http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4029/u32p3p1d2.jpgProbably the absolute worst way to split it up ever.(click to show/hide)
please say EXACTLY what the problem is. If you manage to make me see it too, I'll deal with it.NA has not only now been restricted to a small percentage of the map, we also get the shittiest most spread out chunk of it too. Additionally, despite having the importance of coastal territories talked up for a while now, NA gets almost none of it.
The north east doesn't really have as much water, or was that intended?
Coastline doesn't matter, coastal towns do. Those are 3:4.Ah, I'm fine then :D
Coastline doesn't matter, coastal towns do. Those are 3:4.
The lands on the NA side are very spread out except some of the middle areas.
this map will cause very little displacement of 'ancient territorial claims' for the big EU clans100% irrelevant. People can claim whatever they want, that won't in any way affect the game design.
100% irrelevant. People can claim whatever they want, that won't in any way affect the game design.
i predict map will look exact same as last time, but with DRZ in desert, and LLJK in snow.
I shall move out from Yalen with 300 men and sit on that big red line like its a fence! I shall eat my popcorn and watch on with great delight!
shouldnt you bring 1,000,000 men to intimidate the 300 NA players and demand earth and water from them?
the desert is oursAfgoonistan !
the desert is oursEverything is ours.
please say EXACTLY what the problem is. If you manage to make me see it too, I'll deal with it.
This is impossible to determine, because you claim there are new mechanics going into the game that makes it fair.
If this was the split in the last iteration, NA territories would be too spread out, making it hard to bring armies and gold together, while the EU territories just get to daisy-chain like a pre-industrial fire brigade.
Let me explain:(click to show/hide)
NA would actually be two halves denoted by the big blue line, these are lines which isolate territories based on the old version of strategus where you could easily transfer troops from one side of your empire to another in a matter of seconds.
This is important for two reasons: It allows you to defend with a smaller force by being able to reinforce with your entire strength anywhere in the empire. Any clan would be unable to have territory crossing the dark blue line without severe penalties to defense.
Second, it allows you to bring reinforcements to any offensives you might have to territories you have recently conquered, trying to attack over an isolation line would be difficult, without caravans of troops and equipment flowing in.
Now this map isn't 100% accurate to the strategus map, so it is impossible to judge based upon just looking at this one. In the actual Strategus map the rift between Uxhal and Dhirim doesn't exist, but the isolation zones are still true in the north, as well as in the lower eastern corner of the map.
But if chadz has magically dealt with this problem with some unforseen game mechanics and there is similar benefits to having only 36% of the map, as EU clans would be able to heavily influence NA affairs via supplying troops, far moreso than NA would be able to meddle with EU. Then this post matters little.
Also, our dessert is still ours, it has merely changed flavors, the tundra is still a desert is it not? :P
CHAOS CLAIMS DRZ LANDS.(click to show/hide)
Pretty big shoes to fill, lot of territory to cover. Claiming all of their largest borders??
We will be building a Limes to keep the barbarians out. You can stay on our side of course. There will be tea and crumb cakes as well.
Fallen could just take the entire eastern side easy. The are EU/Na after all.
GK will want our corner of the desert :wink:
Like the split.
lol fallenI missed the joke. Is it funny cause you didn't capitalize it?
Coastline doesn't matter, coastal towns do. Those are 3:4.
am i missing sth or is it 3:5 ?
CHAOS CLAIMS DRZ LANDS.(click to show/hide)
Give NA a far far away island which will have a size of 37% of normal map.
NA players are ONLY 36.6% of cRPG community. NA territory is way too big.
And we can't split new map for fractions, game didn't even started.
I see no GUAM ISLAND or BIRD territory. What a garbage map.
So... when are we just going to give EU and NA separate strat servers with separate maps with the option to have NA or EU players merc on either server, but only allow players to join one server that they can actually collect troops, gold, and move around on?
I believe this would solve a world of problems, though it would be more work for mysel... chadz.
If you dont like it, go lick an electrical outlet.
That was one survey that was up for only 1 week, less than 10% of the community voted in it and it was right when college was starting in the fll in the U.S. so many NA off-line for that week, while strat was down. Also, the number of fiefs is exactly 36.6% - its how chadz calculated it.
DRZ - more power to you if you go straight for the middle of NA territory from the beginning. I hear they are nerfing archery on strategus quite a bit, so keep that in mind.
Who said that we are leaving this lands? XD
Fine.
Chaos is claiming DRZ's basement studio apartments with the condition that we can use the backyards to serve tea and crumb cakes to Kesh.
So would it be hard to create a completely new map for crpg?
