Yes, you need to work on your footwork and turning into the swing. 110 wpf is way enough to not get spammed, hell even 1 wpf is.
109 isn't "fast" it's acceptable but really you're going to be slow untill you get at least 130-140 in your weapon spec. Most agi builds have like 170+ in their weapon.
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your footwork is what matters. I've been killed by retired peasants with wooden swords. not because of their lvl or stats but because of their skill.
It's mean to put lines through peoples commentsMy feelings have been hurt
dude it is because they have longer reach. yoo cant realy do anything about it, except develop agility and athletic,grap steel pick,big shield and get close to their face and kill the bastards. Beware of axes,and maulers,and kicks.
I could see the turning while swinging thing. Also would ping/shields contribute to the slowness? Say the delay in lowering the shield, then the delay in swinging the weapon?
Ping contributes to slowness yes. So does a slow shield.
I was also under the impression that shield speed affects how fast your weapon swings when you are using the shield. I was told however that shield speed only affects how fast your shield blocks.
get a knightly heater and a scimitar, go to town. you cant accidently trust, and its got good speed and reach.
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What movie/whataver is your sig from?
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You can train turning swings in single player or in duel server, you will better understand a new method of fighting where you have some chance to survive rather than having to wait for the perfect moment online at first.
That's why I suggest you never try the right to left swing against 2h in tight situations. They will connect earlier, even if you blocked their previous swing and start your counterswing immediately afterwards.Hiltslashes are not used that much, atleast at this side of the ocean. I would suggest always using the leftswing in any tight situation. It connects really fast and only a perfectly executed hiltslash will hit quicker, they are quite rare. You can actually do a double left swing a lot when using proper mouse movement, not enabling your opponent to attack back.
I haven't had a chance to try it yet(the left swing that is, didn't know it was quicker). I wear rather light armour minus helmet, and gloves. My shield is one of the quickets I could grab, I have 6 into shields, and use the Nordic Shortsword.An elite scimitar would be a better choice than a short sword. The extra reach and cut damage more than make up for the lower speed. The Nordic champion sword, knightly arming sword, and Italian sword would also be worth looking into.
My ping ranges from 90-100 usually.
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I also just want to thank everyone who has contributed so far to this. I'm actually not used to a community as friendly or helpful as this.
but since Paul changed the armor formulaBeen doing it all the way from native to present day.
What about an Arabian Straight Sword? Those are the two I have currently. One for reach, the other for speed.
don't start with scimi
starts with simple sword
why? just to handle the stab a bit.
and because if you get used to that scimi you will be a speed whore!
simple sword is the best beginners choice!
Tried it out, still getting smoked by two handers, and pole arm users.
Practice, young one. You can't expect to become good in a day.
I know Im kind of judging this before getting 'good' at it, but Im really feeling at the brute end of the stick for this. I've roughed it out through peasant up to level 22 now, and I wouldn't call myself a shabby gamer, but too often it feels like Im just cannon fodder. Only really good for standing at a flag in Siege.
Oddly my less savy friend who plays this seems to be doing better than me. I don't want to say it's because he's using a two hander, and Im using one hander, but I out perform him in any other game that requires more twitch based skill.
It's very frustrating, and Im trying to learn, but it's feeling far more work than worth right now.
Few things.
Everyone except very good players will get roughed at level 22, it's because most of the players are level 30, 31 or even more, so there's quite a big stat difference. Technically, you really are cannon fodder till you hit atleast 27.
About your friend, define "doing better"? It's normal that he's getting more kills with a two hander, two handers have much higher damage than one handers and because of this you get more killing blows.
It was frustrating to all of us at first, this game takes a while to get a hang of. Most of us started with Native where you already have a "max level" char and are on equal playing ground (except the player skill). Also, the average cRPG player is better than the average Native, so I can imagine it must be quite frustrating to come here and get your ass handed to you 24/7.
Stick with it, practice and you'll eventually become good, how much time depending on your talent.
If it's below 100, you're blowin it. Ya blew it. I loved her. Ya blew it.
I know Im kind of judging this before getting 'good' at it, but Im really feeling at the brute end of the stick for this. I've roughed it out through peasant up to level 22 now, and I wouldn't call myself a shabby gamer, but too often it feels like Im just cannon fodder. Only really good for standing at a flag in Siege.
Oddly my less savy friend who plays this seems to be doing better than me. I don't want to say it's because he's using a two hander, and Im using one hander, but I out perform him in any other game that requires more twitch based skill.
It's very frustrating, and Im trying to learn, but it's feeling far more work than worth right now.
Tried it out, still getting smoked by two handers, and pole arm users.You're starting at a pretty painful time; most of the community is quite good at this point. Things will get better if you stick with it.
