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Title: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on February 16, 2012, 03:11:31 am
In an effort to decrease heirloom prices, I encourage everyone to refuse to buy any heirlooms priced more than 500k per loom. Eventually, if everyone participates there will be a passive decrease in prices until they get to a less ridiculous level. With each passing day more heirlooms are created, thus prices should be going down anyway.

So join me, in an effort to reunite Calradia. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2012, 03:24:02 am
Say NO to SOPA/PIPA!

Don't buy anything from major record companies for a month!

Don't... oh wait. Why am I here?

Yeah, heirlooms. Too high, must resist, don't buy, don't buy...arghhh...
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Adamar on February 16, 2012, 03:26:48 am
I dont even have that sort of money. Seriously guys, how much gold cold you possibly need?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on February 16, 2012, 03:37:57 am
Added relevant poll.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: isatis on February 16, 2012, 03:53:49 am
Quote
User: In an effort to decrease heirloom prices, I encourage everyone to refuse to buy any heirlooms priced more than 500k per loom. Eventually, if everyone participates there will be a passive decrease in prices until they get to a less ridiculous level. With each passing day more heirlooms are created, thus prices should be going down anyway. So join me, in an effort to reunite Calradia. Or something like that.

Cleverbot: That's true. I think you should find something to help us.

voilĂ !

cleverbot lead the path !! refuse to pay! consumer unite!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Tanken on February 16, 2012, 04:55:45 am
So who wants to buy my loompoint for 700k?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Renten on February 16, 2012, 04:59:39 am
Sounds entirely awesome, yet it would just make rich people even richer by holding prices down.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on February 16, 2012, 05:00:40 am
So who wants to buy my loompoint for 700k?
thisisseriousbiznis

EDIT:
Sounds entirely awesome, yet it would just make rich people even richer by holding prices down.

Not if they get rich from selling loompoints.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on February 16, 2012, 07:24:08 am
I dont even have that sort of money. Seriously guys, how much gold cold you possibly need?

Don't make me slap you! If you weren't respecing every 2 seconds then it wouldn't be an issue would it. I've already said your not allowed to own looms anyway. I wish you would remember the rules I make up for you.

The only reason people demand more gold for each loom and so on and so forth is because everyone else is. Its getting harder and hard to pick up gear.

+1s have become retard in the last week. I've personaly pulled all my prices down to what I think is a reasonable and sane level.

I have a shield up for 375 if you PM me I'll drop it 350.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: MaTtHiAs_M on February 16, 2012, 07:28:17 am
i'm still buying loompoints for 600k. why not?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Glyph on February 16, 2012, 08:02:58 am
the problem is, if suddenly the heirloomprices go down, the people who sold all their looms can buy a shitload more of them, which wouldn't be fair.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: TheNeX on February 16, 2012, 10:41:55 am
I dont think you can decrease inflation by putting a set number to the heirloom sell.

Even if you could set a standard price, remember that ppl still keep gaining money, which would just inflate the prices in the market.

Also, heirloom selling is a nice way for a new player to make some money and close the gap with a long time player. I know this well, being a 2nd gen, without selling my loom it would have took me weeks before being able to afford anything +2 (since i did about 60k my 1st gen, from upkeep and so).

Selling a loom for 600k gives you almost a +2 item or almost 2 items +1 in the market, if you are buying low.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: chadz on February 16, 2012, 10:44:10 am
OP=cheapo

don't listen to this nonsense, there is no heirloom bubble! Heirlooms are an investment! Buy them no matter what!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Tzar on February 16, 2012, 10:44:25 am
lol i cant afford buying loom points anyways so idc....  :lol:

In the end the problem will go away because they cant sell their loom points anyways
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: dodnet on February 16, 2012, 10:48:27 am
don't listen to this nonsense, there is no heirloom bubble! Heirlooms are an investment! Buy them no matter what!