That was one survey that was up for only 1 week, less than 10% of the community voted in it and it was right when college was starting in the fll in the U.S. so many NA off-line for that week, while strat was down. Also, the number of fiefs is exactly 36.6% - its how chadz calculated it.
Clearly this is a conspiracy against the North American Community (NAC). All the illiterate inbred Europeans have somehow managed to get the ENTIRE EU playerbase to vote against NA, pushing them out from their hard earned territories in Strategus!
This is an Outrage! Someone should write a very stern letter somewhere appropriate!
Errrr you do realise that in europe we do the same, we go to uni and college around about the same time that really has nothing to do with how the voting turned out at all.
If anything what the vote brought to light was that either the americans dont know that there is a forum :/ or that they are just too lazy/cant be bothered to vote but as usual that wont stop them from complaining when something happens that they do not like!!
We have problems voting for our own elections
Before you get all whiney -
please say EXACTLY what the problem is. If you manage to make me see it too, I'll deal with it.
The problem is that Olwen wanted to be a Lord of Reyvadin but now Reyvadin goes to NA.
Well said.I have yet to complain about the new map, so count me out.
Kesh and tears should get right on that.
I have yet to complain about the new map, so count me out.
To there local mp's perhaps?
O wait there american so they should right to there localpoliticianslawyers.....
True.
Don't worry, I got this. Oh shit already did it - Cmp and chadz wrote back - fuck you NA, I'm from EU. End of story.
I just said I have yet to complain. I am not against the map(click to show/hide)
I got another idea, how about all real EU members play on EU side of the map and NA + Turkey + Russia play on the non EU side with this idea NON EU can get half of all fiefs?(click to show/hide)
ToD, likes the map, I hate it because its the worst locations, NA should have gottne Tihr or Dhirim and dropped Tulga or gotten both and dropped Ichamur and Tulga. And the only problem there is it should be based on where you get better ping, so half the map should go to NA, AUS, and China/Japan and the other half EU/Russia/Turkey.
Lets point out the obvious thing the biggest player base's from what i or anyone can interprate that are in this mod are Eu then Na then Russia in that order.
Russian's can play on eu server's without lag/much lag however eu and the majority of russian players have problems with the lag when playing on american server's.
This split is necessary for two reasons (probs more than that but i can not think of any atm) Ping being the major one and the abilty to attack people at times which delibratley do not suit the other people.
NA might have 36 % player base, but whining on forums they have 99.99999 % majority.. Go figure..
look whose talkingYeah look as much as you want, wont change a thing.
You don't want strategus to disappear for the next 6 months again do you?Yes I want ! It is no problem for me if strategus disappear for the next 6 months !
Actually if you took out the crazy number of Russians playing this game, there are actually more NA players than EU, but with Russians (~22-25% of total player base) players you guys have more. 7-8% probably asian and aussie, lets assume the poll is accurate (probably a little higher than that though) 37% NA, which would leave about 30-34% EU (non-russians)(even bigger difference if you treat Turkish clans differently too).
Part of the problem with the poll too is that China/Japan ever so slightly get better ping on the EU servers because the NA servers are midwest not west coast, but they are both in the 300+ range so it shouldn't have counted toward shifting the poll vote.
Poll
I would rather...
play on the NA side, the NA_cRPG_3 server gives me better pings
376 (36.6%)
play on the EU side, the EU_cRPG_3 server gives me better pings
651 (63.4%)
Did you say oil?!?! Quick everyone! we must go liberate the desert out of the kindness of our hearts!
Actually if you took out the crazy number of Russians playing this game, there are actually more NA players than EU, but with Russians (~22-25% of total player base) players you guys have more. 7-8% probably asian and aussie, lets assume the poll is accurate (probably a little higher than that though) 37% NA, which would leave about 30-34% EU (non-russians)(even bigger difference if you treat Turkish clans differently too).
Part of the problem with the poll too is that China/Japan ever so slightly get better ping on the EU servers because the NA servers are midwest not west coast, but they are both in the 300+ range so it shouldn't have counted toward shifting the poll vote.
Y WE NO GET DESERT????? SO MADCorrect on both counts.
NA SHOULD GET BIGGER LAND CUS AMERICA IS BIGGER
NA have way too much land. We have alot more of EU players on the server.
Check out NA sometime, we have hundreds on every night.
On a slow/bad day we can average 100 on a good day 200 or so.
??? I've seen 300+ all the time on the weekend nights.
So i have personally seen how many people play on na servers, there are na players who play on the na servers saying how many people play on them but kesh suddenly decides that there are now 1/3 extra na players then there actually are interesting... i think someone needs to get out of the basement and go back to school or perhaps a nice padded room inside a nice hospital with many nice padded rooms...
