Sorry too busy playing Skyrim with friends and making screenshots. See you later in a few weeks.
I love mount and blade cRPG, but guys common, its getting boaring, wee need u guys to all come back
Yes it was me for the last few days, "testing" the new patch, WSE, etc, after endless begging from my men & some random people who's names i won't mention here and (regretfully) i must agree with that Slovenian shepherd Mtemko: nothing has really changed in the last 2-3 months: even more ranged people camping the roofs and making these "battles" look nothing like proper battles should. Few evenings ago we had a situation of 10-15 ranged left against 5-6 of us and there was nothing we could do, they just shot us to pieces. Last night i connected to spectators only to see 23 people left in the battle. I asked the lads on TS to help me do the counting: 20 out of 23 people left alive were rangers, bowmen & crossbowmen. I truly respect chadz & his team (contrary to the popular beliefs & forum trolling crap) and I've never commented too much about their work but its sad how they don't care about this "situation", solutions are so easy and they have been suggested many times. That said: I'll never forget chadz' quote (i tried to dig it out but i failed) where he said something like: "We make the game to OUR liking, if you don't like it - don't play it". In the end he was right with that, i always have that line in my mind and when i stopped playing it wasn't a GTX or anything like that, it was just following that simple line without making any fuss about it. These days i succumbed to pressure from all these people and tried to enjoy it again somehow but constantly getting shot to pieces by dozen of rangers is not really fun. "Grab a shield !", they say. So i did. x3 Huscarl & x2 Fat Plate but nothing changed - no where to hide from shooting squads. The only difference is: now even teamwork doesn't help anymore. We're on TS same as before but (unless Panos is here with his trash-talking) we're not really enjoying our time to be honest. Role-playing practicing targets is not much fun. :)
Not only are new games out but for the first time in a while, I've been playing on the official servers.
For me, Gnjus says it best:
Also, the amount of long spears is ridic, people with loomed armour (guess I can't blame em with the range) dominating melee... Don't forget crappy maps... Battle doesn't seem as fun as it used to :cry:
Seriously, Skyrim is so good when I turn off the computer life depresses me.
I guess everyone is being Sarcastic right?
I mean you can make a turd shiny, you can polish it, put some cologne on it...
But in the end its STILL A FRIGGIN TURD!
And yes, I'm talking about Skyrim!
What is it about the Computer RPG industry that makes them spend 50% of their budget on advertising a crappy product, 40% on graphics of said crappy product, 4% on the story, 4% on gameplay design and 2% on creative ideas?
How many times and in how many different "skins" do I have to play the delivery boy? How many times do I have to go around slaying rats of someones cellar?
"HEY YOU! YOU ARE THE HERO! THE PROPHECY SPEAKS OF YOU! YOU SHALL SAVE US ALL! NOW TAKE THIS RAKE AND GO BRING ME 3 loaves of bread...."
FFS!
Skyrim is a dumbed down (for dumb 15 year olds) version of a once good series.
Skyrim is an affront to PC users since they decided not to even BOTHER and make a proper keyboard/mouse port and the whole game feels as if the fact that you dont have a gamepad means you should be shot!
And before someones says "but the graphics are awesome!" well... 2 things... friend
a) Big whoopty doo! Good graphics? Is that even something we care about any more or hold as a standard? Its like say "yea okay the movie sucked but the 3d Graphics on this high profile Hollywood movie were soooo cool". How about some story for Gods Shake? How about some originality? Some immersion! How about some real, immersive PLOT that doesnt have to be 110% linear! And no choice is NOT about joining 1 of 3 sides to see the different cinematic finales
b) I am a firm believer that TOO good graphics and TOO realistic ones are a detriment. Much like when you read a book and love it and then the movie comes out and its CRAP. Its because in reality your imagination is usually (unless you are a turnip) much better than anything they can put on screen. Similarly... graphics that are too realistic in a game... somehow make it worse... it seems to real to be real... hence... fake.
So yea, play your polished, sugar coated turd for now...
I will turn to good old M&B that is not pretentious and does what it says in the box!
People will come back in time, as much as the replay value of a singleplayer game can be (such as Skyrim) it's fairly low compared to the ever changing online communities albiet that everyone has a tendency to troll at least once an hour.
Even with Battlefield 3 with it's online-ness, it's not the same as here, you don't know most of the people you play with and the people you do play with will more than likely include someone from cRPG! :rolleyes:
There will be more and more people who will trickle back over time, I wouldn't worry about cRPG failing, sure there will be a few people who won't come back but the regulars who have been playing for a long time, will come back eventually otherwise they wouldn't have been playing for so long. Even if it feels like a commitment, (so much time and effort to get to where you were, don't want to let it go to waste) people will come back.
Just give it time, there was always going to be a drop around the time large titles are released, and two at once (three if you're a console... can't class you as a gamer... errr... console user) then you're going to have a drop off at some stage.
