I just believe we should all take a breather, relax, and try not to get ban happy, especially if you weren't the victim of anything.Not going to happen, this game got all serious and people got all vengeful. I think its the multiplier that changed the mentality from 'eh, shit happens' to 'oh my god imma ban yo ass'.
Not going to happen, this game got all serious and people got all vengeful. I think its the multiplier that changed the mentality from 'eh, shit happens' to 'oh my god imma ban yo ass'.
I think its the multiplier that changed the mentality from 'eh, shit happens' to 'oh my god imma ban yo ass'.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we should remove the method of reporting buttfuck trolls who exist solely to screw up the game for others. I just believe we should all take a breather, relax, and try not to get ban happy.
It is the admins job, if you do not want the work then why be an admin.Admins aren't omnipotent. Once you've been around for long enough and you know who all the admins are it's very easy to be a right off pain in the ass when no admins are looking. The ability that the playerbase has to report (note that reporting literally does nothing unless there is enough proof to act) people who are breaking the rules simply makes the game a better place.
Leaving these things in the hands of the general playerbase just leads to bullshit like griefing people by afk reporting them in combat etc.
tl;dr: Relax, play the game, and don't worry about getting people banned.
Well dont get me wrong, less work is kinda welcome but if i was a player without admin powers, id be pretty pissed off when some guy griefed me or trolled me w/e and I couldnt do anything about it.+1
Players put ban requests in bcos they want sone justice and fair play, sometimes they are idiots too, but im happy to punish the requester.
Need snitches because anti-griefing design is quite lacking. Other mods prevent griefing with much stricter game design
speaking of snitches......................The only thing this tells me is that these people pay more attention to other players than the standard pub.
let me just point out a lil something to you all, some of you seem to have this urge, this drive to want to be something you are not. Its like a mall cop who thinks he is a real cop. Your vigilante work is appreciated at times, but the majority of you are like the fuckin whiners and complainers of our game. As proof to your urges and needs, let me just point out these statistics, honestly quite sad..........
In the following links gaze your eyes to the right lower corner and look at the activity, please note where these individuals seem to spend most of their time, quite shocking isnt it.
Digglez
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=5880
Idlewood
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=14294
Tank Burner
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=6659
Lt Anders - he isnt quite as bad, tho still man chill the fuck out, never met a guy who is so into seeing people banned constantly.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=178
To be fair the ban/unban area can have some entertaining threads. I want a new autoblock thread+1
Need snitches because anti-griefing design is quite lacking. Other mods prevent griefing with much stricter game design
Most of the ban requests are from two clans? Do those clans have any admins? What clans never post and have a swarm of admins? How very odd.
Antiblitz you do understand the contradicting nature of your post correct? You hate snitches you say?
So what should people do when some idiot decides to TK them intentionally? Smile and say thank you? The "M" report is beyond retarded. You can hit people five times before it kicks you, taking a whole few seconds to get back on. Oh noes. You think some one is going to push 5/5 if they have a multiplier to lose? I've seen certain people get completely careless when their team is losing. Why? No repercussion. I have yet to hit 5/5 in 6 generations, 3 of which are cav. To get 5/5 you should be banned for an hour.
tell me more about how you can't tell the difference between IRL property damage/vandalism and being hit by a teammate in a videogame
Funny to me:
Hitting an enemy in the face with a throwing axe.
Funny to you:
Kicking a teammate to his death off of a wall.
I would just like to be one of the people to thank you (the snitches) for doing what I cannot be assed to do which is screen shot and actually post on the ban forums to give the actual griefing assholes a nice break from the game. So thank you.
I do agree with the OP though, less serious business would be nice. G'day.
Funny to me:
Hitting an enemy in the face with a throwing axe.
Funny to you:
Kicking a teammate to his death off of a wall.
There is a subtle but important difference in these two actions, even though they both take place in "just a game". Until you figure out the difference, you're probably going to be one of those people constantly having problems with "snitches".
So what is my point you say? As long as there is a way to snitch people, as crpg has with the ban request threads, it will lead to hard feelings and will eventually foster bitter people who couldn't give two shits about the other person playing the game.