Instead of making random outrageous comment sand acusing me of lying, go check out the servers this friday or saturday? Numbers were downa little bit with strategus gone adn the patch hitting, but overall we get 150-200 weekdays, 300+ weekends. Also, there are now 8 official NA servers, so make sure to add those to favorites so you cans ee those players as well. Also about 14 unofficial servers you need to keep track of also. So add up those 22 servers during our primetime and then talk shit if you can. Are all Risen, trolls (VVar, Conan, Thovex etc. seem to only troll)??
Instead of making random outrageous comment sand acusing me of lying, go check out the servers this friday or saturday? Numbers were downa little bit with strategus gone adn the patch hitting, but overall we get 150-200 weekdays, 300+ weekends. Also, there are now 8 official NA servers, so make sure to add those to favorites so you cans ee those players as well. Also about 14 unofficial servers you need to keep track of also. So add up those 22 servers during our primetime and then talk shit if you can. Are all Risen, trolls (VVar, Conan, Thovex etc. seem to only troll)??
Sauce on stats?
You do realize you are not calculating tiem slots very well right now?? Its only 2:20 pm CST now, 12:20 west coast time. No one who works is on now and most college students either. This is one of the slowest tiems of the daya dnw e still have 100 on, while it is hitting primetime right now for you. Looking at the servers there is not 300+ people on the EU servers right now (are you also adding up China and AUS servers to boost your numbers a little bit??)
You do realize you are not calculating time slots very well right now?? Its only 2:20 pm CST now, 12:20 west coast time. No one who works is on now and most college students either. This is one of the slowest times of the day and we still have 100 on, while it is hitting primetime right now for you. Looking at the servers there is not 300+ people on the EU servers right now (are you also adding up China and AUS servers to boost your numbers a little bit??)
That map looks like it is going to encourage people (especially in NA) to fight. Looks good to me. When can we start killing each other?
That map looks like it is going to encourage people (especially in NA) to fight. Looks good to me. When can we start killing each other?Ha, if you remember the last version of Strategus, NA doesn't need that much encouragement to fight. We have the FCC. They pretty much keep things interesting on a full time basis. To answer your question, it wouldn't surprise me if it took as long as it did last time for Strategus to come back out.
Well, split is really important thing to discuss. Border between NA and Eu territory is going to be like the Berlin Wall, Americans won't be able to get any EU villages and vice versa.
So maybe it would be better to change this new server system.
Hmm well if a strong EU clan is across the border from a weak NA clan don't be surprised if there's some raids going on, also vica versa.:D
I don't think there is anybody stupid enough to leak over into their opposite sides of the borderline. Its a stupid idea, though I do believe that the Zergling clans or the troll clans will do it.
Why not? DRZ for example attacked the FCC on NA ping, and all the fights involving LLJK did not have perfect servers either.But they were able to conquer and hold their lands. Now if EU fraction will take NA village, they will have to defend it on NA server with pind 200.
Ha, if you remember the last version of Strategus, NA doesn't need that much encouragement to fight. We have the FCC. They pretty much keep things interesting on a full time basis.
Why not? DRZ for example attacked the FCC on NA ping, and all the fights involving LLJK did not have perfect servers either.
My count was 177 EU and 172 NA, but you seem to have missed the rather salient fact that everyone outside of western Europe is going to sleep right around now. It's 23:47 in England, so you're literally counting only the night owls in the actual EU area. Only the last shreds of eastern Europe and Turkey are still hanging on, and the Russians are long gone. That's not exactly what I'd call "prime time".
Huh so beginning prime time NA(that'd be 6 for the east coast) and Ending EU prime time is same players approx?
Huh so, there's an approximate number of people playing.
I don't think there is anybody stupid enough to leak over into their opposite sides of the borderline. Its a stupid idea, though I do believe that the Zergling clans or the troll clans will do it.
Admittedly they had a bunch of NA clans working with them. ANy move by either side would need soemthing along those lines.lawl a bunch as in chaos and hosp? They still had at least 50% of their people fighting in each battle
Also, just went downt he list of every single server (exclusing CHN, AUS) and NA is at 192 and EU is at 194 (RIGHT NOW) (3:31 Pacific Standard Time, way before our peak hours, and 10:31 GMT-0, which si dead on prime time at least it is for us in NA who usually come out in force around 9-11 pm at night).
I have no idea why you keep posting bullshit number like 400-something.
lawl a bunch as in chaos and hosp? They still had at least 50% of their people fighting in each battle
The_Angle, getting mad at strat 2.0 results errday.
For content: Is there any word of controlling a village/castle/town of the opposing server type, ie a NA clan controlling an EU based village, for a certain amount of time will flip it? I know it was mentioned as possibility for the future but did not see if it was implemented in the next round?