Strategus will keep a lot of the clans around, although I have noticed most of my clan members disappearing from teamspeak, each time there is an important strategus battle at a reasonable time, they're there, waiting and willing to play.
People love the mod, maybe I am being a little bit of a fanboy, maybe I am being over optimistic, but it won't die any time soon. The death will come with the release of a similar game, probably mount and blade 2 where they will more than likely have some form of progressive character online, in which case the commitment for players will severly drop.
I don't think you can expect a massive online game with a progressive system such as Battlefield 3 to hook people for as long as something like cRPG has. I mean, the community isn't quite as close nit, you'll hardly ever see the same players twice unless you're on their friends list, things like that, you're not going to have quite as good a response and therefore time that people will spend playing.
Trust me, people will come back, even if you didn't read this, I sort of lost what I was saying half way through to be honest with you, don't worry, stop fretting, people'll get bored of the other games and will come back, not all of them of course, but the majority will. Mount and Blade 2, if it has a progressive character system, will be the death of cRPG, if I had to bet on it of course!
I guess everyone is being Sarcastic right?
I mean you can make a turd shiny, you can polish it, put some cologne on it...
But in the end its STILL A FRIGGIN TURD!
And yes, I'm talking about Skyrim!
What is it about the Computer RPG industry that makes them spend 50% of their budget on advertising a crappy product, 40% on graphics of said crappy product, 4% on the story, 4% on gameplay design and 2% on creative ideas?
How many times and in how many different "skins" do I have to play the delivery boy? How many times do I have to go around slaying rats of someones cellar?
"HEY YOU! YOU ARE THE HERO! THE PROPHECY SPEAKS OF YOU! YOU SHALL SAVE US ALL! NOW TAKE THIS RAKE AND GO BRING ME 3 loaves of bread...."
FFS!
Skyrim is a dumbed down (for dumb 15 year olds) version of a once good series.
Skyrim is an affront to PC users since they decided not to even BOTHER and make a proper keyboard/mouse port and the whole game feels as if the fact that you dont have a gamepad means you should be shot!
And before someones says "but the graphics are awesome!" well... 2 things... friend
a) Big whoopty doo! Good graphics? Is that even something we care about any more or hold as a standard? Its like say "yea okay the movie sucked but the 3d Graphics on this high profile Hollywood movie were soooo cool". How about some story for Gods Shake? How about some originality? Some immersion! How about some real, immersive PLOT that doesnt have to be 110% linear! And no choice is NOT about joining 1 of 3 sides to see the different cinematic finales
b) I am a firm believer that TOO good graphics and TOO realistic ones are a detriment. Much like when you read a book and love it and then the movie comes out and its CRAP. Its because in reality your imagination is usually (unless you are a turnip) much better than anything they can put on screen. Similarly... graphics that are too realistic in a game... somehow make it worse... it seems to real to be real... hence... fake.
So yea, play your polished, sugar coated turd for now...
I will turn to good old M&B that is not pretentious and does what it says in the box!
On MW3 you do lol. It's rather sad though, Console versions got like 5x the amount of players than the PC version lol. I've seen the same people several times in different matches the last week.
However this is console, as I said "three if you're a console... can't class you as a gamer... errr... console user". ;)
You're going to have more chance of seeing the same people again because they're the people you're going to have a better connection to in your area. With dedicated servers for things like battlefield, cRPG etc etc, they're much more capable of having lots of connections (they're called dedicated for a reason) while consoles will just run off the users home network.
They have 5 times the number of players but the actual number that you will see is much much less due to a crappy way of connecting those people. Why do you think that instead of a ping they have bars..? If I remember correctly Modern Warfare 2 had 4 ping bars that represented 100ms between them, 4 bars meant that you had less than 100ms worth of ping, 3, 100-200, etc etc.
On the pc you could attack the files/console and either replace it with a real ping, but you'd probably cry at what you saw or change the number of bars and the interval at which they ran at (I used 10 bars with 20ms between, I was constantly on either a 0 connection (as host) or 80-140) Running from someones home computer in this day and age, unless you're running off a very good connection with high upload, you'll likely have a higher ping to someone down your road than for example, a server that was in London while you're in Scotland.
This is why I don't use console games in my arguments although it was fun on MW2 where people would hack, you accuse them, they laugh and say "you can't get rid of me, you leave and the game will choose a new host" and you go "lol, IP block!" and off they would disappear scratching their heads.
Also, try playing M&B on a console with a controller, i'd say that would be harder to block and there would be a significant drop in skill (although I do know there are a few people here that use a controller to play)
Anyways, people WILL come back, no doubt about it :P
TL;DR
General knowledge about consoles and their connection methods.
My dislike for their connection methods.
Biased views on Dedicated servers.
Laughing at people on MW2 who hack when you're server host, and then IP blocking them.
Try playing M&B with a controller, must be harder to block.