I'm going to use an example that I saw today, and I'm in no way trying to start a trial by forum here, but the thread were Lt Anders requests a ban because some Chaos members were allegedly valour farming. I'm not even sure how you can prove that, but what I'm more concerned about is why Anders would go through the trouble of wanting a ban when he himself wasn't even a victim of anything.
I could get any person banned by just watching them for a day and taking ambiguous screenshots to make it look like they are griefing. That is why I don't like the current system of ban requests cause it is so open to abuse.
Actually, when the opportunity arises, kicking players off high ledges is always funny. But seriously, in all my thousands of hours of play time I cannot recall any specific time where a player messing around has hindered my enjoyment or wasn't dealt with in the span of a map or two.
I was kicked off the bridge in Mountain Warfare. Karma said "Please don't do that". Now I have nothing against him, as he does usually take the lighter side but it is still quite irritating as a player when I have been banned for less.
I still have the screenshot but I decided it wasn't even worth posting. I would be accused of being the aggressor and recieve a ban myself.
I think some assigned range of punishment should be created so it would seem more fair when admins rule. The fact that they can do whatever they wish is pretty crazy.
Well, a degree of favortism is apparent in all aspects of life and probably more so in things as trivial and mostly anonymous as this game. I also have been banned in what I felt was an erroneous manner and then had the thread locked with no rebuttal.
It does seem like a lot of people here go out purposefully to find rule breakers.
When this happens, the next step for you is to make an unban request, where you can have your say and bring the discussion back up with a chance of easing the penalty. Alternatively you can try PMing the admin who issued the ban and discuss it privately, or ask them to re-review the case with the rest of the team.
First off: snitch culture what are we kindergarteners? If you do something wrong and get banned, raging at the people who got you banned is about as immature as you can get. Being a snitch - when the need arises - is a good thing. If you are doing something against the rules and someone reports you but you rage at them instead of accepting the consequences, fuck you.
Second: Some people seem to love to run to the ban forums at the first possible chance - that I do agree is pretty lousy and given the small community we all know who these people are.
Compared to some of the other 'ban-fans' [trademark] Anders isn't really that bad. Algaroth & Epoch for example seem to spam the ban forums with drivel on a regular basis.
Really? Do it then. Go ahead. Pick some guy who's never gotten banned before, and do it. Of course it won't work because it's a fucking retarded idea and the ultimate decision is up to admins, who have access to the logs and check them.
I haven't been reported or even warned for anything ever so I'm not sure where you're coming from.
As far as being guilty by association or guilty by reputation, you'd be surprised how something innocuous and victimless becomes a murder one charge to some people.
Also, Aaron Rogers sucks.
You live in Wisconsin? My god man, you should probably run for governor. Seem like one of the only intelligent people from that state (at least if I'm going by the recent legislation that has been passed).
MrShine for guvna
When two weeks ago, I recieve a 4 hour ban when I requested a ban from being TK'd by a person I didn't even kick. No admin was present and ASSUMES that my kicks were malicious and I instigated ANOTHER person killing me. 0 damage was done from my kicks, no shit talking in logs. Tell me why I shouldn't be upset. It was you who posted in that thread to NEVER KICK ANYONE.
So I shouldn't be bitter about when I am kicked off a bridge from full health and die. The guy that kicks me says "I just couldn't resist". The admins replies,"Please don't do that".
I was naked, playing, and LLJK_ImPanda kicks me twice in spawn, both of which I reported, and what did you say Canary? Do you remember? "Please don't do that".
Is it wrong to ask for a certain level of equality?
There is NO PROCESS to enforcing these rules, and thats why I am pissed. Smooth handled the situation completely wrong and instigated I was the aggressor and even assumed Sigvard was cav and bumped/slashed me, and that I was kicking some guy reloading a crossbow.
Thats why I say a penalty range. Intentional TK 24hr-week based on situation and regular occurance. Kicking to grief, 1hr - 24hr. So when the above situations happen and one gets a warning, and the other a 4 hour ban is doesn't piss people off. I see kicking some one with full armor a few times less severe than kicking some one off a bridge and killing them. Apparently not all admins see it that way and once again that is what irritates me. If you are aware of the level of punishment, people will stray away from getting to that point. Right now it seems if you are a senior member of the community, you can get away with murder. If you are newer to the game, you get banned for minor infractions. The only one wrong thing I've EVER done was intetionally TK Badplayer after he trampled me and ran his mouth. Ecko ruled and I agreed with his ruling and shut up. The ban request with Sigvard was 100% BULLSHIT. Since then I only see blatant favortism or total lack of consistentcy between the enforcing administrators.