I smell a database wipe incoming  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Tzar on February 16, 2012, 10:59:11 am
Remove heirlooms an market an make a gold reset for epic win an use of the upkeep system
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: rustyspoon on February 16, 2012, 02:11:48 pm
Don't know why people complain about loom prices, 'cause it's kind of a good thing. A noobie can retire once and sell their loompoint for 600k. They'll never have to worry about upkeep ever again. Hell, they can sell a loompoint and buy a +1 item right after that and make a profit.

Or, you could retire 3 times get yourself a MW weapon and play the market like everyone else.

The prices aren't really outrageous when you realize you're not so much buying an item as you are buying someone else's time.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2012, 03:11:48 pm
In an effort to decrease heirloom prices, I encourage everyone to refuse to buy any heirlooms priced more than 500k per loom. Eventually, if everyone participates there will be a passive decrease in prices until they get to a less ridiculous level. With each passing day more heirlooms are created, thus prices should be going down anyway.

So join me, in an effort to reunite Calradia. Or something like that.

I wonder what is the part of the people that agree on this that ever sold a loom point. I think I can be certain that it is higher than the proportion of economics graduates among those yesmen. Just like any embargo, it works if you have means to force people not to buy/to buy things. You don't do trades without a seller, or without a buyer.

Ask who's seriously willing to sell heirloom points for 500k gold. And enjoy the silence.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Teeth on February 16, 2012, 03:23:57 pm
I hate the fucking prices. I hate leveling, I don't want to ever retire again, but that seems to be the only way to ever get me more loompoints. The prices increase faster than I earn money. Guess 7 loompoints is all I'll ever have.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2012, 03:27:29 pm
I would like to see full wipe. It will make things fresh again.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2012, 03:30:53 pm
I hate the fucking prices. I hate leveling, I don't want to ever retire again, but that seems to be the only way to ever get me more loompoints. The prices increase faster than I earn money. Guess 7 loompoints is all I'll ever have.

I hate fighting people that constantly have a 4 level advantage over me, and an even bigger one during half my playtime (yes this is accurate for me. I would be level 34 now if I hadn't retired at all). Heirlooms only very slightly make up for that.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2012, 03:34:22 pm
What level were you before upkeep patch?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Aleta on February 16, 2012, 03:37:59 pm
Best way to decrease heirloom prices is to have all the prisoners in a chinese prison farm heirlooms 24/7 and sell them cheaply for a dollar a piece.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2012, 03:38:42 pm
I already suggested that. They said no.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2012, 03:40:29 pm
What level were you before upkeep patch?

Good question. Somewhere around 38 iirc. But it doesn't matter a lot. I downleveled to ~28 after the patch.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2012, 04:15:30 pm
Well, at the same time I was level 30. That's 8 level difference, between me and you. And between me and let's say Ujin, there was 13 level difference. I didn't mind that at all. Also had no looms and had normal ninja build. Was very satisfied. Four level difference can be pretty big if the build in question is one of those min-maxing builds (like STR oriented builds). Otherwise difference isn't that big.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Turboflex on February 16, 2012, 04:16:37 pm
OP=cheapo

don't listen to this nonsense, there is no heirloom bubble! Heirlooms are an investment! Buy them no matter what!

I insist you add a feature where I can take out loans using my current heirlooms as collateral (receive 90% of their value as credit) so I can speculate and buy more heirlooms with that money.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Teeth on February 16, 2012, 04:20:41 pm
I hate fighting people that constantly have a 4 level advantage over me, and an even bigger one during half my playtime (yes this is accurate for me. I would be level 34 now if I hadn't retired at all). Heirlooms only very slightly make up for that.
I hate that too, hence the stopping retiring. Maybe you should do that too. Recently reached lvl 32 and man, 21/21 is amazing. Its just that changing class is going to make my cry.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: chadz on February 16, 2012, 04:37:34 pm
I insist you add a feature where I can take out loans using my current heirlooms as collateral (receive 90% of their value as credit) so I can speculate and buy more heirlooms with that money.

sounds like a valid request. I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Glyph on February 16, 2012, 04:45:53 pm
OP=cheapo

don't listen to this nonsense, there is no heirloom bubble! Heirlooms are an investment! Buy them no matter what!
you're just trying to drag us through the bad economie  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Camaris on February 16, 2012, 05:40:45 pm
I have no problems with heirlooms and market prices.
BUT if heirlooms ever get reset then kill them alltogether.