PEOPLE WILL COME BACK, GIVE IT TIME!
No i'm playing on PC =( And yes there's dedicated servers in PC version. All though 18 player limit and unranked -_-
Also CRPG is not fun! It's addiction! Leave it!
No idea how this turned to PC vs Console, but hey, i got it all :mrgreen:
I mean, i play crpg on my desktop, and when bored i just load up guitar hero (funnily enuff made by Activision :P) and relax or just watch some porn/simpsons or whatnot.
Anyways, i like this, i was able to sit on x5 for quite a long time on this mid populated server, as on smaller scale battles your influence is bigger :mrgreen: So enjoy the rides on multis with the few active friends you have untill the hordes come back.
No idea how this turned to PC vs Console, but hey, i got it all :mrgreen:
I mean, i play crpg on my desktop, and when bored i just load up guitar hero (funnily enuff made by Activision :P) and relax or just watch some porn/simpsons or whatnot.
I never understood their reasoning behind having the main ranked game on the easier to hack version..? That doesn't make any sense to me... I'm convinced that Activision are run by a guy with multi personality disorder, one side bent on destroying PC gaming and the other trying to put on a smile to take our money.
I've seen so many people hacking already and I don't even own the game, granted this is youtube but the first one I saw was by Yogscast(..?) and they were on the front page of youtube under the featured list, some phenominal advertsing they did there for Activision, whole round recording of two hackers on his first ranked game.
You don't even have a riot shield anymore to hide behind, causing the aimbotter to get locked into firing at you because you hadn't died, allowing your mates to charge with their riot shields and batter the bastard to death. (At least I don't think you have riot shields anymore)
Silly silly game designers, don't know what common sense is?
I'm getting more and more synical, opinionated and negative about the Call of Duty series, it went down hill after MW although WaW was still very good although the maps were crap.
Ah well, that'll be the first one to go down, then following will be BF3, Skyrim will drop once people either complete it or have their minds boggled by the sheer number of things to do. cRPG is a constant for now.
To the guy above, I just got confused because I realised I was in NA and wasn't killed. Berenger even gave me a decent conversation! xD
Always seen consoles as casual games, never the more hardcore ones if I am honest, this wasn't really a PC vs Console conversation more just a light discussion between the communities surrounding the games and the way they actually work.
But yes, enjoy that x5 for a little longer, get a large gap between the Skryim & BF3 fanatics and you'll be laughing when they come back all rusty! ;)
How the hell did you manage to put in Porn and simpsons right next to eachother lol.
Well from my point of view i can understand not making dedicated servers giving off XP. Like in COD 4 people would mod it and make gaining XP so damn easy and ''legitimate''.
And as for modding tools, i believe they didn't put it in because (which i also share) that it would separate the PC MW3 community as well big mods being made which IW didn't have anything to do with.
Plus the fact that you cannot make money off of it lol.
Also, actually there's Riot Shields available. Plus there's 2 prof's for them too. Melee or Speed which either increase your melee speed or the speed itself while running with the shield.
So yeah works wonders versus Aimbotters. And ''noobtubes'' are nerfed so much that you can even survive direct impact from secondary ''Noobtube''.
All in all it's a good game and doesn't deserve as much hate as it have gotten from the PC community mostly.
Ah well, then the riot shields are a big help ^^
Good to see noobtubes are nerfed as well.
CoD will always have hate from me, they ruined my favourite game with console ideals, I play on the PC because I don't want to use a console, don't start giving me console stuff on a PC! :shock:
Modding tools, of course, I can completely understand why you'd say that, but it's still do-able, if you look at MW2, people were still modding the servers in order to give you instant max level and all unlocks, having dedicated servers or having individual servers makes no difference, it's still do-able just with dedi's, modding and no thought about how to stop it it's more wide-spread.
They'll have learnt how to stop most of it but of course there will always be people who by-pass it, hence why we have hackers in any game we play, there are ways to exploit a system which will be countered by the developers and then countered by hackers, so on and so forth.
I enjoyed CoD2 since my clan back then had a programmer who modded in a "medic system" and "cookable grenades", we had a massive player base since people enjoyed the changes, now they're basically widespread haha.
Without modding in these games we'd have so much less, stopping people from doing it has never been the best thing in my view but it'll decrease the life span of a game for many people. I wouldn't still be playing M&B if it wasn't for cRPG.
I wish I had this conversation a couple of weeks back, part of my coursework was to do a presentation on "Software Engineering and the modding community", cRPG was one of my examples of how mods can increase the life span of a game, how mods can collect communities, stay in a permenant beta phase etc etc etc blah blah blah no one cares.
I can see why though, restricting modding makes it more difficult and gives them more time to stamp on people who crack it before it gets too widespread.