If it's below 100, you're blowin it. Ya blew it. I loved her. Ya blew it.The speed and damage gained from WPF are linear. There isn't some threshold effect for dropping below 100. For example, going from 100 to 99 wpf will drop your damage output by 0.15%.
The speed and damage gained from WPF are linear. There isn't some threshold effect for dropping below 100. For example, going from 100 to 99 wpf will drop your damage output by 0.15%.
Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
Alternatively, learn footwork, timing and use a long one handed sword.
No, you wrote that he fails because of reach and then suggested that he gets a shorter weapon.
It is absolutely not a retarded idea to suggest to a newbie to use a super short weapon that he will be struggling to hit enemies with :rolleyes:
It was a speed issue I suffered from. People with two handers hitting me before I hit them when Im basically hugging them.
dont bother with throwing for a generation or 2, just adds more complexity and you'll end up getting yourself killed far more often that you actually hit or kill enemies.
also the part about putting your shield on your back is crap. leave that stupid stuff for the autoblockers. a GOOD shielder will rarely put his shield away.
What are you talking about? A good 1 hander doesn't need to waste his shield in 1v1's. If you've taken a shield because you can't manual block, then you've chosen 1H for the wrong reasons. Sure waste your shield for no reason if you want, I guess the floor is littered with shields from 1H shielders who tried to chase back peddling 2H sworders
Just gonna put it here. 2h is the easiest class.The only thing you need to learn is manual blocking, and that's it.It's not that easy. I remember being amazed at two last players of a team, top players, exchanging a dozen swings and blocking the bulk of em. The chat was filled with people saying 'wow, how the fuck do you do that?' The average manual blocking skill slowly increased to the ridiculously high point where its at now. For months after the release shielder was by far the easiest class, even disregarding the missile blocking capabilities.
The class you need the least skill in to still be useful. The end.This is just complete bullshit. Give a new player a 2h and he will die as soon as he is targeted, give a new player a shield and he does much better. Or a horse and a lance for that matter. Or a bow or crossbow.
It's not that easy. I remember being amazed at two last players of a team, top players, exchanging a dozen swings and blocking the bulk of em. The chat was filled with people saying 'wow, how the fuck do you do that?' The average manual blocking skill slowly increased to the ridiculously high point where its at now. For months after the release shielder was by far the easiest class, even disregarding the missile blocking capabilities.
For a new player to become an effective 2h takes hours and hours of practice. Whereas being effective at ranged takes a handful of hours to adapt to the missile speed and the missile drop. Its just that this game is addictive as crack that most people easily spend hundreds of hours into this game and learn blocking very well.
This is just complete bullshit. Give a new player a 2h and he will die as soon as he is targeted, give a new player a shield and he does much better. Or a horse and a lance for that matter. Or a bow or crossbow.
This is just complete bullshit. Give a new player a 2h and he will die as soon as he is targeted, give a new player a shield and he does much better. Or a horse and a lance for that matter. Or a bow or crossbow.I wouldn't say that. A newbie shielder is easily the least dangerous class in the game. Most of those can't even return attacks and mostly just get in the way of their allies, being more of a burden than a boon to their team. A newbie 2her can jump into a clusterfuck and hit stuff for lots of damage.
I wouldn't say that. A newbie shielder is easily the least dangerous class in the game. Most of those can't even return attacks and mostly just get in the way of their allies, being more of a burden than a boon to their team. A newbie 2her can jump into a clusterfuck and hit stuff for lots of damage.
Level 24 now, and starting to actually contribute. The left swing thing I never knew about and has helped me the most so far. I still get rocked by most people, but I get the occasional archer kill, or lucky kill on some person I believe to be 30.
I made the mistake of throwing some points into throwing which Im regretting now, hoping I had thrown that all into one handed more. Got like 129 weapon proficiency, and still wear light armour/lightshield. Been trying the Italian sword now instead of the Nordic Short. It's not as bad as it was when I started, but I think Im going to try two hander next Gen.
Stick with it, my first generation I went 253 deaths before getting a killHmm, lets see. 253 deaths is 253 rounds, let's say the average round takes 4 minutes. That is 1012 minutes or 16,9 hours of gameplay without a kill. With an average multiplier of 2 that brings you at level 26.
Hmm, lets see. 253 deaths is 253 rounds, let's say the average round takes 4 minutes. That is 1012 minutes or 16,9 hours of gameplay without a kill. With an average multiplier of 2 that brings you at level 26.
That long until your first kill is not really normal.
I wouldn't say that. A newbie shielder is easily the least dangerous class in the game. Most of those can't even return attacks and mostly just get in the way of their allies, being more of a burden than a boon to their team. A newbie 2her can jump into a clusterfuck and hit stuff for lots of damage.