I dont want to grind them again.
(Though im glad that its more the fun in playing m&b  crpg then gathering heirlooms that keeps me playing :P)
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2012, 06:05:15 pm
Well, at the same time I was level 30. That's 8 level difference, between me and you. And between me and let's say Ujin, there was 13 level difference. I didn't mind that at all. Also had no looms and had normal ninja build. Was very satisfied. Four level difference can be pretty big if the build in question is one of those min-maxing builds (like STR oriented builds). Otherwise difference isn't that big.

When I started out as a peasant, I was extremely satisfied with the game. It was kind of unique in the sense that most MP games put everyone on the same pillar and then the players with the most adapted skillset win. When you are a peasant in cRPG, even surviving is a small victory. But I kind of lost that attitude with patches that forced me and others to win battles to pay the upkeep. Before, fighting level 40+ people was a cool challenge, without anything horrible happening if you lose. Now it's not fun anymore, with upkeep and multiplier that drag everybody into this stupid and dull goal of winning rounds.

I'll keep retiring atleast up to gen 16, which is still quite far away. Then I'll consider leveling. I like retirement, it keeps my build flexible with all the changes.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: SixThumbs on February 16, 2012, 09:04:13 pm
Is upkeep really that bad? Did you guys all buy sports cars using 80-90% of your money and then couldn't afford the insurance?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: MR_FISTA on February 16, 2012, 10:01:47 pm
il be retiring soon I sell loom for 650k, kk thx bye
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Laufknoten on February 16, 2012, 10:18:32 pm
Marktplace is evil! And you loom point sellers will burn in hell!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Zanze on February 16, 2012, 10:45:37 pm
Increase upkeep.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Corwin on February 16, 2012, 10:48:36 pm
In an effort to decrease heirloom prices, I encourage everyone to refuse to buy any heirlooms priced more than 500k per loom. Eventually, if everyone participates there will be a passive decrease in prices until they get to a less ridiculous level. With each passing day more heirlooms are created, thus prices should be going down anyway.

So join me, in an effort to reunite Calradia. Or something like that.

This would never work. The only way to stop the inflation is to increase upkeep.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on February 16, 2012, 11:11:45 pm
OP=cheapo

don't listen to this nonsense, there is no heirloom bubble! Heirlooms are an investment! Buy them no matter what!
It's not that I'm cheap, I'm currently looking to buy a +3 kettle helmet for 1.7m. The part that bothers me is that a month ago it would go for 1.3m.

I'm not cheap, "some" other people are selfish. I always sell looms for ~400k and before it got bad I sold them for ~300k. But "some" people get a taste of the riches and they can't handle it and they need more and more and more and more and more^23.

Notice how I use "some" as to imply the world isn't completely full of scumbags (<- and that was a joke)
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: HUtH on February 17, 2012, 12:06:52 am
Hmm what about adding an option of "unlooming" items? Possibility to make from +3 item a +2 item and loompoint(and so on)? That's a serious move, because it'd add great flexibility to the market, which would change things drastically. I think it'd decrease value of loompoint to more stable level, and possibly it'd slowly go down alongside with more and more retired chars. But I'm not sure about this completely...

Also, if 'unlooming" had come true, an option to "unloom" item not to loompoint, but to money, would give devs power to adjust prices(in some range) on market by setting a value of loompoint(I wonder how chadz would set that...) - and by that the prices of already loomed items(generally about 400k for l-point would be appropriate, because of money one can gain in one gen, which varies around 400k depends on lvl) . But that kind of "central planning" together with easy unlooming would totally kill trading as it is today.