Although on top of that it would be bloody easy given the fact that most CoD games use something similar to "steam cloud" and therefore it could have a basic system that says "wait a minute, there is no way he went from level 23 to 45 in four and a half minutes, back to level 23 you cheating scum!" Wouldn't be hard with some basic maths! ;) Not fullproof but it would again make it harder and allow the developers to learn! :P
Yeah, well it's obviously because Casual Gamers and adults usually rather get a console and just plug it in their TV and just go from there on. Much easier to make money out of consoles. More accessible and socially acceptable to play on Consoles nowadays :P
And yeah the hacking bit sucks. Well atleast you can exit the matches to avoid it.
And the community for MW3 is fun for trolling purposes and such. But i remember when COD 4 came out. Was so great then. No people with tons of Xxxxx's and Zzzz's in their names nor people complaining about your playstyles and Quickscoping lovers. Hate OpTic and Faze for it lol.
Ruined the community a bit with it. Many people see COD now as a ''Game that you rush with snipers and try to make your kills look as stylish as spin as much as possible lol.
Atleast BF3 is the opposite.
Dragons, magic, fire balls, dungeons... muarf, just some good shit for kids.
I'm 37, I need realism, team work, personal skill etc.
Kids are gone ? Let them play "super hero" alone.
i am a youngster compared to the two of you :D
The End (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoBFhdeR9PE)
Plenty of new with Skyrim.
yeah..bla bla bla skyrim, bla crpg is dead bla
I don't know how to make this any clear
Why God? oh Why? game developers don't like making money!???
Todd Howard (TES & FALLOUT series) and Mikail Yazbeck (MB:WB) should join forces and make a title with:
1. state-of-the-art graphics
2. open world
3. NO MAGIC
4. Warband melee combat, mounted combat mechanics
5. NO MAGIC
6. use the creation engine or unreal engine 3.x
7. NO MAGIC
8. Pletora of Items
9. NO WEEABOO
10. David Jones's APB Reloaded Character customization
11. Bioware's storywriting and companion characterization
12. ?????
13. Profit
Imagine the posibilities
Winston_Churchill's signature is win lul
Let's go to Nam and kill dem Viet Cong. And then you can go crazy and kill me and lead some savage villagers as a God.
I guess everyone is being Sarcastic right?
I mean you can make a turd shiny, you can polish it, put some cologne on it...
But in the end its STILL A FRIGGIN TURD!
And yes, I'm talking about Skyrim!
What is it about the Computer RPG industry that makes them spend 50% of their budget on advertising a crappy product, 40% on graphics of said crappy product, 4% on the story, 4% on gameplay design and 2% on creative ideas?
How many times and in how many different "skins" do I have to play the delivery boy? How many times do I have to go around slaying rats of someones cellar?
"HEY YOU! YOU ARE THE HERO! THE PROPHECY SPEAKS OF YOU! YOU SHALL SAVE US ALL! NOW TAKE THIS RAKE AND GO BRING ME 3 loaves of bread...."
FFS!
Skyrim is a dumbed down (for dumb 15 year olds) version of a once good series.
Skyrim is an affront to PC users since they decided not to even BOTHER and make a proper keyboard/mouse port and the whole game feels as if the fact that you dont have a gamepad means you should be shot!
And before someones says "but the graphics are awesome!" well... 2 things... friend
a) Big whoopty doo! Good graphics? Is that even something we care about any more or hold as a standard? Its like say "yea okay the movie sucked but the 3d Graphics on this high profile Hollywood movie were soooo cool". How about some story for Gods Shake? How about some originality? Some immersion! How about some real, immersive PLOT that doesnt have to be 110% linear! And no choice is NOT about joining 1 of 3 sides to see the different cinematic finales
b) I am a firm believer that TOO good graphics and TOO realistic ones are a detriment. Much like when you read a book and love it and then the movie comes out and its CRAP. Its because in reality your imagination is usually (unless you are a turnip) much better than anything they can put on screen. Similarly... graphics that are too realistic in a game... somehow make it worse... it seems to real to be real... hence... fake.
So yea, play your polished, sugar coated turd for now...
I will turn to good old M&B that is not pretentious and does what it says in the box!
9. NO WEEABOO
I guess everyone is being Sarcastic right?
I mean you can make a turd shiny, you can polish it, put some cologne on it...
But in the end its STILL A FRIGGIN TURD!
And yes, I'm talking about Skyrim!
What is it about the Computer RPG industry that makes them spend 50% of their budget on advertising a crappy product, 40% on graphics of said crappy product, 4% on the story, 4% on gameplay design and 2% on creative ideas?
How many times and in how many different "skins" do I have to play the delivery boy? How many times do I have to go around slaying rats of someones cellar?
"HEY YOU! YOU ARE THE HERO! THE PROPHECY SPEAKS OF YOU! YOU SHALL SAVE US ALL! NOW TAKE THIS RAKE AND GO BRING ME 3 loaves of bread...."
FFS!
Skyrim is a dumbed down (for dumb 15 year olds) version of a once good series.
