What happened?Nothing, kesh is just crying over spilled milk and proving that he's a hypocrite, regardless of whether or not the dev's actions were justified.
What happened?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjR2m33duNA happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjR2m33duNA happenedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLxHJY0lQI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLxHJY0lQI)
Nothing, kesh is just crying over spilled milk and proving that he's a hypocrite, regardless of whether or not the dev's actions were justified.Nah. Kesh is just mad that his carebear alliance is falling apart.
i thought if they did anything it would be bans or something to that effect this seems FAR MORE BETTERERERER then anything like thatMASSIVE +1! I think this was much cooler, fair and entertaining than anything else they could have done. Banning the people who did it? Please, one guy banned wouldn't compensate for what they gained. Banning all Fallens? Too much of an overkill. Making an attack themselves using hillarious flying carpets and magical staffs? Hillarious as fuck and still giving Fallen a fighting chance. Btw, did you get any magical staff loot?
Using magic carpets in the middle of strategus to kill off a thousand troops and all that gear. Hard to take it seriously when the developers just fuck over people they don't like. They had so many multi-account users, glitch abusers last strat that they did nothing too and loki admits to attacking his fief to give more time for reinforcements and they feel free to manipulate the code to their own ends (in favor of factions they support).
You do realize that the Fallen enemies outnumber them in players and trooops like 8:1??? You juts ruined the fun of a valorous defense so that chadz can show he is willing to screw with you on strategus with his magic carpets whenever he feels like it. Seriously fuck it, who elese wants to do a walkout on strat 3.0 and saya big fuck you to the donkey and let UIF have no one to fight but themselves and their 20 clan alliance.
Nah. Kesh is just mad that his carebear alliance is falling apart.
EDIT:MASSIVE +1! I think this was much cooler, fair and entertaining than anything else they could have done. Banning the people who did it? Please, one guy banned wouldn't compensate for what they gained. Banning all Fallens? Too much of an overkill. Making an attack themselves using hillarious flying carpets and magical staffs? Hillarious as fuck and still giving Fallen a fighting chance. Btw, did you get any magical staff loot?
Definitely a UIF crony.true dat
I'm pretty sure Fallen weren't the first and aren't the last to abuse this bug.
Yeah DRZ did this to us repeatedly last strat, where they would have members without the banner on attack their own fiefs and then you would see those same guys with the banner on a week later. They did far worse than that with nightitime settings where you couldn't even attack them, but chadz doesn't do shit to them, except what he should do - change the game so gaping hole glitches are not into effect, but when it comes to Fallen, who told him about this 1 month ago, he doesn't fix it, instead he goes ahead and kills a 1000 troops of theirs, which he hasn't done to any other faction because he doesn;t like the fallen members.SW:TOR Looks very disappointing. Could have been so much more. They would have done better taking Battlefront 3 and turning that into an MMO. But I digress.
Biased bullshit raised to the level of hacking your own mod to fuck people over makes me lose all respect for him and I am like 50% sure I am headed toward star wars thats coming out, M&B 2 when that's finished, saint's row 3, eu3 and skyrim as all a lot more fun and reliable.
I'm pretty sure Fallen weren't the first and aren't the last to abuse this bug.
I'm pretty sure Fallen weren't the first and aren't the last to abuse this bug.
Also, fix the damn fief transfer system already. You can't always be sure whether some clan actually needs to transfer a fief at the same time somebody else is sending an army or if they're just delaying.
This was by far the classiest and most entertaining retribution to abusing game mechanics I've witnessed. I will absolutely NOT be quitting cprg, on the contrary, I will continue to play and hope Al_Adin rains down righteous hellfire on future transgressors.
Enjoy it 2x when it's you.
mh...
I agree it is was not a very nice move of us/our leadership.
Howsoever we stated that this possibility excists like one month ago.
nothing was done about it, which kind of draws me to the conclusion that it is not forbidden?
Guide me to the rules (I am not very active on the forums) if I am wrong but why would you not make use of an implemented future which is still implemented after 1 month and no one stated that it is an "exploit" from the official side???
Plus the fact that other clans have been using it before without getting a punishment just reeinforces my believe that this is not an exploit (again, I didnt like it aswell)
"first rule of em all: common sense"
~ chadz
that is exactly what I tried, apply common sense to analyze the things which happened and above (aswell quoted by you) you can see the conclusion I came to :)
Your common sense is extremely flawed if you reach the conclusion that it's okay to abuse a mechanic that makes no sense to lockdown your fief for 24 hours.Granted, on its own, it seems like a no no. But if you've been around for previous versions of Strategus, there's 2 things that stood out in a very annoying fashion. First, you can rub the dev team's nose in an obvious exploit, and most of the time, they still won't fix it till it gets mass abused. Second, exploiting has a history of being mandatory to stay competitive in Strategus. Taking that kind of history into account, it actually makes sense to abuse the exploit. But it seems like an actual punishment system is coming in for exploiters, and that excites me. I really hope this isn't just a one time thing.