I am harased every day in game, and I can't even get certain admins to speak up. Horse doubleover head killed in spawn, certain admin says nothing. They need to rule on everyone, or for no one.
Tell me why I shouldn't be upset.
Tell me again, why should I not be bitter.
Once again, tell me why I shouldnt be upset?
" I'm glad that people like you aren't in charge of the means and amount of punishment people receive, as it seems you're for instantly banning a first-time small infraction for an entire week based only on hearsay and deny that someone would be upset by you repeatedly kicking them"
So people I don't know say he was out of line, and only people he knows supported his process. I think you need to re-read that thread, all of it. It was a blatant TK as shown by the chat logs. Also a member of KUTT said "really?", as one would say in awe of what just happened. First Smooth ignores the active chat, I guess I should highlight things for you guys? Second, instead of saying ok he is banned for blatantly TKing you but who were you kicking, he starts to question me and assume a lot of information.
Is that in this process you refer to, assume information not present? So he doesn't believe me, but yet he wants the full story form the person he doesn't believe?
If you want to sit there and say well we can't punish people on one report, then LOOK IN THE FUCKING LOGS instead of questioning my integrity OR approach it from a neutral position(ie "Ok he is banned for TKing you but explain who was kicking who and why"). Yet you want to sit here and say "well you went on the defensive". NO SHIT?!
Also you also say "well kicking slides so often" and "it has little impact on the game" yet his first response is to question the kicking being mentioned in the chat log versus dealing with the blatant TK. Once again, here you are wondering why I got so defensive?! I don't give a fuck if people kick me unless it is harming me either, so yes I got defensive. You are being MASSIVELY contradicting right now.
The guy I actually kicked lied, saying "you guys actually hurt me" when I know GranPappy searched the logs and found NOTHING. He wants to say he took 2 crossbow bolts from the HX that can 2shot me in high end medium armor with 5 IF. Yet he claims he was and getting hurt by our kicks? Sure that TOTALLY adds up as well. He also had a shield on so he wasn't str stacking to live through the bolts. Could he possibly hit the M button, take screens, and get me banned? Instead it somehow provokes his teammate to TK me.
Ban people without evidence? Canary when you TW it SHOWS IT TO THE SERVER. 30s in a round, 2 TW reports pop up and you want to say there is no evidence? When I was kicked off the bridge it showed a teamate headshotting me, and in chat he says "SORRY I COULDNT RESIST". But NO THATS NOT EVIDENCE. What the FUCK are you looking for then? So situations where an admin is present always dictate a warning first? Why was I not warned when I TK'd badplayer? I was instantly banned without warning, and smooth saw the whole thing.
Excuse me? I didn't know asking for bans when being intentionally TK'd was overkill.
Where am I asking for a week ban anywhere?
Thats why I say a penalty range. Intentional TK 24hr-week based on situation and regular occurance.
I will be in awe if you dont ban him for a week.
I wouldn't be offended if someone kicked me 3x in a closed building with full armor on, no. Now if they kicked me off of a bridge, yes I would be. If they kicked me out into the enemy infantry, I would be. If it had harmed me in any way, I may be offended. Once again, Granpappy checked the logs, your little friend is a liar so maybe you need to check your own company.
I'm not asking for you to police constantly but when something as blatant as kicking/killing a player off the bridge and saying "I COULDNT RESIST" or two TWs pop up in the first 30 seconds of a map, yes I think something other than a warning needs to be issued. What is that inconsistent with what I've asked? How is that not blatant evidence of griefing? Also I want to see this official process if you want to PM it to me.
I love how you sit there and say kicking isn't a big deal, and when the admin fails to address my post and questions something I also dont feel is a big deal, I am the bad guy for being defensive. Just keep on wondering why less people are appreciating what you are doing.
I don't think id ever be gay enough to take pics and post em on the forums about people doing shit against server rules buncha whiny bitches stop crying and just play
I tend to just look at what armor they have and go kill them if they are on the other team.
