ? Even those without tags are connected to your clans via the site, as we can so often witness. I mean besides few random/no-name/non-important imbeciles like Herkkutatti/insert any generic name here its always someone from your block. Pure coincidence ? Sure, quite possible but do you really expect the whole community to believe in this without raising a single question mark ? You really consider people to be so dumb ? I think even you can understand that behind our harsh outside appearance most of us are asking some valid questions here. Your behavior just proves that either you were caught red-handed again or the great eastern generals had lost their plot and can't control their soldiers, even after all the incidents with their clans in the past. Is it possible that the great General Harpag Chodkiewicz has lost his authority and that the same happened to Russian National Heroes Dmitry Pozharsky (Nebun) and his faithful Kuzma Minin (Vovka) ?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Rantrex on July 16, 2012, 01:34:30 pm
We all see what we want to.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 16, 2012, 01:35:06 pm
How about next strat drz/go/str play on one map and rest of us on another?  :mrgreen:
And ofc NA on third.

Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Rantrex on July 16, 2012, 01:36:27 pm
Maybe we should start playing 3 months after the rest to give them any chances then?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 16, 2012, 01:36:59 pm
We all see what we want to.

Lies, i dont want to see your posts but i do see em... :P
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 16, 2012, 01:37:37 pm
Maybe we should start playing 3 months after the rest to give them any chances then?

Maybe you shouldn't start at all?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 16, 2012, 01:45:58 pm
Maybe we should start playing 3 months after the rest to give them any chances then?

Make it so all villages and castles have been taken by clans or are no longer AI. Yes cities will still be Ai well most of them, then you can join and see what happens.

My bet is you will become public enemy number 1, and after you are constantly targetted by minor crusader jihadist bandit squads you'll give up like most clans joining strategus now for the first time after seeing the Russians (generalization for DRZ and STR) and GO control half the damn map.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: chadz on July 16, 2012, 01:51:27 pm
It was such a good plan :(.

It was, but it had to be prevented :)
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Corwin on July 16, 2012, 01:51:27 pm
Maybe we should start playing 3 months after the rest to give them any chances then?

Wait, Dalhi says you are inactive in Strategus?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Casimir on July 16, 2012, 02:31:17 pm
Thanks for support from many people, but it's not necessary. It no longer looks like a competition in game, but a solid conflict. War on the map but also propaganda on the forum. Many people say that they are not interested Strategus, but this is nonsense. Their pain is great and this is evident. Using the old story from end of the first strategus, it's their only argument. By the way, I already told you about circumstances in which there was a accountsharing. During the first strategus, we collected the password, in case someone's sudden departure or computer failure. Therefore, the use of passwords was incidental, and in addition, it was before or during introduction of formal rules. With the advent of the new rule, all our activities related to accountsharing was immediately stopped. In addition, it should be noted that this was a common problem affected a substantial part of the whole community. My personal ban lasted about 15 - 20 minutes (just a mistake) and did not apply to this case. This was about account of my former roommate. At this time, even he is not here, so repeating the nonsense about 100 CD keys, it is only a sign of impotent rage of our enemy. Taking a adventure around several guys fighting for the defense, that's just another sign of frustration. Of course, I'm not surprised. What can say a completely destroyed enemy? Can say two things. Congratulations or throw us an unfair accusation. And these accusations do not arise from the belief that they have a reasonable basis, just for pure trolling. Instead of burning energy for trolling, I suggest you finally take a solid organization of people.
Of course I do not wish you luck, bastards :P

@ Everkistus - From what I remember, you have lost about 2k tickets, and extra you got a lot of fun with flying carpets, so don't do drama. Nothing big happened.

Bitch still owe us those trade goods!
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Gash on July 16, 2012, 05:18:11 pm
chadz, I would like to hear your thoughts on strategus being more of a "boardgame" with a round lasting a few months, as opposed to a "never-ending" (for lack of better term) game.

Possibility of having both perhaps?


Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on July 16, 2012, 05:27:19 pm
btw can the "sleep time" in next strat be increased to 16 hours ? 8 hours window for battles would be best for everyone no ?
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: karasu on July 16, 2012, 05:47:47 pm
  I wonder how much time will this putrefactive shit full of hatred thread be up, incited by our dear personified moral compass.

  For the love of all that is furry, go unleash all the frustrations on the battlefield, it's a freaking war video game, use the arguments to promote more quality and events in-game.