Yep. Best thing about this is that it shows exploiting isn't worth it and devs will take action.
Yep. Best thing about this is that it shows exploiting isn't worth it and devs will take action.
again you fail to read my post (first one)
why was no one else punished before?
I didn't fail to read anything. Who else abused this bug in Strat 3.0?Actually, BRD did with Jelbegi as well as a few other clans around the same time I believe. At that point I don't think devs really knew about it at least not that it would take form as it did then. Next time I heard about it being used was this incident, which is probably why action was taken.
chadz's credibility 1 year ago : (Awesome) [---------|---] (Shit)
chadz's credibility 6 months ago : (Awesome) [----|-------] (Shit)
chadz's crediblity after the flying carpet event : (Awesome) [|------------] (Shit)
Actually, BRD did with Jelbegi as well as a few other clans around the same time I believe.
Yeah, honestly you sort of had it coming. Have nothing against you guys or what not but this is a "exploit" in strat that the devs are aware of and are trying to fix. People have used this exploit but the thing is it's usually not that big of a deal whether it be changing fief owners or delaying a battle. However when it's a battle like this involving so many people and clans it tends to cause more of a fiasco. You guys would have been clean but I do believe someone from your clan did admit to exploiting this bug openly. Of course their was dire consequences since someone out-right openly admitted it. Like everyone has said some people have exploited this bug however they didn't go out and say they were actually exploiting this bug. Since they did not actually say it no one has proof and therefore the devs could not do anything before. However when someone does have proof or admittedly uses such exploits to their advantage theirs consequences. I am some-what happy the devs did this, it kind of shows everyone else in strat what will happen to them if they try to use an exploit to their advantage until they finally add in that whole transfer ownership of fief system in. Although that is just my two cents.
so it would have been better for loki not to admit it? to just keep his mouth shut? or lie? cause then they woulda got away with it? the lesson here is... exploit like mad, just dont tell anyone about it and hope they dont fix it or punish you? fallen has been the number 1 advocate of getting this fixed the entire time, now they used it themselves because even after all this time, no fix and no warning not to do it, and how does loki react? he is glad they are finally punishing people for exploiting... in other words, his use of the exploit had 2 goals.. #1 and most important, was to delay the battle... and #2 was to make the exploit so well known that it would get enough attention to be fixed/addressed... #1 was a success... #2 is a partial success, as the devs still havent acknowledged it or anything, with the communication we have gotten from them, whos to say they didnt just fuck with fallen cause they felt like it and it had nothing to do with the exploit? (no i dont actually believe that, but it would be nice if they would just up and say "THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!").
The funniest part about this thread is the fact that Fallen seems to think it's funny and not really care and FCC is extremely upset.
Mmmmmm..... It tastes so good when ATS posts in a thread talking shit... Where's NE these days? Haven't seen ecko on steam much since he blocked me.I really don't think that was talking shit, but ok. I'm not familiar with this Ecko fellow you speak of, so I can't tell him anything. As far as NE, I couldn't even tell you what clans were in it since I don't really care much for strat.
Tell him I said Hi...
Kisses.
I wouldn't really call that talking shit, as Miracle is pretty much right. Loki and many other Fallen members do seem to be taking it in stride. I'd even go as far as to say that they are taking it far better than alot of the clans that have been mentioned doing it in the past would take it. Hell I think even I would be pretty sore about the whole thing.
I wouldn't really call that talking shit, as Miracle is pretty much right. Loki and many other Fallen members do seem to be taking it in stride. I'd even go as far as to say that they are taking it far better than alot of the clans that have been mentioned doing it in the past would take it. Hell I think even I would be pretty sore about the whole thing.
I have been staring at your avatar for 5 minutes now, it's mesmerizing.. kind of like Horatio Caine on steroids
What happened?
I'm pretty sure Fallen weren't the first and aren't the last to abuse this bug.
Kesh, please quit. I beg you. Gimme your looms first tho. Or I carpet bomb you.
Hell Hospitallers taught the Fallen this trick a month ago. I even posted about it in the forums: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,19928.0.htmlAfter browsing through so much Hospitaller/Occitan whine, only to read this...