It's against the rules, it's against the rules, it's against the rules.Just not in my case. I have to explain the entire situation before intentional TKing is an enforceable rule. Once again if smooth had said "Ok he is banned for intentional TKing, but I want the rest of the story and you may face a ban" that would be just fine. However he choses to ignore what my post is about and become concerned with kicking. If kicking was happening, would that of made the intentional TK invalid? No. "It's against the rules, it's against the rules, it's against the rules." That is why I said what does it matter? If you want a real response, write real paragraph and don't go line by line through the post.
Just not in my case. I have to explain the entire situation before intentional TKing is an enforceable rule. Once again if smooth had said "Ok he is banned for intentional TKing, but I want the rest of the story and you may face a ban" that would be just fine.
Sigvard will be banned regardless, but your hesitation to actually explain what he was being a vigilante about is incriminating in its own right. I am not being biased, just fair. Ban time will be reduced or removed with the full story but kicking teammates to grief them is rule breaking much like tk'ing to stop it
If you want a real response, write real paragraph and don't go line by line through the post.
So your friend was level 23, got shot twice by HXers, and then we were damaging him with our kicks? He had a shield too so he wasnt str stacking..... that is one tough level 23. Our kicks did so much it made him mad enough for his friend to TK us but not mad enough to push the M button? You are right he is being totally honest.
Precisely, no admin was present. Smoothrich started asking for more information and you were reluctant to give it out and became instantly belligerent because of a situation that happened when an admin was on to properly police. You blamed him for being biased because he had to ask for details about the situation instead of just banning the guy based on one piece of evidence. If you're not going to readily say what happened in details, you shouldn't have been so hard on him making presumptions.
Malicious or not, people don't generally like being kicked. If you do it intentionally, then you're going against the rules. The reason it slides so much is because of the infrequency of reports and the small impact it has on the game (in comparison to intentional teamwounding). It's a similar situation to teamkilling after a round ends, it's against the rules, but mostly only when someone complains about it. Obviously it's different if you're kicked off of a high place, however, and especially if you die from it.
There wasn't any doubt that you had kicked someone, and as if you recall, the guy you kicked spoke up in one of the additional threads you posted and wasn't pleased by what you'd done. Other people were around to elaborate on the situation as well.
So it seems like what you're suggesting then and now is that admins should punish people based on reports only, and without evidence the admins actually observe. This is exactly contradictory to what you're so mad at Smoothrich about. We can't just punish people based on one report and assume it's legitimate, and it's procedure to issue a warning, regardless. Like I said in my previous post, that's why I dislike the prevalence of ban requests: A lot of things that merit a warning receive bans as punishment because of the way the system works.
We start with a warning, such as what you quoted. This is the case in situations we don't witness ourselves but are merely reported to us.
Not at all, assuming the situations are also equal. Having more information makes a lot of difference.
He posited a theory about the situation which you denied. You didn't present any other information about what happened, so he was forced to make further assumptions. When asked for more information, you literally said "What does it matter" and refused to speak up about the circumstances, instead beginning your prolonged haranguing of Smoothrich's decision-making (which was hard for him to make with so little input!). I say it was you who began handling the situation completely wrong, and while two wrongs may not make a right, Smoothrich didn't have anything to go on because you refused to tell him more. I don't think it's reasonable to blame him for being snarky when you instantly started out by raising a stink over his judgment.
Don't say there's NO PROCESS just because you don't like the way the process works.
The reason why a lot of things seem disproportionate is that we can't witness every single action undertaken by every single player on a constant basis. There are times when there isn't a single admin online, let alone one to spectate each player on a server!
Despite what you think, we try to coordinate our actions and maintain consistency between punishments, but not every situation is equal, even when the same rule is being broken. This necessitates the admin at-hand using their discretion, even if there was a hard and fast set of punishments as a rule instead of just a guideline.
I'm glad that people like you aren't in charge of the means and amount of punishment people receive, as it seems you're for instantly banning a first-time small infraction for an entire week based only on hearsay and deny that someone would be upset by you repeatedly kicking them (since your intent wasn't "malicious" as you're keen to repeat).
You're more inconsistent than we are, from what I've seen.
We can't constantly spectate one player over the course of every hour you're online and playing. The best we can do is watch out for problems and trouble-makers and respond with warnings to reports of misdeeds without witnessing them, handing out punishment when we see these misdeeds, and go into spectator to watch for repeat behavior, or to answer ban requests (given sufficient information) and go over the server logs where necessary on the appropriate forum board.