Skyrim is an affront to PC users since they decided not to even BOTHER and make a proper keyboard/mouse port and the whole game feels as if the fact that you dont have a gamepad means you should be shot!
And before someones says "but the graphics are awesome!" well... 2 things... friend
a) Big whoopty doo! Good graphics? Is that even something we care about any more or hold as a standard? Its like say "yea okay the movie sucked but the 3d Graphics on this high profile Hollywood movie were soooo cool". How about some story for Gods Shake? How about some originality? Some immersion! How about some real, immersive PLOT that doesnt have to be 110% linear! And no choice is NOT about joining 1 of 3 sides to see the different cinematic finales
b) I am a firm believer that TOO good graphics and TOO realistic ones are a detriment. Much like when you read a book and love it and then the movie comes out and its CRAP. Its because in reality your imagination is usually (unless you are a turnip) much better than anything they can put on screen. Similarly... graphics that are too realistic in a game... somehow make it worse... it seems to real to be real... hence... fake.
So yea, play your polished, sugar coated turd for now...
I will turn to good old M&B that is not pretentious and does what it says in the box!
RPG means to play a role with a band of friends. Not to grab some item on the ground, alone, until being half-god.
You can call Skyrim something like "adventure quest" but not RPG.
MMORPG are closer to real RPGs.
RPG means to play a role with a band of friends. Not to grab some item on the ground, alone, until being half-god.
You can call Skyrim something like "adventure quest" but not RPG.
MMORPG are closer to real RPGs.
RPG means to play a role with a band of friends. Not to grab some item on the ground, alone, until being half-god.
You can call Skyrim something like "adventure quest" but not RPG.
MMORPG are closer to real RPGs.
Whats cRPG?
All i know is Skyrim and Saints row the third.
well, i usually dont play any computer games. than god knows how c-rpg appeared on my brothers pc, and BAM! hooked. would never touch anything else, but this c-rpg thing. its special.You funny man!
i am sure the servers will be packed again sooner or later.
although i wont be back to see it happen,
i know c-rpg will prevail.
Nope.
A role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting.
Holy shit finally someone else who got/getting Saints Row 3!!!We should get a drink of saints flow sometime xD
Nope.This is why the term roleplaying game is so weird. When I think of playing a role I think of you being someone in an unchangeable story. Like I dont know, Max Payne for instance. You play the role of Max Payne in his story. In what we actually call rpg's you create your own role and can make your story whatever the hell you want, well some more than others. You don't assume any roles. I find what we call rpg's least deserving of the term rpg as far as singleplayer games go.
A role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting.
WTB good roguelike game.
I'd like to see the CTF game mode brought back was quite fun when we had it.
PS: Also come up with a way to make death match or TDM a viable option for a server.
I just started playing cRPG two weeks ago and Playing an archer just seems like a cop-out: I may as well go play Counter Strike.Yup. Yet archer homos will defend it forever and say that you're lame for thinking as such.
Also: the idea of computer-based RPGs is dumb. Go play D&D like a real man.
Strategus battles are basically team deathmatch.
ok guys you all hyped me enuff.
installing that... skyram.. skydream.. skycream.
I wouldnt buy or play something JUST because others hype it.
I usually try to get an idea of the game first and if I will like it before hand. Afterall I got Skyrim for something to just...play, just for fun and to mess around and be creative in.
It's not often I get to enjoy a game like that these days. Although there is always Spore.....penis monsters or not.
I just started playing cRPG two weeks ago and I'm hooked. Actually, I started playing M&B like two years ago or whenever it came out, and I'm astonished that no other company is making something like this. Part of the reason I don't understand people who play archers - the economics of their kill-power aside - is that I like this game because it's like an FPS but way more visceral. I love the clusterfuck melees, poke-sticks and enormous axes and shit flying everywhere. Why would I want to dick around in Call of Duty, Battlefield, or whathaveyou when I can pretend to be a fucking KNIGHT? Playing an archer just seems like a cop-out: I may as well go play Counter Strike.
So if this game dies, when it is quite literally unique (unless I'm missing something big, here; if there's something like M&B out there, other than Die By the Sword, do tell), I will blame it on the lameness of everyone that is not me and this community.
Also: the idea of computer-based RPGs is dumb. Go play D&D like a real man.
Ahhh, the glorious innocence of a new player.Well you just ruined it for the poor boy. How do you feel?!?!?
Boy do I miss the time when I saw melee as fun and didn't know about broken game mechanics, rather than everyone abusing everything that's bad about melee such as hiltslash spamming or the laggier than fuck servers with all the long pokey sticks that stabs you through walls or bodies of flesh you're fighting.
Good old days.
Its probably because battle - due to the amount of ranged - sucks.
Ahhh, the glorious innocence of a new player.
