It will take some time before you can compete with people who have over 500+ hours playing this game. :wink:It has been over 1500 hours and this is only for warband. I must have more for Mount&Blade :)
I think throwing is the least thing you should be focusing on, since in singleplayer they are useless that you have no experience with them. Horseback throwing is the hardest thing in mount&blade. In cRPG, it is most likely underpowered even.
Well, throwing is a hard thing to do. Unless you are planning to utilize from some cowardly/lucky kills from throwing I would tell you to skip it. I think a shielder with 21/15 and maximized IF, PS, Ath and shield would be good. Spend your remaining points into weapon master and you'll be quite strong in melee.
PS: Is it feint or faint? I really dont know it :)
Gonna stick with the Digglez build.
NA
Riding and power throw?
If you want to throw stuff from a horse you also need points in horse archery
Riding and power throw?
If you want to throw stuff from a horse you also need points in horse archery
wrong, you do not at all. Hitting horses with axes is pretty childsplay and I routinely kill or hit enemy lancers charging me. I also can do about 20% accuracy vs infantry, its a nice way to rattle them or soften up a piker that you cant reach. HA is not a requirement by any means.
Cal, while you have 2 good builds to pick from, you are spending the stat points in the wrong way.
Get up to 15 STR first immediately & 5 PS
Get your throwing WPF maxed BEFORE melee. Its alot easier to be able to throw as a low level than it is going thru high levels with shitty throwing. I will normally go 50 melee/50 throwing then 75/75 then max my throwing.
Get 12 agi for 4shield skill to use heavy round
Get 15 agi for 5 riding so you can use your horse at later levels.
Finish +STR last 3 levels.
Yeah, unfortunately I didn't do that by design...I realized too late that I should have put some points into throwing SKILL if not PT...I can't even throw knives which friggin blows. But there's nothing I can do about it now. And I think respeccing again would destroy my soul.
Nah, if you are at least lvl 12, you'll be useful. 15 STR with 5PS & PT. Kill horses all day. Soften up 2h'ers for your teammates.
Respcing to fix a build is alot less painful than playing thru low gen with a BADly done build heh
15 agility and 4 athletics, really? Always max PS and Athletics for melee builds
That class is so fustrating to play man. Low dmg,weapons glance a lot,you are slow,weapons are short,everyone with 2h weapon spam on you.
I tried it once and i rage respec to 2h. I suggest you use steel pick,nordic champion sword,knightly arming sword or arabian cav sword.
If you play battle whatch out when you are in the mob because almoust always in some tight maps like towns someone will block you from behind,and try to live untill the end of round,because everyone will be wounded so it is easier to kill them. Also get a lot of armor,and be patient.
just take a point from ironflesh and put it to athletics
That class is so fustrating to play man. Low dmg,weapons glance a lot,you are slow,weapons are short,everyone with 2h weapon spam on you.
I tried it once and i rage respec to 2h. I suggest you use steel pick,nordic champion sword,knightly arming sword or arabian cav sword.
If you play battle whatch out when you are in the mob because almoust always in some tight maps like towns someone will block you from behind,and try to live untill the end of round,because everyone will be wounded so it is easier to kill them. Also get a lot of armor,and be patient.
if you ever got chance to buy some loomed armor buy light kuyak or mongol armor,that light armors are crap.
I think throwing is the least thing you should be focusing on, since in singleplayer they are useless that you have no experience with them. Horseback throwing is the hardest thing in mount&blade. In cRPG, it is most likely underpowered even.Since I am a pure thrower with 9 PT all my killz result from skillz, though luck is a factor.
Well, throwing is a hard thing to do. Unless you are planning to utilize from some cowardly/lucky kills from throwing I would tell you to skip it.
1. How do you use throwing weapons in melee?
2. Does power throw add to thrown damage?
3. Does anybody know how to destroy an item in the crpg site? I don't want a lot of the cheap garbage I started with/bought early and it's cluttering up my inventory.