They certainly don't need to rule on everyone if they don't see something happening. The moment we begin to enforce rules based only on reports is the moment a false reports gets an innocent player punished. You can hardly blame admins for taking your reports with a grain of salt, Crazyi, after you began a thread by harassing and hurling accusations at one of the admins who was trying to answer your request. And anyway, just because someone doesn't speak up doesn't mean they're not doing anything (though if someone's looking into things I suppose speaking up couldn't hurt either).
I do agree that we can improve on the consistency of punishment, but using your own example consequences, how different would that be from how things happen now? You got a short ban, Sigvard got a long ban.
I feel like the admin team is trying to do more and more, and the playerbase is appreciating it less and less.
Because this is a video game that people should be playing for enjoyment.
While indicative of teamkilling behavior, it wasn't necessarily condemning. I don't see how you can be so appalled by an admin actually trying to uncover more facts before issuing a punishment.
I did re-read that thread. The chat logs show intent, sure, but your screenshot was small and difficult to read, you can't assume Smoothrich can actually see that well, he's an old fogey, you're the one assuming information now!*
*this was a joke, sorry
He could have believed you up until you refused to present information and started your accusations. At first, all that could be seen was a screenshot of Sigvard teamwounding you twice (the second one killing you), Sigvard saying "quit kicking him you fuck" barely legible (which could have happened any time after you had the chat log open, since it isn't scrolled properly.), and you saying "Intentional TK." and nothing else in the thread.
He errs on the side of caution, says something as an example of what might have happened and you immediately took an incredulous stance to the way Smoothrich was handling the situation. His next statement was merely a question about the incident and you refuse to answer it while insisting it's the same as a previous experience you'd had where you were the one breaking the rules (which an admin was online to witness) on another server.
This is where Smoothrich returns your attitude to you, and you start to accuse him of being biased. You start (and continue without ceasing) to say he assumes information, but you've been the one withholding it the whole time. The hell do you expect?
The logs aren't updated constantly for the NA admins. We can't check them constantly since they might not be up to date. I'm fairly certain that approaching it from a neutral position isn't to assume guilt just because you're so adamant about it, it's to weight both sides of what might have happened and decide it based on evidence, some of which you intentionally refused to give out. You tried to brush off the question "Quit kicking who, exactly?" as if it wasn't pertinent information, when in fact it dealt directly with what had happened. He TKed you because you kicked some guy, that's proof that he was deserving of a ban, not because he had two teamwounds on you and an out of context statement shown together in one screenshot. Your persistent belligerence towards Smoothrich did not help your case.
It's against the rules, it's against the rules, it's against the rules. You're missing the point of what I said. I was describing why it can go unchecked. If nobody's complaining about it, we can't always do anything about it. I'm not saying it's okay that it slides, just that when it happens it is hard to notice sometimes.
It does not display teamwounds in the logs unless they result in a kill or get reported. Reports do not always display to admins. I had to ask you for a name when you were kicked twice at spawn, and I issued a warning because I couldn't see the reports. I don't know anything about the instance where you got kicked off a bridge. I am also not responsible for the judgments of other admins, though I will defend them, in most cases. It's up to the discretion of an admin what the punishment will be for a particular person in a particular situation based on the severity of the circumstances and the people involved.
It isn't. Sigvard got banned, in case you forgot.
Right here:
I'm not saying that Sigvard's was a small infraction, but it was his first offense. You were subject to different rules when Smoothrich banned you before that because it was on a different server with different rules (and different people in charge of unbanning).
Just because you wouldn't be offended doesn't mean he wasn't. Just because he didn't report the teamwounds doesn't mean they didn't deal damage. Teamwounds don't show up in the logs unless reported or if they result in a kill. At this point it's your word versus his, and I think it's time we stop retreading this specific issue, since it's already been dealt with.
I'm surprised by how scathing your accusations can be, it's no wonder people don't take you as seriously as you'd like.
Once more: Teamwound reports don't always show up for admins. I don't know about the incident with the bridge, but the admins available seemed to have handled it (unless that person teamkilled again after being warned).
You don't always give us the evidence we need. You want us to ban people without actually looking into things, apparently, and I for one will not do that. You presume we can do far more than we actually can, and that we see much more than we actually see.