Isnt one of the main developers in the fallen, why would you suggest Devs hate them?
View both of these to know whats going on
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21466.0.html
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21454.0.html
Punisher handles servers and is hardly active lately and even then why would this change what chadz thinks of us?
If i have to pick between ugly hairy russians and kesh i pick ugly hairy russians
Yerr! And does ne 1 remember why strat ended ubruptly last time? Does Kesh stealing a town by using haxploits ring a bell? Hrm??
Fallens got what was deserved but....
1) The punishment is arbitrary and random in its execution. With such a system how do you ensure future crimes get a proportional punishment?
2) How do you police it when from now on people will just use proxys, non-faction members or other factions in secret deals to do this. Alternatively they could just lie and say they forgot about the auto attack bug or they hit attack by mistake.
- Pecores attacked Aab by mistake and whilst i don't think for a second that it was anything but a mistake, it still tied Aab up for 24 hours. Anybody who claims that they made a mistake will always be able to point to this example from now on as proof that it does happen and that the Devs accepted it in the past.
- Hospitallers auto attacked Dashbigha for a 2nd time. Forgetfulness about the bug or a deliberate attempt to make sure the village couldn't be counter attacked?
3) How much Dev time is now going to have to be spent investigating and punishing people in Strat instead of designing and implementing ways of preventing this?
There was a guy on EU1 complaining bitterly about devs cheating because they attacked him on the map when doing so was "impossible".
Fallen deserved some punishment and got off very midly, in a very amusing way. I say, well done devs, keep it up! Everybody wins!
When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.A single "This is a bug do not use it" in the report thread or a "Guys i am canceling the attack because you abooze!" while the downlock time would have done the trick without that much drama.
The initial idea was to punish them by switching the fief to the AI (after all, the villagers were attacked by their masters).
When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.
And then we decided to do it roleplay style.
Yes, in an ideal world, the bug would have been fixed months ago. In an ideal world everyone would be happy with the balance. Every patch would be a success.
However, as a dev team that is doing this as a hobby, we cannot spend an endless amount of worktime into fixing this. In fact, the worktime we can spend is rather limited. This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'. If you are a leader of a big clan, we expect more from you than if you are just the idling workforce. Because strategus stands and falls with the community. So if we allow everyone being a dipshit with every exploit possible, the game won't be fun any more. You might want to check last round for reference.
So, all in all:
Don't invent a new way to fuck someone over and play fair.
sorry to see you go kesh, lemme get dem looms?
The initial idea was to punish them by switching the fief to the AI (after all, the villagers were attacked by their masters).
When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.
And then we decided to do it roleplay style.
Yes, in an ideal world, the bug would have been fixed months ago. In an ideal world everyone would be happy with the balance. Every patch would be a success.
However, as a dev team that is doing this as a hobby, we cannot spend an endless amount of worktime into fixing this. In fact, the worktime we can spend is rather limited. This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'. If you are a leader of a big clan, we expect more from you than if you are just the idling workforce. Because strategus stands and falls with the community. So if we allow everyone being a dipshit with every exploit possible, the game won't be fun any more. You might want to check last round for reference.
So, all in all:
Don't invent a new way to fuck someone over and play fair.
Btw will fallen have another punishment for ddosing hospi ts?
That's Von_Hazaa. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21482.0.html
Don't mind him, he's one of the dumbest people ever. Possibly even dumber than Kesh, although this would be extremely hard to prove and would drive the tester insane.
Wtf, why don't they contact me if they need a "timed" server restart? I want to own a loom for once...Just start using a weapon that no one else uses. Buff it invisibly, no one will notice an extra little line of code. If you are looking to join the dark side, you have endless possibilities to do so.
What is funny is that some clans only have a warning and some have punishment.
anyway it´s well known that they are a bunch of grieffing exploiters.This is well known!
The initial idea was to punish them by switching the fief to the AI (after all, the villagers were attacked by their masters).
When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.
And then we decided to do it roleplay style.
Yes, in an ideal world, the bug would have been fixed months ago. In an ideal world everyone would be happy with the balance. Every patch would be a success.
However, as a dev team that is doing this as a hobby, we cannot spend an endless amount of worktime into fixing this. In fact, the worktime we can spend is rather limited. This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'. If you are a leader of a big clan, we expect more from you than if you are just the idling workforce. Because strategus stands and falls with the community. So if we allow everyone being a dipshit with every exploit possible, the game won't be fun any more. You might want to check last round for reference.