I would say use a 12/24 or related build, and use a fighting axe/ long dagger combo for weapons. It worked for my STF.I think you got me wrong. I do not mean throwing is luck based. It's just that callahan seems like a newbie player and since he is most likely to be beaten on melee, and since there is no such way he would be really good at throwing; but since it is still possible for him to get some lucky shots from throwing I called it lucky kills :)
Since I am a pure thrower with 9 PT all my killz result from skillz, though luck is a factor.
Throwing is pretty easy once you know the tradjectory and velocity. Its pretty useful when trying to gain distance on people (archers for instance) who are faster than you and also when you want to soften the enemy before engaging in melee.
And horseback throwing is as broken as dagger cav atm.
Going hybrid means you are weaker while levelling than pure builds, and still not quite 100% as good as a dedicated build. Its all down to what you enjoy though, if you enjoy the playstyle then its good enough
1h/shield is not about dueling or one shotting people (though you can, especially with a nasty close range weapon like a broad 1h battle axe or steel pick), the major satisfaction of this class a much greater ability to fight off multiple opponents. It becomes a chess-like match where you use your shield to bide your time, and position yourself to open opportunities to strike.
If I'm using my broad battle ax and put away my shield, does it then use two handed skill, which I have 0 of? It says secondary mode, not sure what that means.
Shielder can be frustrating till level 25, especially if you're not that skilled yet. Throwing even more so, because evading ranged is soooo easy in this game.
One mistake many shielders make is to wear heavy armor as soon as they have enough STR. If you don't have the athletics up to 5 yet, don't use heavy armor, or you will be circled easily. Read the offensive shielder guide for some tactics (builds are maybe not so relevant anymore, since a lot has changed since then).
What is considered "heavy"? I have a Haubergeon that weights 11.5.
Depends on where you play. In EU, people generaly have higher athletics than in NA. At least 5-6 seems to be the norm, with quite a number of people pushing 7 or more.
Why, is there a surfeit of class and self respect in europe where guys don't feel compelled to go all strength and use mauls and shit?
I would prefer to play on EU because then I wouldn't understand half the flaming that goes on in chat. BTW is there a way to get rid of the voice commands so I don't have to hear "protect me", "retreat", "defend the catapult" etc yelled over and over?
Why, is there a surfeit of class and self respect in europe where guys don't feel compelled to go all strength and use mauls and shit?i can only speak for my self, i started 24 generations and 34 1/2 levels ago to go more and more to agi, because i died constantly to 2h and polearm spam or backbeddal spam. Athletics and also a bit more WPM as full concentration on sound and footwork did solve that problem for me.
I would prefer to play on EU because then I wouldn't understand half the flaming that goes on in chat. BTW is there a way to get rid of the voice commands so I don't have to hear "protect me", "retreat", "defend the catapult" etc yelled over and over?chadz God of this Realm, hear us, we want client site permamute. So that we can honor your givings in peace without flame, out of RP comments or in general don't have to hear all the BS of some disturbingly small minded guys.(to some that may be the crap i pull out of my a**, point still is the same). We don't want to mute the same guys over and over again, or wait till some admin decides that one dude is taking it too far. Ignorance is bliss, client site permanent mute!
chadz God of this Realm, hear us, we want client site permamute. So that we can honor your givings in peace without flame, out of RP comments or in gneral don't have to hear all the BS of some disturbingly small minded guys.(to some that may be the crap i pull out of a**, point still is the same). We don't want to mute the same guys over and over again, or wait till some admin decides that one dude is taking it too far. Ignorance is bliss, client site permanent mute!
re-recording the fucking terrible voices & putting a basic 5 sec flood filter would pretty much solve the problem and require less time than coding a perma-mute function. but devs dont anticipate kindergarten effort griefing.it is not only about voice command spam, they are terrible annoying admitted, but so is the weapon switching some are doing weeeboooo ^^, worse things can be done within the possibilities of words.
i can only speak for my self, i started 24 generations and 34 1/2 levels ago to go more and more to agi, because i died constantly to 2h and polearm spam or backbeddal spam. Athletics and also a bit more WPM as full concentration on sound and footwork did solve that problem for me.
