Who else is seriously thinking of quitting after what chadz did to Fallen?

[Slamz]

There was a guy on EU1 complaining bitterly about devs cheating because they attacked him on the map when doing so was "impossible".

So I think it's safe to say he just didn't understand game mechanics, but something the devs should think about is credibility.  If you use flying carpet cheats as a form of punishment, people will get the idea that you have other dev cheats and they will wonder how often you use them, and for what purposes.

I certainly wasn't able to tell the guy, "Look, moron, devs don't use cheats in Strategus."

Obviously, sometimes, you do.

[Keshian]

Fallens got what was deserved but....

1) The punishment is arbitrary and random in its execution.  With such a system how do you ensure future crimes get a proportional punishment?

2) How do you police it when from now on people will just use proxys, non-faction members or other factions in secret deals to do this.  Alternatively they could just lie and say they forgot about the auto attack bug or they hit attack by mistake. 

- Pecores attacked Aab by mistake and whilst i don't think for a second that it was anything but a mistake, it still tied Aab up for 24 hours. Anybody who claims that they made a mistake will always be able to point to this example from now on as proof that it does happen and that the Devs accepted it in the past.
- Hospitallers auto attacked Dashbigha for a 2nd time.  Forgetfulness about the bug or a deliberate attempt to make sure the village couldn't be counter attacked? 

3) How much Dev time is now going to have to be spent investigating and punishing people in Strat instead of designing and implementing ways of preventing this?

This sums up perfectly why I am pissed.  Doesn't matter what clan this happened too (though some abuse FAR FAR more) or that some of the Fallen take it in stride, its the fact that this arbitrary, capriciious, and random punishment doesn't fix things and will likely not be repeated except against people who are honest and upfront about bugs or exploiting, while the ones that simply are more discreet will have nothing to happen to them.  It also punishes an entire clan for the action of only a few within that clan.  Leaves almost no trust in developers and admins enforcement of game rules or even fixing bugs.

[Xant]

There was a guy on EU1 complaining bitterly about devs cheating because they attacked him on the map when doing so was "impossible".

That's Von_Hazaa. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21482.0.html

Don't mind him, he's one of the dumbest people ever. Possibly even dumber than Kesh, although this would be extremely hard to prove and would drive the tester insane.

[Skysong]

Why they were punished with such sense of humour at all?
Their strat golds/goods/troops should have been wiped and their fiefs should have been taken away without battle. 

[Teeth]

Fallen deserved some punishment and got off very midly, in a very amusing way. I say, well done devs, keep it up! Everybody wins!

[Christo]

Fallen deserved some punishment and got off very midly, in a very amusing way. I say, well done devs, keep it up! Everybody wins!

This.

If this 'dark force' above us would bring more holy carpeteers (like x2), they'd even lose the bloody battle.

You're right.

[chadz]

The initial idea was to punish them by switching the fief to the AI (after all, the villagers were attacked by their masters).

When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.

And then we decided to do it roleplay style.

Yes, in an ideal world, the bug would have been fixed months ago. In an ideal world everyone would be happy with the balance. Every patch would be a success.

However, as a dev team that is doing this as a hobby, we cannot spend an endless amount of worktime into fixing this. In fact, the worktime we can spend is rather limited. This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'. If you are a leader of a big clan, we expect more from you than if you are just the idling workforce. Because strategus stands and falls with the community. So if we allow everyone being a dipshit with every exploit possible, the game won't be fun any more. You might want to check last round for reference.

So, all in all:
Don't invent a new way to fuck someone over and play fair.

[Mike_of_Kingswell]

When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.

A single "This is a bug do not use it" in the report thread or a "Guys i am canceling the attack because you abooze!" while the downlock time would have done the trick without that much drama.


Anyway: What is done is done...still appeciate the statement even if it comes a little late

[dynamike]

The initial idea was to punish them by switching the fief to the AI (after all, the villagers were attacked by their masters).

When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.

And then we decided to do it roleplay style.

Yes, in an ideal world, the bug would have been fixed months ago. In an ideal world everyone would be happy with the balance. Every patch would be a success.

However, as a dev team that is doing this as a hobby, we cannot spend an endless amount of worktime into fixing this. In fact, the worktime we can spend is rather limited. This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'. If you are a leader of a big clan, we expect more from you than if you are just the idling workforce. Because strategus stands and falls with the community. So if we allow everyone being a dipshit with every exploit possible, the game won't be fun any more. You might want to check last round for reference.

So, all in all:
Don't invent a new way to fuck someone over and play fair.

Great response, please do that more often.

[ManOfWar]

sorry to see you go kesh, lemme get dem looms?

nobodies sorry

[Tomas]

The initial idea was to punish them by switching the fief to the AI (after all, the villagers were attacked by their masters).

When we saw that there was a large army in it, we decided against it, as that would have fucked fallen over really hard. So we decided to take 1000 troops from them.

And then we decided to do it roleplay style.

Yes, in an ideal world, the bug would have been fixed months ago. In an ideal world everyone would be happy with the balance. Every patch would be a success.

However, as a dev team that is doing this as a hobby, we cannot spend an endless amount of worktime into fixing this. In fact, the worktime we can spend is rather limited. This is why we often appeal to players conscience, fairplay and honour. And this also depends according to your.. 'social status'. If you are a leader of a big clan, we expect more from you than if you are just the idling workforce. Because strategus stands and falls with the community. So if we allow everyone being a dipshit with every exploit possible, the game won't be fun any more. You might want to check last round for reference.

So, all in all:
Don't invent a new way to fuck someone over and play fair.

And will the same thing will happen to future clans that do the same but try to hide it behind proxy clans, allies, un-tagged neutrals or "mistakes"? 

Why not instead just make the exploit a feature and change it so that "locked" fiefs get 0% efficiency for crafting/recruiting, all visiting fees are suspended and you cannot sell any goods.  That way if you want to continually lock down your own village you can do, but it will make the fief completely unproductive and will lockdown your own troops with you paying the increased upkeep rate.   Adding a fief transfer button with a 7 day coldown as well will complete the solution and erradicate this as an exploit. 

[Gheritarish le Loki]

does punishment are retroactive?
Because we could have a lot of fun battles then...

What is funny is that some clans only have a warning and some have punishment.

Btw will fallen have another punishment for ddosing hospi ts?

Lol...

[chadz]

Btw will fallen have another punishment for ddosing hospi ts?

Please, do go into detail.

[Haze_The_Hobo]

That's Von_Hazaa. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,21482.0.html

Don't mind him, he's one of the dumbest people ever. Possibly even dumber than Kesh, although this would be extremely hard to prove and would drive the tester insane.

I am trolling 24/7 and if u were so smart, u'd knew that.

I posted that thread so people will notice and join fight on our side, there are always few against the system. ;)

[Gheritarish le Loki]

everybody know that was fallen that did that, hospi will confirm this... They will tell you that fallen are cheaters, using every glitch to win a strat, they can do everything for this, anyway it´s well known that they are a bunch of grieffing exploiters. I´m sure that if you read every hospi/occi thread you would even like to permaban all the clan! Sure they deserve it...

I read another thread by occitan, it seems that fallen even bribes dev to restart a server (they are even stupid exploiter as they asked to restart a server when they won the battle)