Yep. Newbie shielders are the easiest to spam and kill. And then they think the game's broken.That is so fun fun fun! Especially with my loomed long war axe. They wonder what the hell hit them because there is nothing they can do to stop me.
Yep. Newbie shielders are the easiest to spam and kill. And then they think the game's broken.Yup. Shielder is the worst class for new guys.
Yup. Shielder is the worst class for new guys.
If you like learning parts of game at a time and a less steep learning curve, shields are great. If you like getting throw into trial by fire and having an even more frustrating learning period that not having a shield is just for you
I have some advice nobody has given. Join a clan that will teach you how to fight. If you are interested, I will make you my apprentice and teach you everything I know with some one on one duels. I have never trained anybody except saulcanner but I will take you on. Let me know. I am in clan TKoV.
I can attest to Rainbow's fantastic training methods.
This is me after going through his course:(click to show/hide)
Wow, you have lost 80 pounds in his course?
chadz text doesn't... improve your swingspeed. at all.
chadz text doesn't... improve your swingspeed. at all.maybe but this doesn't explain strange slowness of beginners even with balanced builds.
maybe but this doesn't explain strange slowness of beginners even with balanced builds.Player skill?
Player skill?and how player skill affect swing speed. I know that turning into swing helps a little but my swinging speed is faster than it was at beginning almost year ago.
and how player skill affect swing speed. I know that turning into swing helps a little but my swinging speed is faster than it was at beginning almost year ago.How chadtext happens is unpredictable, what it does is not.
So my conclusion is there must be something else which is affecting swing speed not only wpf and chadz text is very unpredictable.
How chadtext happens is unpredictable, what it does is not.I don't play strat. But I've started with mount and musket and i don't see any slowness here. Then I was captured by crpg. From start I was wondering why was my swing speed so slow even with 140 wpf.
It gives you 3 crafting skill in each item you have equipped when you get the message. And it gives -1 crafting skill for every item you already have a skill in. This is strictly for strategus.
I can attest to Rainbow's fantastic training methods.
This is me after going through his course:(click to show/hide)
I don't play strat. But I've started with mount and musket and i don't see any slowness here. Then I was captured by crpg. From start I was wondering why was my swing speed so slow even with 140 wpf.lol it isnt chadz text never has been.
So I make ninja(agiwhore) char 12/27 and start backstabbing and it work good until soak change in armor, so i returned to balanced build but slowness remained. After returning to standard builds I begun to duel a bit trying feints and in that time first chadz text begin to appear. After 2 or so chadz txt I've noticed small improvement in swing speed.
But if it's not chadz text then maybe skillz :mrgreen:. Btw I have no masterskills still I swing faster then in beginning :shock:.
I don't play strat. But I've started with mount and musket and i don't see any slowness here. Then I was captured by crpg. From start I was wondering why was my swing speed so slow even with 140 wpf.
So I make ninja(agiwhore) char 12/27 and start backstabbing and it work good until soak change in armor, so i returned to balanced build but slowness remained. After returning to standard builds I begun to duel a bit trying feints and in that time first chadz text begin to appear. After 2 or so chadz txt I've noticed small improvement in swing speed.
But if it's not chadz text then maybe skillz :mrgreen:. Btw I have no masterskills still I swing faster then in beginning :shock:.
guess you fail to take into account WHO is asking for advice. telling a new player to put his shield on his back to fight 2h'er is about the stupidest advice you could give.
the advice is..dont chase fast 2h users. Keep your shield up and look for teammates for help or just rope-e-dope until help arrives. practice on duel server how to fight agi whore 2h'ers
I started off as a 2H -- I played every class and have been playing 1H for ages now. Out of all the classes, it's one of the trickiest to play well.
Quite frankly, this is the worst advice for a new player I can think of. What you're advising a new guy to do is turtle up -- He learns nothing from that and dies constantly for his pains. You're setting a new guy up to become someone who moans on the forum about how unfair it is that the speed isn't right.
If he tries manual blocking and doesn't crutch on his shield constantly to block when he doesn't have to, then yes, he absolutely will die to more experienced players. However, he will learn to manual block in the process and will get a much better grasp of how the game plays out. As a 1Her you need to block a 2Her twice to get into their range and be able to actually swing -- If you have a shield up too, you're looking at 3 blocks before you can hit back and remember you'll be chasing them as you do it and giving up your swing turns to move slowly after them.
Good job generalizing way too much. First thing I teach my shielders is left swing counter attacking, and to NOT turtle up.
Get a long 1h sword and pull back a right swing, learn your range and timing and see how many 2h axes wanna play ball. You can keep them at bay for quite awhile. Learn how to do a few change up feigns into leftswing or overhead, that shit isnt rocket science...and about 100x easier than learning to manual parry. Learning with a shield doubles your average life expectancy. Noobie 2h'ers are pretty worthless on the other hand.