Why is my head always being clouded with doubts about my build :|
Why is my head always being clouded with doubts about my build :|That is the bittersweet part of cRPG, get used to it :)
That is the bittersweet part of cRPG, get used to it :)
Every time I think I'm settled on something, someone comes around and goes "hey bro, you're doing it all wrong...".i won't give you a build, if you want one from me you can find mine in the "solid builds" section somewhere inbetween page 15-18. But it just doesn't matter.
i won't give you a build, if you want one from me you can find mine in the "solid builds" section somewhere inbetween page 15-18. But it just doesn't matter.
If you like this mod and with generation 2 i believe you are pretty much hooked :lol:
that then but implies many more generations to come and one of the awesome things about crpg are exactly these generations.
You do improve your gear over time. You tweak your build into other directions and when a new generation is started you know from the last one what you enjoyed and what not so you tweak your build again till you are pretty close to what you feel is perfect for yourself.
Use this if you haven't got it yet http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm
enjoy
If having 7 athletics is clearly better than having 7 PS I'd like to know now.Are you good or even very good at manual blocking? yes => you can use less shieldskill and less ath
Why is my head always being clouded with doubts about my build :|
You're righthow about the following.(click to show/hide)
But I ask a question about speed, or anything really, and I get unsolicited recommendations to change my build...almost like I'm doomed unless I do this or that.
But I ask a question about speed, or anything really, and I get unsolicited recommendations to change my build...almost like I'm doomed unless I do this or that.
If people said there was only one way to build then that would suggest big balance issues. Just depends on various factors, preference and since its capped you can't be the best in all areas. You have to sacrifice one thing for another, in this case manoeuvrability or damage or a mix. For eg. Kinngrimm's style is very defensive and fighting outnumbered, so he has high shield skill and can manuevre fast and choose when to engage or disengage. Someone else might not mind going slower and will want to kill in fewer hits instead. Kingrimm has like 4PS but high piercing weapon so does decent damage regardless though, but its quite short range I guess
You just have to go with a build and then play to your strengths and be aware of your weaknesses
Kinngrimm your style of playing seems like doing art. That's what I was trying to do at my second gen, but due to a strange build I attempted to make I think I couldn't be as much effective as you. My build was 18/21 6 PS, 7 Ath, 5 shield, 5 weapon master. Not a bad build I say, but I never see any other guy tried the same build.
Kinngrimm your style of playing seems like doing art.:oops: thank you (flattery definetly works for me :D)
... But after I realized, I have to play a bit more strategically. I did wonders with my non-loomed italian falchion and non-loomed long espada. In crowds, I was able to hold my block and hit at the right moment to kill the enemy.yes indeed. Gear and build only carries you a short distance. If you rely only on that you a re dead meat from the start of the round. There are always chances to solve a puzzle which is in motion, we train ourselves to see the patterns when/where/against whom to take action.