So, all in all:
Don't invent a new way to fuck someone over and play fair.
what about the numerous other clans which locked up their villages this strat right after they conquered them to prevent counterattacks?That was a bug where you would auto re-attack I believe.
I'm with Fallen Loki on this, thank God that there is finally something being done about this, and that an example was had.
That was a bug where you would auto re-attack I believe.
I heard about it. Weirdly it never happened to us or any of our allies. and if any clan leader has a two digit IQ he could have used this bug aswell by simply stating it was an auto-attack even though it wasnt
Re-attack bug was posted on forum ages ago, it first happened with Druzhina 2 times in a row and we posted about it on forum.it happend to Union first if i'm not mistaken. when they took their 1st village in second try
Its not fixed guys so try to work ur way around it.
Yerr! And does ne 1 remember why strat ended ubruptly last time? Does Kesh stealing a town by using haxploits ring a bell? Hrm??
everybody know that was fallen that did that, hospi will confirm this... They will tell you that fallen are cheaters, using every glitch to win a strat, they can do everything for this, anyway it´s well known that they are a bunch of grieffing exploiters. I´m sure that if you read every hospi/occi thread you would even like to permaban all the clan! Sure they deserve it...
I read another thread by occitan, it seems that fallen even bribes dev to restart a server (they are even stupid exploiter as they asked to restart a server when they won the battle)
We attacked a town, and only 1 or 2 people showed up to defend it. We can't help that. We also didn't know that the spawns in the map were not set correctly, which allowed some of us to actually spawn inside the walls and take down the defender's flags, since the defenders spawned outside of the walls. We had no control over any of that, and almost everything we got by taking that town was taken away from us by the devs (which was fair moderation), so we gained very little. I think we may have been trying to raid the town instead of take it too, but I forget.
However, when this incident was posted on the forums, many other clans decided they wanted to "test" the bug for themselves. The amount of town battles that were listed after that was absurd, and that's what killed Strat 2. Many of the clans that did that like to call FCC and our allies exploiters, but we're not the ones that brought down Strat. We just accidentally showed everyone how to do it.
About this. He is referring to the battle between Occitan Shinock and RubiconCrossed BRD.
I would like to know what happened here. We came and fought the battle (lost but wasted equipment/tickets). How did the server crash at the end with only 4 guys left? Then why did the battle reset for 3hrs later and you were notified and we were not? Why would it not go to the end of the list instead of going in the middle? Then on top of that... get a 2k meter leap ahead of Shinock? Not to mention all of a sudden Rubicon is carrying 90crates? Then gets to Dustril and reinforces it. Yet we could not reinforce Arrowaine 2hrs after he attacked. I watched the whole thing as I was there directly involved trying to stop this from happening.
Do not get me wrong. I am glad that Fallen was punished by the devs. But it just goes to show you... every big battle that we have with fallen or brd, something fishy happens that seems to go in favor of them.
ALSO WHY WOULD AN NA CLAN LIKE FALLEN HAVE THEIR NIGHT TIME CHANGED TO 6PM-2AM EST? THAT IS PRIME TIME FOR ALL CLANS IN NA ASSHOLES! Again another EXPLOIT!
Exploiters got what they deserved! Notice past exploiters starting this thread? Thank you chadz for intervening instead of wiping. PLEASE JUST End this thread!
well, it was TKoV who did it, i was the only FCC there :P
and the defenders spawned inside the castle, but so did the attackers, it didnt matter though since the attackers had 4 players and the defenders 1, and the attackers had a ramp directly into the town, and ladders.
also, it wasnt just that so many other clans decided to try to actually exploit by having allies sign up for defense (instead of getting lucky with lazy enemies), it was also the weird shit in the last day or two of strat when the upkeep got increased so high that all the armies went broke, and rather than losing troops they gained troops. i think tankmen (who was locked down by a delay army) went from like 3k to 30k troops before the wipe happened.
all in all, this strat has had a lot less high impact bugs, and not a lot of obvious exploiting, so thats a nice change. i still say this was handled poorly though.
oh boy. ok so... first off, you shoulda heard our TS when the server went down with only 4 enemies left... people were pretty pissed off and calling bullshit considering how awesome a victory we had scored.
secondly, it was an HOUR later, not 3.
thirdly, we knew it went down right away and were waiting for it come back up for an entire hour, because when we checked battle results, there werent any, and it was still listed on the battle list.
fourth, it has been mentioned multiple times that loki tried to go into your TS and tell you, but was unable because of password, also, the fact you had even 4 people show up was only because some of our guys were telling them in na1 that it was resetting.
lastly, we would have preferred the first outcome as it cost you a lot more troops, and we gained just as much worthwhile gear out of it.
