Next strategus

[Leshma]

Has it happened before? No, no matter how much trouble we've had, and we've had our share. A stupid question that shows a really nasty attitude.

You've shown yours, now it's time for me to show mine

[okiN]

No need, Leshma; we've all seen it before, many times.

[Molly]

Benkei, you're obviously a lot more sensible than some of your friends, but the answer is already in front of you:

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,35834.msg544645.html#msg544645

beer got banned because he obviously deserved it. That's an easy decision. The rest is a lot more complicated. Why should they wait to address the other issues before banning beer? It'd be pointless -- as pointless as all these tantrums being thrown now by impatient people even though the devs have said the matter is under consideration. Come on, guys, be reasonable.

I wasn't argueing about the ban but using it as an example for what people see.
Even if you read the thread from page 1 to it's end, all that is going to stick in the mind of most people is "Panos got banned for posting it and the cheaters get away."
That is an horrible impression and a huge fault in communication. That's why I wrote that some kind of statement like "We are nevertheless checking the screenshots posted. When we come to a conclusion about our next steps, we gonna update this thread. Until then it's locked."
Instead all cmp wrote was "You got a point, too bad you're Panos and since I warned you before I now gonna wtfpwnpermaban you. Enjoy!"

That was just stupid. And once more, I am not argueing about the ban itself!

[okiN]

Fair enough, cmp could have made it more clear at the start that he wasn't going to just ignore the issue. But it's clear now, so I can't help wondering why the drama is still going on.

[Leshma]

beer got banned because he obviously deserved it.

This isn't about Panos, it's about you my dear Niko. You and your polish/russian friends. You could die a valiant death but you choose not to, and in next Strat I'm planning to participate with just one goal in mind and that's punishment of evil factions and you as part of them

[okiN]

Okay, sure, whatever, I'm the Great Satan. Have fun with that, I'm not going to even bother arguing.

[Vibe]

What the shit, when was there ANY indication that Nordmen got help from the devs? All I see is some biased accusations without any facts to support it

aka

SHIT THREAD

[Molly]

Fair enough, cmp could have made it more clear at the start that he wasn't going to just ignore the issue. But it's clear now, so I can't help wondering why the drama is still going on.

Well, no drama for me, at least not about Strategus. As I said before, i don't really care.
I am mainly using the opportunity to demand - Yes, I chose this word on purpose - more communication.
There could have been a lot of drama avoided if the staff overall would communicate more.
I can 3 give examples out of the top of my head to make my point more clear:

• Saracens/Arab armour suggestion: not a single word of anyone responsible
• Latest Strategus drama: not a single word to the accusations and the plans on handling them
• Banner purge: people get there slot deleted w/o really knowing why: not every player is just too stupid to read, maybe there is something not optimal in the way those warnings are displayed

Just post more about your work as staff and let people know what you're up to. Takes 20 minutes to write and post but saves 2 hours of handling drama. Transperancy is the magic word, I guess.

And on a personal note, only read it if you're interested...

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And another note: Ban of beer was totally uncalled for. He's a troll but in every other way harmless. Best thing was cmp tho. "Well, you actually got a point with all those screenshots but instead of going for the cheaters and exploiters... Well, I just gonna permaban you instead, just because you are you and I am completely overchallenged with handling you and your accusations. Oh, and you posted one picture several times. That has to be punished with a permaban!" Way to go!
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What the shit, when was there ANY indication that Nordmen got help from the devs? All I see is some biased accusations without any facts to support it

aka

SHIT THREAD

Well, actually reading everything might have helped to avoid you looking like a douche now.

[chadz]

• Saracens/Arab armour suggestion: not a single word of anyone responsible we have no one responsible for that. it's something that has been planned for a long time, but was never put into practice. just like many other things, our resources are limited
• Latest Strategus drama: not a single word to the accusations and the plans on handling them both cmp and me stated that we look into it before we can do any proper response. in what way is that "not a single word"?
• Banner purge: people get there slot deleted w/o really knowing why: not every player is just too stupid to read, maybe there is something not optimal in the way those warnings are displayed it's a new system and we still need time to figure out how to deal with it. it's a beta, after all

in my opinion, all of your points are invalid.

[Vibe]

Well, actually reading everything might have helped to avoid you looking like a douche now.

I read everything, it's a shitty whine thread.

[Leshma]

No Vibe, this is a thread about new Strategus because current is rotten and boring.

I guess chadz doesn't want to talk about it, he's preoccupied with Panos. Like he feels guilty about banning him.

[Miwiw]

This round of Strategus isn't even running a year, and we have interesting battles starting again right now... why start a new round then?

[Smoothrich]

In strat 2.0, LLJK owned whatever gimmick clan most of the devs were in pretty bad and led to their coalition of the LLJK hating to fall apart around them, leaving Okin and friends stranded to wither away at LLJK's endless manpower assaults, effectively wiping them out of the game and leaving them to recruit in fallen lands for nearly 4 months of abject inactivity until that strat ended.

Of course, while LLJK was fighting for our existence against at least 5 EU clans that attacked us without provocation (including the devs), our accounts were constantly being hijacked, our armies being deposited into AI castles by people accessing our leadership's accounts, our rosters before most important battles were being completely deleted of most players minutes before they would start depriving 50+ people of a fun match we spent hours preparing for every time.. it was almost as if someone with dev or strat admin level access to the game were going out of their way to cause LLJK (and ONLY us, no one else had these problems) to lose a war..

[Leshma]

Not now, Miwiw. I'm hoping for a wipe in few months. Everyone needs some time for preparations.

And I think that next strategus can be successful even if old bugs stay unresolved. All we need to do is to remove those who like to exploit and cheat, after that remaining factions can keep playing civilized game of strategus

Also if evil ones lose on strategus they'll also lose desire to play cRPG, which will have same results as IP ban on those players just handed out by players, not devs.

[BlueKnight]

Not now, Miwiw. I'm hoping for a wipe in few months. Everyone needs some time for preparations.

And I think that next strategus can be successful even if old bugs stay unresolved. All we need to do is to remove those who like to exploit and cheat, after that remaining factions can keep playing civilized game of strategus

Also if evil ones lose on strategus they'll also lose desire to play cRPG, which will have same results as IP ban on those players just handed out by players, not devs.

Ok miss cleverestest... Who's cheating? I want names.