Not to mention, shielder class is the best class to not hit your teammates in a total chaos. Also, high athletics and shield is golden for multicombat something that is one of the most satisfying when you are succesful. Yeah, if pasting a throwing axe to the head of my foe comes first; killing 3 opponents by myself comes second in terms of satisfaction :)i also started as throwing hybrid, now i got my shielder and a 4th gen thrower. Throwing is definetly fun, but killing 2+ Opponents with 1h/shield coems first for myself =)
Well, oh... what I was saying? Ahha! If your warband is automatically updated, you may try to play some native multiplayer nowadays perhaps. For me, it is much more stable to learn the game mechanics. In native, everyone is equal and it shows which player is actually the best. In cRPG there are level 35 ninjas with mw katana, mw body armor, mw boots, mw gloves, mw head armor, mw boots and mw snowflakes who are actually nothing but spammers in Nditions duel server. Well, they are not spammer noobs in Nditions but that's what they do in cRPG for sure. So, go to native. It may seem dubious and limited at first, but in my opinion it is better.last time in November, was on 140(?) slot filled up server over several maps within top 5, i just don't want to stop grinding xp for too long :) 55million to lvl 35 ^^ damn addiction
Edit: I think there is another piece of advice I can give. Since you are first gen, you have no loomed weapons. Therefore carrying 2-3 different kind of weapons -let's say steel pick, broad axe, espada eslavona- might increase your flexibility. It's going to be a total chaos, pick steel pick and short length will be your avantage; an enemy shielder is coming towards you, grab your axe and tear it's shield to pieces; a lightly armored foe is coming, pick espada eslavona and do some superfast thrust attacks. Considering all of one handed weapons are one slot, and are not heavy; this might not do you harm after all. Also, it is a good way to find out which weapon is better for your liking; therefore which build suits more to your liking.if you lay out your build, it is most likely also for a specific weapon, if you then have weapons with similar characteristics which give additional advantage yes go for it. I got myself a Broad One Handed Battle Axe,too. I mostly dont use it bcz on cav maps i have a warspear for anticav with me, but on citymaps or in general, maps with lots of close spaces or steep hills where cav cant really navigate i take the luxury to get my axe equiped and my huscarl
My build in 1 level :)You mean 1st generation I think :D
You mean 1st generation I think :D
And kingrimm thanks for your post. I personally got bored to play as a shielder and tried a different class, that I do not like to use short weapons and without a shield, I was much more better with my manual block. But after being tried different builds I see now, playing as a shilder was an unique experience. I definitely did not regret it playing. But it was just not for me methinks.
And san, I do not think if you maxed all of the skills you supposedly have (shield, athletics, power strike, Ironflesh, riding, weapon master) but I would not recommend having 3 power throw skill. With 3 power throw, I do not think it would offer much to you at that level. Additionally, since you will have 2-3 slots filled with your shield+onehand+spear it would leave you with only one slot. Which makes it useless in my opinion. Throwing is a bit luck based compared to other abilities and without much ammo, you may find it very useless. In case you haven't maxed out the skills I listed, you better go max them first. Just saying.
By the way, I tried to guess what kind of build you did go for at the character planner. But I failed. If you'd like to share your build, I am eager to see it :)
He means He's going to ahve that build in one lvl.
Would I be able to wear heavy armor with this and still move reasonably well, or would something with 7 athletics be better if I plan on wearing heavy armor?Don't worry about wearing heavy armor or not. No matter how much athletics you have, its almost always better for a shielder to have a body armor under 15 or 16 weight. And as others have said, stay above 6 PS. Since you are new, you are more likely glance a lot at 5 PS.
why bother with polearms as a shielder? throwing weapons basically accomplish the same thing (anti-cav), plus you can use them against infantry as well.Well, throwing is better anti-cav but you can use polearms to support in melee fights against infantry. I don't think throwing on a shielder is very strong against other non-archer infantry unless there are a few other shielder throwers with him like how you NH guys roll around and throw axes in mass. A lone shielder with throwing axes is almost ignorable.
ranged > crappy spears
You have a shield, why do you need armor?
why bother with polearms as a shielder? throwing weapons basically accomplish the same thing (anti-cav), plus you can use them against infantry as well.
ranged > crappy spears
I don't think throwing on a shielder is very strong against other non-archer infantry unless there are a few other shielder throwers with him like how you NH guys roll around and throw axes in mass. A lone shielder with throwing axes is almost ignorable.