  No wonder the majority of the community prefers to ignore the forum..





ps: calm down, rufio!
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Dalhi on July 16, 2012, 05:51:07 pm
Wait, Dalhi says you are inactive in Strategus?
or just probably like Rantrex (who doesn't use a tag for quite some time) are not active in strategus/TS,
probably 
probably 

Oh and I am not in GO for half a year.

I hope you got the message now, it was just my guess.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Lech on July 16, 2012, 09:46:55 pm
This isn't about beer, it's about you my dear Niko. You and your polish/russian friends. You could die a valiant death but you choose not to, and in next Strat I'm planning to participate with just one goal in mind and that's punishment of evil factions and you as part of them :)

Funny, especially considering my bans.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Blackzilla on July 16, 2012, 10:16:47 pm
I think grey and drz should fight, It would be interesting, I think GO would come out on top though, due to better players. I just wanna see a large war. NA was once in total war but da russians ruined it. I wanna see the two big EU factions fight. Nord can fight Templars, that would be fun to watch too.



This is just abunch of "I wannas" what I wanna see lol.
 I believe this would make strat more interesting. I mean it would be friendly war against the two largest factions.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: LordBerenger on July 16, 2012, 10:21:30 pm
do you even about what you're posting? do you even think? attempted accusation, trolling or insult will NOT result in successful communication, and repeating an unproved claim is NOT making it the truth.


Oh shut up will ya. You just got immunity by the community because you did the loading screens. Nuff:en said.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: ThePoopy on July 16, 2012, 10:26:00 pm
I think grey and drz should fight, It would be interesting, I think GO would come out on top though, due to better players. I just wanna see a large war. NA was once in total war but da russians ruined it. I wanna see the two big EU factions fight. Nord can fight Templars, that would be fun to watch too.



This is just abunch of "I wannas" what I wanna see lol.
 I believe this would make stray more interesting.
we already won against nords, that's why they sold their souls to grey order :twisted:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Nessaj on July 16, 2012, 10:32:28 pm
I think grey and drz should fight, It would be interesting, I think GO would come out on top though, due to better players. I just wanna see a large war. NA was once in total war but da russians ruined it. I wanna see the two big EU factions fight. Nord can fight Templars, that would be fun to watch too.

This is just abunch of "I wannas" what I wanna see lol.
 I believe this would make strat more interesting. I mean it would be friendly war against the two largest factions.


What are you blabbering about we've been fighting the Templars (Crusader Alliance) for ages, the battle yesterday between us and Hospitalliers (Crusader Alliance) is actually the beginning of the THIRD DESERT WAR. First we fought in the beginning of Strategus. Then we fought them when we returned. And now the first battle in the third desert war (hopefully that is, since Hospitalliers turned tail and ran with the rest of their armies).

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How much more AT WAR can we be with them? :P

Refer to this post for The Desert Wars (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,34336.msg523809.html#msg523809).


we already won against nords, that's why they sold themselves as sex slaves to greys :twisted:

How else would you have us break the link between The Crusader Alliance and Grey Order/UIF, offering ourselves as sex slaves was the only thing that could top off your offerings :P
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Blackzilla on July 16, 2012, 10:39:17 pm
What are you blabbering about we've been fighting the Templars (Crusader Alliance) for ages, the battle yesterday between us and Hospitalliers (Crusader Alliance) is actually the beginning of the THIRD DESERT WAR. First we fought in the beginning of Strategus. Then we fought them when we returned. And now the first battle in the third desert war (hopefully that is, since Hospitalliers turned tail and ran with the rest of their armies).

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How much more AT WAR can we be with them? :P

Refer to this post for The Desert Wars (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,34336.msg523809.html#msg523809).


How else would you have us break the link between The Crusader Alliance and Grey Order/UIF, offering ourselves as sex slaves was the only thing that could top off your offerings :P




I know you are fighting them/have been. I just want it to be you two fighting and DRZ and GO dukeing it out. I also want you to fight with me again. I miss you </3
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Spanish on July 16, 2012, 11:01:05 pm
Thanks Nissaj now that hospitaller has been brought up we can now talk about how amazing we are for continuing to make strategus interesting and full of the best drama crpg will ever have  :D
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 16, 2012, 11:02:22 pm
we already won against nords, that's why they sold their souls to grey order :twisted:

You consider our short-term strategic retreat a victory? Even when we defended the abandoned villages against you on 1:1 ratio with the shitty peasant gear we had left over from the start of the round? And you also consider it purely a Templar achievement in spite of all the allies you had at your backs? Well, I guess you haven't had any actual victories, so you have to try to find them where you can. :lol:

I know you are fighting them/have been. I just want it to be you two fighting and DRZ and GO dukeing it out. I also want you to fight with me again. I miss you </3

Unfortunately the Templars' idea of a fair fight seems to be us alone against ten of their allies. It's the only time they've been willing to fight us.
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Casimir on July 17, 2012, 12:51:42 am
Bitch got served
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 17, 2012, 12:52:22 am
You consider our short-term strategic retreat a victory? Even when we defended the abandoned villages against you on 1:1 ratio with the shitty peasant gear we had left over from the start of the round? And you also consider it purely a Templar achievement in spite of all the allies you had at your backs? Well, I guess you haven't had any actual victories, so you have to try to find them where you can. :lol:


Okin, how should we consider that? Fact is that every Nord was kicked out of desert. Imo that's victory since all objectives were accomplished.

Templar? Wolves?

Keep guessing m8, you still don't know what hit you there  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 17, 2012, 02:02:25 am
Okin, how should we consider that? Fact is that every Nord was kicked out of desert. Imo that's victory since all objectives were accomplished.

You should consider it nothing, because that's exactly what it was. The first real battles in the second war came after we returned to the desert, since we had deliberately produced no armies prior to your attack. Even in spite of that you guys somehow managed to fail in the actual fights. Your trolling won't change any of that. :wink:

Templar? Wolves?

Polepoop claimed that this was somehow proof that Templars had beaten Nords, but not only was there nothing in those villages to beat in the first place, Templars were hardly the only attackers either. Try to keep up.

Keep guessing m8, you still don't know what hit you there  :mrgreen:

I know fine, we heard about your plans well in advance. :P
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 02:08:04 am
I know fine, we heard about your plans well in advance. :P

Izdo m8 I can confirm this =D
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 17, 2012, 08:09:16 am
You should consider it nothing, because that's exactly what it was. The first real battles in the second war came after we returned to the desert, since we had deliberately produced no armies prior to your attack. Even in spite of that you guys somehow managed to fail in the actual fights. Your trolling won't change any of that. :wink:

Polepoop claimed that this was somehow proof that Templars had beaten Nords, but not only was there nothing in those villages to beat in the first place, Templars were hardly the only attackers either. Try to keep up.

I know fine, we heard about your plans well in advance. :P


Well I consider 2nd war as nothing when you came back to desert.
Since we stoped playing strat because of Kinngrimm GTX after the battle for one castrl was reseted or something like it...

Polepoop? Something is his nick tells me that something is not ok with him, so dont trust him :P

Sure you did. I dont doubt that at all since youre abooser. Muahaha  JK

I alSo knew that nords are coming back to desert with go and drz because Hatman was quite retarded to speak about it in front of me on bashsi bazouk ts while i was having cyber sex with Cicero not knowing that i was one of wolves elders.
So we had more then month to prepare but no1 cared enough to organise something..
You guys won war when Kinn left. I'm sad that he did left because we would prob still fighting and that would be fun, after all we are all here to have fun.

Ps. Sorry for bad spanish, iphones dont have check spelling shit...

Wiltzu, better prepare your shield for 2night I'm gonna need it. Dont lick Okins ass you will end up like Bagge :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Wiltzu on July 17, 2012, 11:57:57 am
Dont lick Okins ass you will end up like Bagge :mrgreen:

Bagge is already a lost case =P
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: okiN on July 17, 2012, 12:40:27 pm
You guys won war when Kinn left. I'm sad that he did left because we would prob still fighting and that would be fun, after all we are all here to have fun.

If only more people remembered that.

I do remember kinn putting in his share of appearances after our counterattack began, though. Mostly to whine at Greys for helping us instead of him, and to insult us for not fighting your alliance alone. Go figure. :P
Title: Re: Next strategus
Post by: Idzo on July 17, 2012, 12:54:52 pm
If only more people remembered that.

I do remember kinn putting in his share of appearances after our counterattack began, though. Mostly to whine at Greys for helping us instead of him, and to insult us for not fighting your alliance alone. Go figure. :P


True. Appearances only. He had enormois amount of cash on himself but.. In that time he was in "big fight" with Templol_Alpha as Alpha acussed him because he "just left" and he was ignoring all happenings on field while Kinn played other game...

Tl;dr Kinn didnt give a fuck.
Alpha couldnt do it alone.

Later on Tuten and I took care of stuff, but ot was way too late and your my old friendliance was too strong :P

Imo; what happened on forum is whole another war.


Ps. Wiltzu, youre just mad cause bagge deserted! :P