Boy do I miss the time when I saw melee as fun and didn't know about broken game mechanics, rather than everyone abusing everything that's bad about melee such as hiltslash spamming or the laggier than fuck servers with all the long pokey sticks that stabs you through walls or bodies of flesh you're fighting.
Good old days.
cRPG is still superior to all games, people will be back, dont worry. And if a patch is released soon i will definitely start playing alot more.
Lol u high?
you're right but i'm still playing arma2 and most of all 7.62 high calibre / bluesun mod. So Skyrim is just a toy compared to these 2 and therefore i'll maybe play it later.
anyway looks like developers keep doing console ports... no more PC games. but even as a native pc game like oblivion, once you see mount&blade fighting system, well... oblivion and skyrim are no match.
Ahhh, the glorious innocence of a new player.
Boy do I miss the time when I saw melee as fun and didn't know about broken game mechanics, rather than everyone abusing everything that's bad about melee such as hiltslash spamming or the laggier than fuck servers with all the long pokey sticks that stabs you through walls or bodies of flesh you're fighting.
Good old days.
Yes, this is the end.
Dude, Oblivion isn't native PC game. Morrowind was and it was ported to original Xbox, but Oblivion is multiplatform game.
Ahhh, the glorious innocence of a new player.
Boy do I miss the time when I saw melee as fun and didn't know about broken game mechanics, rather than everyone abusing everything that's bad about melee such as hiltslash spamming or the laggier than fuck servers with all the long pokey sticks that stabs you through walls or bodies of flesh you're fighting.
Good old days.
Bodkin arrows ftw great idea dev´s clearly a brilliant way to prolong the life of the only unique melee game out there...........................................................
Bodkin arrows ftw great idea dev´s clearly a brilliant way to prolong the life of the only unique melee game out there...........................................................
I think the biggest problem is with the massive amount of archers roaming around. EU1 = 20 archers hiding behind 3 rocks/roof/hill 5 minutes a row - No light cavalry can survive long enough to counter mass archers, or its just not possible due ladders or terrain to harass them. Id say only way to distract the archers long enough is to have heavy cav trample around if the map is flat enough for them to be useful, even that is getting difficult due bodkin change and rarely favorable terrain.
Another thing i dislike a lot with current map rotation are maps where archers can control half of the map from one location. I do not have problems with buildings, or hills, or ladders as much as i have with few archers being able to cover too much ground. There should be good spots to shoot but you shouldn't be able to control half of the map from one location that is unreachable, or the archer numbers are so high you simply cannot show your face without 8 PD bodkin spammers eating you alive in matter of seconds. All infantry maps have turned into archery maps, which makes playing cav ever more annoying.
Im not too worried about balance. Im not too worried about getting killed by archers, that's part of the game. Its just the current situation is killing the fun. Terrain, ladders, start with those if you want to make people play more or hack skyrim. :)
-Kalanie
Yeah but, November-December 2010 was quite the opposite.
I know it wasn't as good as 11' in games, still, cRPG reached awesome levels of players/etc in dec 2010. Thanks to the steam sale, mostly.
At fifteen, I had the will to learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ; at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the square./dying. Needs some fresh blood.
Ive repeated this countless times, but im going to again: the game just needs to go back to it's entertaining routes, with all the silly crossdressing and mad weapons as well as a few bug fixes here and there.
Let's dial down the elitist "who be da bestest" mentality and bring out the "party streamers and pointed hat" mentality instead, trust me you will learn to love it.
In Skyrim, there aren't 20 archers on an unreachable roof shooting at me all the time. Strangely enough, I like Skyrim.
I did a few tl;dr posts about that. But this time it will be the short version : nerf the incentives for winning. Joyful playing > 1337ragegeek fapping. Strategus should be the home of competitive-level gameplay, not cRPG.
yup. the whole multi stuff just make you rage when you lose your so hardly deserved x5... all about upkeep and gold. i barely play on siege, and most of the times i enjoy the EU3 (unless gets crowded with the strat players.. EU3 spikes enough even without 50 people dueling.)
let's just remove looms, gold, let's just have STF like chars with level set to 35.
then we balance heavier armors to be used when there is the need and not like a crutch. (example heavier weight)
all this by a gen16 2h with enough loomed stuff to speak against himself.
In Skyrim, there aren't 20 archers on an unreachable roof shooting at me all the time. Strangely enough, I like Skyrim.
yup. the whole multi stuff just make you rage when you lose your so hardly deserved x5... all about upkeep and gold. i barely play on siege, and most of the times i enjoy the EU3 (unless gets crowded with the strat players.. EU3 spikes enough even without 50 people dueling.)
let's just remove looms, gold, let's just have STF like chars with level set to 35.
then we balance heavier armors to be used when there is the need and not like a crutch. (example heavier weight)
all this by a gen16 2h with enough loomed stuff to speak against himself.
Skyrim has other qualities, other than just killing archers or getting killed by them :)
Then we disagree.