Throwing was screwing up my mindset, I never knew what I should be doing...hanging back trying to throw or going up and fighting. Since I've dropped throwing I am doing better having only to focus on one thing. When I am better I'll go back to that, as I like it in theory...I was just poor at putting it into practice.You can try out both armors and see which one you prefer. For me, the Sipahi Yawshan would be too heavy as a shielder. But maybe you will like it over a lighter armor. When you hit 30, try one day with one armor, and another day with the other armor.
When I say heavy armor, I mean Sipahi Yawshan or something with 18.5 weight MAX. I am wearing a studded leather coat atm.
Nordic champ is solid balance of speed, range and slashing damage (35 for masterwork). it will hit pretty hard with 7 or 8 powerstrike.
Make sure you are VERY comfortable with a weapon before you start looming it tho to save yourself some trouble.
If you are unsure, you can always sell the loompoint for 600k gold, and then later go to market to buy something you know you want to keep (and usually at 350-450k per level, so you pocket the change).
use a 1h sword that is LONG (nordic champion's sword, knighly arming sword, italian sword)
Italian is not that long.
I would get to 12 AGI first (to use a 4 skill shield and get WPF to a good level), then 18 STR so you can get your hits some beef, then 18 AGI to round it out.
Looks good.
Whats more valuable since I split 1 hand and pole, 1 stat will need to be 5 instead of 6....should it be IF, WM or shield that I leave at 5? I was thinking if I'm split then maybe WM would be more valuable than 2 hp from ironflesh.
This is my final build, I think I will finish up 18/18:(click to show/hide)
Looks good.
Whats more valuable since I split 1 hand and pole, 1 stat will need to be 5 instead of 6....should it be IF, WM or shield that I leave at 5? I was thinking if I'm split then maybe WM would be more valuable than 2 hp from ironflesh.
This is my final build, I think I will finish up 18/18:(click to show/hide)
Some good advice in this thread.before the armor soaking values had been changed i would have gone only with stab/thrust attack, not sure if they are still the best option against tincans though.
Tip for fighting tincans with a 1h sword: try overheads. It's harder to hit, but doesn't glance as much as the side swings. Also: try holding it a bit for extra power... if the situation allows.
Other skills you wanna learn.
- HEADSHOTS
- basic blocking(without movement first, later with movement then afterwards include feinting)
- feint attack tab - block tab - attack tab - block tab ... that also combined with left/right/upper/thrust attacks
- kickslashes
- jump stab against horses
- target switching against more enemies
- pan/armor/360° view in combination with zoom
- patience
I´ll add a little question here:
I don´t really understand the values of shields... what does body armor mean? Does this also influence the hitpoints of shields, or is it added to my armor stats?
I have no idea how the hitboxes in this game work, are height/width important?
What kind of shields are most practical for a 1h infantryman?
Thanks
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Great answer, thanks! :) Made things MUCH clearer.
And yeah, round shield buckler... was just considering buying that one... :o But I think it´s too expensive for now. Until when is an armor considered "light"?
I´m not sure I follow, right now I have:
Nordic Helmet 1.2
Peltastos Armor 6.6
Leather G. 0.1
Rus Cav Boots 0.8 (but they don´t count?)
So I have (3*1.2=)3.6 + 6.6 + (2*0.1=)0.2 = 10.4 weigt, which reduces my wpf by 3 points... correct?
Ok good to know. Though I think I want at least medium armor eventually. It´s no fun to die by 2 hits at best. I only use the gear I use because I don´t have much cash :mrgreen:
And yeah, I´ll read through that thread for sure. Thanks for the help
I think you only need a good helmet.
You can wear mediocre body and still take a good 3 hits if you have 6-8 ironflesh, while having good head armor prevents all that bonus to head damage that may 1shot you.
Take a niuweidao and a round steel buckler wear light armors and use 15-24 build.
Wow yeah I fell for that one, didn´t I
Seriously, is that round steel buckler a joke item to piss of newbies or something?
Can´t believe I spent 7000 on that thing :cry:
It breaks faster then my Nordic Shield and good lord, the size of that thing...