Yeah DRZ did this to us repeatedly last strat, where they would have members without the banner on attack their own fiefs and then you would see those same guys with the banner on a week later.
This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'.
3. Why did the server crash with only 4 live ppl left and 0 tickets?
OK Matey, you're memory is better than Mine.
As for last night's battle, I was honestly very surprised that Occ/Hosp players didn't stick around and even ask what was up on IRC like our side did. Nobody knew what was going on, why it went down, or what would happen when it came back up, though we were pretty sure we would have to restart the battle. Shik brought it back up after an hour, and after attempts to contact you guys were made.
I thought you would be waiting around for the server to restart like we were. On your TS trying to rally your troops. "We were lucky the server crashed! Here's our chance to fix what mistakes we made and try again!" Or something like that. I did not think you would be completely unprepared to fight it again. Wasn't anyone curious as to why it was still listed on the upcoming battles page? That it wasn't in your battle archive?
Yes -true.sorry we are not cheating like some people are and not using any glitch we dont need it we can rape you anytime in a fair figth in any serveur.
Also, with the battle i had 3 MW hornbows on me at the end - all the archer spicked up tons of great gear from you guys and frankly the 2.5:1 k/d we were much happier with first outcome. We thought you glitched it. Instead you only lost 30 troops and very little gear that we got, because we capped the flag right away.
sorry we got a life and we sleep compare to you! we dont pass our entire life on irc sorry
ALSO WHY WOULD AN NA CLAN LIKE FALLEN HAVE THEIR NIGHT TIME CHANGED TO 6PM-2AM EST? THAT IS PRIME TIME FOR ALL CLANS IN NA ASSHOLES! Again another EXPLOIT!
Wash your mouth "asshole"....if you would just read postings by other you might have noticed several of us said that Fallens are INTERNATIONAL!Actually it changed when you attacked your own village. Dont listen to this tard. Join the non exploiters and post. its an NA village na village should = na night time.
I for myself am proud to be a non NA but EU Fallen.
There is NO exploiting in setting my nighttime however it suit me....and if it does NOT suit you guys:
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its an NA village na village should = na night time.Dont have a clue if he changed it or not tbh.
Clearly your god is testing you. Are you not up to the task?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qapa7Xv4H-M
actually i think its funny with you guys even trying to defend this.
ALSO WHY WOULD AN NA CLAN LIKE FALLEN HAVE THEIR NIGHT TIME CHANGED TO 6PM-2AM EST? THAT IS PRIME TIME FOR ALL CLANS IN NA ASSHOLES! Again another EXPLOIT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjR2m33duNA happened
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The night time of Dustril being changed to 6pm-2am est time on an NA village is a blatant exploit.
I don't think it's nice you laughing... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9ID0I41Wk&feature=fvwrel)
Where do you ppl live? in japan? middle of pacific? Jeez. 6pm-2am est is what time for eu? Na? duh!
night time is used so that the majority of your clan can be on. Not to fuck over the other side. It is too bad that mostly trolls use the forums. No use arguing with blatant abusers of the game. nice try though.
Okay well LOKI did not come into our ts before or after the REAL battle because I banned him from our ts earlier for coming in before a smaller battle and trolling Templar_Alpha and the whole ts. Even changed his name to Alpha at one point. Also you we wasted anything worth using so... no you didnt get "worth while" gear. So all of this is a lie! Also this does not answer half of the questions I posted so stop turning it around.
1. Why is night time in Dustril set 6pm-2am est?
2. Why did Rubicon get a huge jump on Shinock carrying 90 crates?
3. Why did the server crash with only 4 live ppl left and 0 tickets?
4. Why was the battle reset for only 1hr or whatever it was after the real battle?
5. Why did Rubicon have 90 crates when we didnt lose a shit ton of gear and he had 390+ troops?
Where do you ppl live? in japan? middle of pacific? Jeez. 6pm-2am est is what time for eu? Na? duh!
night time is used so that the majority of your clan can be on. Not to fuck over the other side. It is too bad that mostly trolls use the forums. No use arguing with blatant abusers of the game. nice try though.
OK that bothers me, he asked "do you have three coffins read?" But then he shot four people...
OK that bothers me, he asked "do you have three coffins read?" But then he shot four people...Yeah that always bothered me too :D. I should watch the movie again, but maybe he ordered one more coffin after he came back from that shooting?