Sooo, well.. free market with different prices, inflation etc. or dull but stable controlled market.

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Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Earthdforce on March 02, 2012, 04:04:43 am
Necro revive!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: MrShine on March 02, 2012, 04:14:46 am
I agree, as the great economist Dr. P Daddy once said, "mo money mo problems".
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Taser on March 02, 2012, 08:45:28 am
No one did it yet? Interesting... well..


BACOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

I believe this is the only option available to us that can effectively manage the problem at hand.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Tiberias on March 02, 2012, 12:47:12 pm
Once, there was a time you were able to buy a point for 350-400k... :lol:

I miss these times... :evil:
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Corwin on March 02, 2012, 01:06:37 pm
chadz, STOP PRINTING MONEY!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Artmarius on March 02, 2012, 01:33:10 pm
Ho ,ho,  ..Hold  oonn..

YOU know ...how much  time \nerves ...and some Repairs pay u PUT for dat "shitty highpride loompoint"

price are good.

So be it.

Thing about - oh! look there is another loom seller! oh! and another ! drop down da price!  - bullshit.

Cuz they know right point for that too

Sore about ma eng xD
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Leshma on March 02, 2012, 03:52:42 pm
YOU know ...how much  time \nerves ...and some Repairs pay u PUT for dat "shitty highpride loompoint"

8,735,843 XP

I currently have 109,463,094 XP on my main.

Where are my...

Code: [Select]
109,463,094/8,735,843=12,53
12,53x600,000=7,518,000

7 million 518 thousand gold coins???
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 02, 2012, 08:34:46 pm
Ho ,ho,  ..Hold  oonn..

YOU know ...how much  time \nerves ...and some Repairs pay u PUT for dat "shitty highpride loompoint"

price are good.

So be it.

Thing about - oh! look there is another loom seller! oh! and another ! drop down da price!  - bullshit.

Cuz they know right point for that too

Sore about ma eng xD
As a gen 12, I know that I rarely make 500k in one generation. So why should anything that takes that long give you that much money?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Artmarius on March 03, 2012, 12:19:58 am
As a gen 12, I know that I rarely make 500k in one generation. So why should anything that takes that long give you that much money?

Well...uh cant.

Maybe uh too dummy guy . At gen 8 uh lost all damn gold  AND sold ma 9 gen loompoint for 500k cuz uh rly need it.

Well ....is u had so , that is da reason to make u put that post.

sore... :?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Artmarius on March 03, 2012, 12:22:50 am
8,735,843 XP

I currently have 109,463,094 XP on my main.

Where are my...

Code: [Select]
109,463,094/8,735,843=12,53
12,53x600,000=7,518,000

7 million 518 thousand gold coins???

Exp -  ....

But Gold?

HOW?

U wear full armoar...

Mb u alredy have x5 when u just come to serv? -.-
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Gatsby on March 03, 2012, 12:39:58 am
Well in 31 lvls u can do almost 100k more or less, so i don't spend more then 200k for an item rank1 and so on. maybe just a little more for a pure point. And if i can't find anything that cheap, well i live anyway
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Hippy on March 03, 2012, 05:23:33 am
OP=cheapo

don't listen to this nonsense, there is no heirloom bubble! Heirlooms are an investment! Buy them no matter what!

Well it's not that bad of a suggestion  :wink:

But really if prices keep going up then buying a lot now at these "high" prices just means that later, if it keeps following the current pattern, they will be worth a lot more and you will fetch a profit. Heirlooms are an investment, buy no matter what!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 03, 2012, 04:34:37 pm
But really if prices keep going up then buying a lot now at these "high" prices just means that later, if it keeps following the current pattern, they will be worth a lot more and you will fetch a profit. Heirlooms are an investment, buy no matter what!
But then if you ever want to buy heirlooms again their prices will be higher than when you sold all of your heirlooms. Then you will lose all of your profit.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: clown1231 on March 03, 2012, 07:14:03 pm
Now with 40 percent bacon it seems...
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: copper on March 04, 2012, 05:48:48 am
If people are willing to pay a certain price for an heirloom then that's what it's worth. It's called an economy; get with the program.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 04, 2012, 06:10:30 am
If people are willing to pay a certain price for an heirloom then that's what it's worth. It's called an economy; get with the program.
And occasionally there are issues with an economy and they should generally be fixed. It's called inflation; America is doing it too. And America is in a shitty state right now, isn't it?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 04, 2012, 06:12:01 am
And occasionally there are issues with an economy and they should generally be fixed. It's called inflation; America Most of the modern world is doing it too. And America Most of the modern world is in a shitty state right now, isn't it?

At least c-RPG ain't Greece.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 04, 2012, 06:18:37 am
At least c-RPG ain't Greece.  :mrgreen:
Not yet it's not. But that's where it will go if people don't stop asking for arms, legs, and spleens for their looms.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: SuperNewb on March 04, 2012, 07:41:35 am
I laugh at all you guys needing looms... who on earth would buy that kind of crap? It gives barely any stats when you could sell it for about 500k or so (don't know)...
On a side note: +3 Straw Hat ftw
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: BlackMilk on March 04, 2012, 08:59:24 am
Well...uh cant.

Maybe uh too dummy guy . At gen 8 uh lost all damn gold  AND sold ma 9 gen loompoint for 500k cuz uh rly need it.

Well ....is u had so , that is da reason to make u put that post.

sore... :?
:?
What?

Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 04, 2012, 09:45:29 am
If people are willing to pay a certain price for an heirloom then that's what it's worth. It's called an economy; get with the program.
I lol at the crpg economic crisis.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Slamz on March 05, 2012, 12:41:33 am
I have 300,000 coins and am willing to step right to the forefront of this anti-inflation movement by purchasing a loom point!  Step right up!  Help drive down costs by selling me your loom point for 300k!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Tristan on March 05, 2012, 01:12:29 am
It is quite possible that there is being generated more gold than heirlooms, hence the price.

A lot of hardcore players are lvl 31+ hence don't reitre and produce heirlooms but generate lots of gold. They too increase the price quite severely.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: MrShine on March 05, 2012, 01:34:32 pm
It doesn't matter how expensive things get, loom points will always be of higher value than the majority of the market.  I see +1 looms for 700k and +3 looms for 2 mill, and I doubt many of them are ever sold, simply because you can loom something from 0 -> +3 for cheaper.

Therefore, selling loom points will remain beneficial for new players, because they have a better chance at turning 2 gens into a +3 item.

If anything having prices go down will only benefit the wealthy players more, since their money will suddenly be worth more on the market.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on March 06, 2012, 05:40:35 am
It doesn't matter how expensive things get, loom points will always be of higher value than the majority of the market.  I see +1 looms for 700k and +3 looms for 2 mill, and I doubt many of them are ever sold, simply because you can loom something from 0 -> +3 for cheaper.

Therefore, selling loom points will remain beneficial for new players, because they have a better chance at turning 2 gens into a +3 item.

If anything having prices go down will only benefit the wealthy players more, since their money will suddenly be worth more on the market.
Quiet you anti-yuppie scum!
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on March 06, 2012, 06:54:30 am
I'm gen 5 I only have 900k and 2 +3s I feel ripped off! I demand a government hand out! LOOMS FOR ME! yay
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on June 30, 2012, 05:21:25 am
Shit man I know I said I wanted money taken out of the system but this banner system is getting redonkleaps
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on June 30, 2012, 06:03:14 am
When the devil did I vote on this?
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Chris_P_Bacon on June 30, 2012, 06:06:12 am
When the devil did I vote on this?
Probably in March. I resurrected it hardcore.
Title: Re: Anti-inflation Movement
Post by: Baggy on June 30, 2012, 06:15:46 am
Loompoints are pretty stable at 600k.