Also, I noticed that if you wanna play good first person is just out of the question in this game. It´s a shame, though, I much prefer it.
Im sure you can do fine, for me though the best part of shielding is the ability to take on multiple opponents at once for extended periods, and the extra visual range that 3rd person provides is important for the tactical maneuvering of that.
...no it doesn't spectate KingGlype of clan Denbitre. Also Mercs have a crazy hoplite, he was eitehr with shortspear or war spear if i remember correctly, really good player and massiv k/d. He had often the ability to ride in his generations but also chose often not to and jsut go pure melee where he still rocked.(man what was your name sry too early for me need second coffee ... EDIT:Merc_Pully)
And I have a question: Does sword and shield generally out damage spear and shield? I'm looking at this from a group melee standpoint where you land an attack every 10 or 15 seconds.
...Thanks and yeah, I've been running a nord sword and the basic free spear (upkeep problems) with a shield, and in engagements with multiple people I manage to hit more enemies and less team mates with a spear as opposed to the sword. But a one on one with a spear and shield I get trounced.
They are two totaly different playstyles where you can do different things with these.
I think most people do a little giggle to themselves when they come across a shield and spear person on his own because they're easy to chamber and block unless they put the shield away or are high AGI and do some mad spin stab wizardry. I'm sure some people can (and do) pull it off really well if that's your thing, but I don't think you need to waste WPF into it if you're keeping it as a 2ndry support weapon.not sure here, i got only leftovers wpf polearm and the main thing i use it for is to stop horses which works often enough. Still if you wanna go hoplite and do real good with it i would advice to 100+ wpf, i have the feeling you would less glance that way, but more important would be str and ps for a hoplite and "not to walk alone". If you go pure hoplite as i said a shortspear for close combat melee or a warspear which is also good without the shield. Think about what you want to do with the spear then decide.
I sometimes take a cheap spear with me as a shielder (with 0 WPF in polearm) because it is handy to do support jabs behind the group without getting lolspammed by your 2H team mates and also handy for keeping the cav away. You're still capable of pole staggerning, rearing horses, and killing people with 0 WPF then like you say -- toss it away and take out your sword to fight when people are about to target you. :PAgreed, i do the same with bamboo sometimes if i know there are some special cav friends aiming for me :mrgreen:.
I decided to go pure shielder for now.plan for lvl 30 as with 31 you will retire and wouldnt play it that long, so half the time you are playing is in lvl 30. If you have your build ready there you have half the time the full power =)
I´m 24 now, at 31 I could either be
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I wonder what would be more noticable, the additional dmg and health from 21/18 or the additional speed and durability from 18/21?
Well this is my setup atm:
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Although I almost liked my steel pick & plate covered round shield setup better. What really annoys me about the huscarl shield is the size of that thing, even in 3rd person it blocks visibility.
And I doubt I´ll retire right away at lvl 31, I´ve had enough of that damn lvling up by now and the thought of starting as a peasant again.... bah. Anyway, I´ll go 18/18 first and see what happens then...
But doesn´t carrying a second weapon considerably slow me down?No. I usually go with a nordic champion's sword and an axe and you can¡t notice the difference from going with just 1 weapon. A shield in your back is what slows you down a lot.
My strategy is pretty much the same as kinngrimm's, but I am strength-oriented and he is more likely agi.
At 8 PS, hoplite rarely ever glances, unless you hit at the very tip, after most of the animation is over. It also hits like a truck and lets you sneak in kills more easily than 1h sometimes in a 2+ v 1.
San, I usually watch you when you're on and I'm dead. Epic last stand last night btw... But anyways, I never see you use your spear, You have it out a lot, but you seem to always switch to the pick when you fight. When do you use the thing?The spear is for discouraging / rearing cav. With the range bonus from using a shield, the warspear is somewhat decent for the role, in addition to being sheathable.