If I wanted what you described, I wouldn't have stopped playing Native MP, because it is Native MP.
now most people play to get x5. we keep playing even when we have to do somethingelse but "damn i have the x5... can't leave now..." kind of stuff.
That's what is sad, ppl lose their fun for a x5.
yup. the whole multi stuff just make you rage when you lose your so hardly deserved x5... all about upkeep and gold.The team multi system is the thing that ruins the fun for me. Teamwork is nice but it is not possible to FORCE it on people who don't WANT to play that way. You can 'force' the reward/punish system of teamwork but you can't force the actual teamwork. Serious business win at all cost mentality is the antithesis of fun. When I play I can't even have FUN because all I'm thinking about is multi multi MULTI because without it you go broke and the xp rate is pathetic. That is not a recipe for 'fun' at all. Add on that teamates bitching at other teamates for not magically all WANTING to play with perfect teamwork and what's left is basically just to grind my ass off to get xp, and looms so someday maybe I'll have something(s) to make actually playing the game somewhat rewarding. The whole 'reward' system is insufficient and dependent on OTHER players and not YOU.
no it's not. because character customization is still there, more items than native, there is a dev team balancing and improving, there are other game modes, 100 slots servers, strategus, BUT the grind part gets removed.
I must admit this game does get really frustrating if you have a roster of clan members on one team and a bunch of pubbies scrambling around getting chased by the guy with a two-hander and his buddy behind him with a pike or running down an alleyway full of archers at one end. Then you got the mother fucker on your team telling everyone to "go left" and after two rounds everyone finally does it, still getting decimated, and the next round you see him shouting "go right".
c-rpg can't help that there's no in game voice comm (with the ability to easily mute people you personally don't want to hear).
The team multi system is the thing that ruins the fun for me. Teamwork is nice but it is not possible to FORCE it on people who don't WANT to play that way. You can 'force' the reward/punish system of teamwork but you can't force the actual teamwork. Serious business win at all cost mentality is the antithesis of fun. When I play I can't even have FUN because all I'm thinking about is multi multi MULTI
Skyrim has other qualities, other than just killing archers or getting killed by them :)
What Corrado said. Native MP, with character customization and more items. Apart from that a hardcore skill based game.
Leveling is a gay arse principle, I strongly dislike it. Don't tell me to go play Skyrim, cause dungeons are a gay arse principle too and ruin the what could've been a fantastic game.
Uhhhh wait what?
Dungeons are the best part about Skyrim. o_O
Sounds like you need a deathmatch server, because your idea of "fun" doesn't sound fun for me at all. Usually when people say they can't have "fun" what they mean is they can't go around teamkilling, kicking friendlies off ladders or otherwise doing really stupid things that annoys everyone.When I say 'fun' I mean joining a server and playing without this thing called the team multi interfering with the gear, tactics and playstyle choices of a player. Having progression of your character linked to whether or not you get lucky and are on the team with better players is incredibly frustrating and not 'fun'.
Fun for me is hacking enemies to death and seeing our team win the round. It's a happy coincidence that this also tends to result in us getting a multi.
When I say 'fun' I mean joining a server and playing without this thing called the team multi interfering with the gear, tactics and playstyle choices of a player. Having progression of your character linked to whether or not you get lucky and are on the team with better players is incredibly frustrating and not 'fun'.
I've never had a problem with auto-balance. If your team is losing a lot, take it as a challenge. You're not going to die from a few x1 rounds.
Autobalance is fail, I've seen it fill one team with archers, cavalry and infantry and the other with just infantry countless times.
How can u blame balance for class composition? Afaik there are banner balances mostly, so... just ask the ranged/cav to use your banner :mrgreen:
but one thing i dont get is, why it always switches one friend of mine after two or three rounds, we play first round randomly placed, then the balance kicks in, we get together for few rounds and then he is usually switched to opposing team :(
Seek friends that aren't good at this game.
I've never had a problem with auto-balance. If your team is losing a lot, take it as a challenge. You're not going to die from a few x1 rounds.You will not die, but you might get old.
I think the most new cRPG players leave the mod to fast because they all have no chance vs the clan guys. Most of them are only Native players and native is..... very easy...
They play 2 hours and think: "WTF I ALLWAYS DIE! FUC**** MOD!" I always told them: "Hey mate you have to play longer! You will see its a great mod!" But nobody listen. :?
You can come to cRPG from Native and be good/great at it but you can't do it the other way around.
Been there, done that; we fallens played some Native MP a while ago when official servers were down. Result was quite sad, due to the fact that we more or less hacked and slashed surprizingly easily our way in to a castle in a 100-man siege server :P .
I can't say that's not true and I can't contradict but I will assume and will probably be right if I say that most of your clanmates are ex Native players.
They aren't ex Native players except for a select few.
Native is just easymode
December 2010
I must dissagree, but there isn't a proper way to determine or prove that Native is "easier" than cRPG and vice versa. I can only say that I find my way on both sides pretty well. And I'm sorry for talking about something completely off topic.