On top of which, we do sometimes like to play the game ourselves, so I apologize if some of your messages to I-chat go unheeded, but it can be hard to respond to every issue in a timely fashion without turning ourselves into leechers.
You mean like this?
I once again point out that your immediate refusal to cooperate and begrudging belligerence made it seem much less like a legitimate ban request.
I'd rather respond to every statement directly without ambiguity so that you know what I'm talking about. If you don't want to take the time to make a real response, though, by all means cut yourself out of the argument.
Sounds like you're making assumptions, which proves you're 100% biased.
I once again point out that your immediate refusal to cooperate and begrudging belligerence made it seem much less like a legitimate ban request.I like how you quote reply #7 in the thread and say my immediate refusal. If Smooth had started with the second paragraph in reply #7 as you have quoted, this would of been avoided. Yet he did not. Before this statement, he ignores what my post is about, says sigvard is cav and probably bump slashes me, threatens to ban me for 24 hours, and says I was kicking some one reloading a crossbow. hmmmmmm, Why was I so defensive? I figured it was common knowledge that when you attack some one that feels they were wronged, they get defensive. Apparently that is completely lost to you.
Sounds like you're making assumptions, which proves you're 100% biased.
Do you even know what bias means? It is making DECISIONS with prejudice. It has nothing to do with the statements you quoted. I will assume you ment to say liar.
I figured it was common knowledge that when you attack some one that feels they were wronged, they get defensive. Apparently that is completely lost to you.
Do you even know what bias means? It is making DECISIONS with prejudice. It has nothing to do with the statements you quoted. I will assume you ment to say liar. So in case your selective memory has forgot, I will quote your friend.
So do those statements add up? Or are you going to use you bias and tell me they dont? Yes, I was a naked peasent, that is why Sigvard chose to kill me.
Apparently only my kicks hurt him when I was a naked peasent. Yes, I was a naked peasent, that is why Sigvard chose to kill me....WITH THE SCREENSHOT YOU POSTED WHERE IT TOOK AT LEAST TWO HITS TO KILL YOU? YOU WERE A NAKED PEASANT THEREFORE IT SHOULD HAVE ONLY TAKEN ONE HIT TO KILL YOU SO YOU'RE LYING AND BIASED AGAINST WHAT VAERMI SAID -
I don't think it is an assumption to say it made him mad enough to ask his friend to tk me, because it happened.
So it makes you mad enough to have his friend kill us, but not mad enough to push the m button and report us the proper way? Also re-reading his post he claims he was shot WHILE we were kicking him. We must of been kicking him for quite some time to have two crossbow bolts shot at him through the frame of a door up a staircase. Even wolf kicks him after he is hits black bar, and he still lives?
I would just like to take the time and thank Crazyi for providing some of the most entertaining reading one could ask for in-between rounds. There is not a forum untouched by his blather. I am willing to bet that this is all one big troll attempt and in the end he will have the last laugh... or he is just retarded. Either way, thank you crazyi.
Tears did unban us after I got in IRC, but even his post in my unban thread said "Pay closer attention to the admin chat next time" like we didn't :rolleyes:. Great way to welcome complete newbies to your community: 4 day group ban. I think some other people got banned with us, too, but I don't believe they got unbanned early like we did.
Even if something is fully proven for breaking rules, something like what you did, getting on a roof or w/e.. in game an admin would say "get down" and that'd be it. Only if it was persistent, malicious, and in spite of warnings that you kept going on the roof to delay rounds and not contribute, would it befit a ban.
Pay closer attention to admin chat next time.
Digging up the ban thread you are talking about and re-reading, I'm okay with how it worked out. Mistakes happen, most of the time it is justified.
Who still makes no effort to understand what happened.
They did.You are allowed to say 'sorry' or woops...
Pay closer attention to admin chat next time.
Digging up the ban thread you are talking about and re-reading, I'm okay with how it worked out. Mistakes happen, most of the time it is justified.
You are allowed to say 'sorry' or woops...
Why the fuck would you ban a player based on someone else's say so? Didn't see it? Who cares.. move on, not supposed to be some all seeing all reviewing referee, but boot/ban the trouble makers that you actually witness - in real time. Unless admins get handed such a stupid mandate.