Or maybe... a clan war between cRPG and Native players.... :lol:
Native is easier. I popped on native a while ago and if even I can block tons and get near top of the server with melee chars then something is wrong. I could never do that in crpg :P
Been there, done that; we fallens played some Native MP a while ago when official servers were down. Result was quite sad, due to the fact that we more or less hacked and slashed surprizingly easily our way in to a castle in a 100-man siege server :P .
Depend on what server you join - the tdm/siege are just pathetic
I've played Native almost on a daily basis for over two years ( since early beta ), all game modes, mostly battle, clan matches and duelling, and I've played most of the MP mods coming out for WB from the beginning, including cRPG, but I think a skill comparison is difficult for a number of reasons.
Different players play different game modes across the modules, in Native you will more or less only find a high skill level on Nditions and IG Battlegrounds - ZHG and 22nd Siege and TDM are more or less only visited by nåbs, whereas in cRPG you can actually find a few decent players playing Siege mode ( though battle and duels are still where you find more accomplished players ). All clan people in Native ( EU ) play on IG Battlegrounds these days however and the skill level there is quite high in the evenings. I dare also say that the current Native clan and duel tournaments, at least in the EU where there's competitive leagues like the ENL, is more e-sporty than the otherwise excellent and dynamic Strategus of cRPG. Duels are also very different, taking place without armor, shields and without any kind of build or equipment crutches whatsoever. And yes, the speed is faster in Native, plus there's other 'gimmicks' ( game-breakers to some ) like superfast feinting with 1handers, lolstabbing with 2handers and superduper accurate and speedy throwing and ranged, plus a lot of other things that have been fixed in cRPG.
The amount of players being fair manual blockers on battle servers is of course higher in cRPG ( at least you notice it more ), where not using a shield is more viable than ranged-heavy Native, and cRPG battles can at times feel a bit like a mix of duel and battle mode.
Inexperienced or bad players can do much better in cRPG than in Native, though, as they can hide a lot of their shortcomings behind levels and armaments. These players will usually just go archers or xbow in Native but will only do reasonably well in groups.
I also find that much of the playerbase in Native, if you go the right places, have played the game longer than much of the playerbase in cRPG, which is only natural given that cRPG is a mod that was developed a good deal of time after WB was released, though of course a whole lot of veteran Native players have gone over to cRPG ( but never the other way ) or play both. It is my impression that many new Natives come directly from SP and many new cRPGers come directly from MMOs, *very* roughly speaking. The chat language is very different in cRPG, with lots and lots of cursing and leet speek which you almost never find on Native servers. I guess this is where the Native prejudice that cRPG has a younger community stems from. :arrow: This is not cRPG bashing btw, I definitely prefer this module over Native.
My impression is based off the EU communities only, I know the NA communities are smaller and less organized ( no offense intended whatsoever if there's any delicate toes out there, WB is just mainly EU including the enormous Russian and Turkish communities ) but I have little first-hand experience with them, except from forum activity, a few clan matches, some random pubbing and the Nations Cup a year back.
All in all the two tribes are much alike, but game mechanics imposes some differences.
a balanced, realistic and coherent review of what is native and how is compared to cRPG. +1Asslicking at its best! :D
also argantyr, i see you really few times on siege but i got really impressed by your smart and efficient gameplay.
Asslicking at its best! :D
also about fighting speed, we discussed it a lot. devs said that the game speed got toned down to give better chances to who ping higher. and it's true because for instance, in nDition duel server, where game speed is fast and you dress cloth, to ping more than 70 is just suicidal.
a balanced, realistic and coherent review of what is native and how is compared to cRPG. +1
also argantyr, i see you really few times on siege but i got really impressed by your smart and efficient gameplay.
yeah whatever.. i'm rude with retards and respectful to who earn respect from me. i never been rude with you blackmilk... should i start? :lol::lol:
:lol:
Interfering with gear = people can't wear full plate all the time because they can't afford it?5 minute slap fight? The multi is incentive to win. It's also incentive for teamates to act likes asses and conveniently blame the rest of their team if they lose. I'd take the slap fighters over lord douche supreme. At least the slap fighter would give me a laugh. I'd rather players had fun. But the multi is not something that the individual really have much control over. How many times can you give it your best while your team STILL loses? It really is just which team gets the better players put on it. You can play better than much of your team and still lose or you can play badly or averagely yet if you are on the better team still win. Frustration, yes, fun, no.
Intefering with playstyle = people can't stand at the spawn and have a 5 minute slap-fight because they actually have incentive to win?
I don't see the problem.
Incidentally, you don't have to join a clan to get clan balanced. Find a clan you enjoy playing with and just start using their banner symbol. Lots of people do this.
If I'm not mistaken, there's a Euro server with clan balance turned off but nobody plays there. Most people apparently prefer it on.