The_Angle, getting mad at strat 2.0 results errday.
For content: Is there any word of controlling a village/castle/town of the opposing server type, ie a NA clan controlling an EU based village, for a certain amount of time will flip it? I know it was mentioned as possibility for the future but did not see if it was implemented in the next round?
It doesn't matter how many people are on the servers. What matters to me is people willing to play strategus. And strategus also means forum.
Also, stop referring to the "winner" or "loser" in that poll. It wasn't about winning or losing, but to get an accurate picture of the ratio of eu vs na players. No one "won", because everyone will have a fair share of the map, according to their playerbase. It sounds as if people think that Europeans will have an easy time, while NA will be crowded. If the vote is correct, and I think it is, everyone will have the same ppp (players per pixel). If it seems to be off, we can maybe do another vote halfway through the game and flip a few fiefs over (if those are in NA hand already)
But in general, i agree with matey - allowing to switch a fiefs server after it's conquered will just promote the opposite of what we want. Therefore it will be better to not have that option.
I think chadz might have better access to accurate stats about the playerbase than your sources Kesh. Incidentally, where do you get these random numbers and percentages you're always throwing around?
exxageration.
Though in terms of ACTUAL players playing, i'd say they servers are fairly equal. NA players are dumb, or don't care, about strat. I can tell you from experience that when strat first came out, everyone wanted to know what it was. But, what killed it for a lot of people were clans(specifically EU ones who like to stomp any problems out in their claims: EX: fallen). THe randoms on NA just don't want to play anymore after that. Hopefully with the gearing up towards the individual it might make more randoms play more!
Incidentally, where do you get these random numbers and percentages you're always throwing around?
I have no idea why you keep posting bullshit number like 400-something.
We must be looking at a different server list to him.
I had to cut and copy as i took a 4 screenshots of the entire list but as off 8:20 on a week night 40mins before what you would call peak time we have a nice ammount online : )
You have got to be kidding - you included the EU3 test battle that half the players were NA?? That people made a special point of showing up for - I'm sure that doesn't skew the numbers lol.
Guys.... i would give up. In his/her mind NA is the best, no matter what.And they got loads of players, more clans than EU and all are über skilled and ungay like us Europeans.
LOCK THE THREADDefinitely a step in the right direction. Though i have a better proposal, just for you.
So at our coming home time we have 314 players yesterday na didnt even have 150... at there coming home time, Kesh are you starting to get the point ? stop making up numbers and stats that are quite easily proven wrong!! Also were are all these Na clans? why do they keep getting talked about but are not actually appearing?
Lol Kesh...even now (11:30 pm UK on a work night, later in mainland EU) EU has more players than NA. NA has around 150 between the servers, and EU has around 200 between them. This is getting close to major down time on EU servers. In about an hour EU1 usually drops to 60-40 players (except weekends). Whereas in NA (East/West regardless) it's still quite early. But at the equivalent time in EU the servers are jam packed full. EU1 and EU4 were on/off passworded all day today. As well as the siege servers.
Thats the problem with using the "equivalent" time, its not - you guys have 12 time zones including russia, whereas we have 4 active, maybe could argue 6. So what you call your 3 pm time (where we are not busy right now because many of us work) is actually 7-10 pm somewhere in russia and so very active primetime for them.
Thats the problem with using the "equivalent" time, its not - you guys have 12 time zones including russia, whereas we have 4 active, maybe could argue 6. So what you call your "equivalent" 3 pm time (where we are not busy right now because many of us work) is actually 7-10 pm somewhere in russia and so very active primetime for them. Thats why I am saying you ahve to take an average of unique players over a 24 hour period, otherwise any result based on a smaller time frame will be heavily skewed by difference in number of timezones.LOL! EU goes over 12 time zones? Yeah, I guess with ASIAN Russia we do. But you really think they are playing on EU servers? You really fucking believe that? xD OMG how STUPID! This is just hilariously silly! Ahhhhhhhhhh. Someone can't stop bitching about how "we have more players in NA" when you CLEARLY do not. xD Does anyone even take Kesh seriously anymore?
Why do ppl keep down voting my posts? Is it the avatar?
It seems noone is happy with the current map proposal but I guess that is a good sign, in all honesty.
I'm pretty sure the entire of EU1, EU2, EU4, EU5 were not filled with Russians at 3pm today. I actually see more Russians and Eastern Euros at 6am UK time than I do in the afternoon. Oddly at 6am EU1 is quite full. I've stayed up all night for a few nights now and gone to bed at 6am.
But still...any which way you look at it we still have more players. Even more so if you include your 300 or so Russians who apparently play at 3pm my time.
The fact that EU1 + EU4 + EU2 combined at this time of night (middle of the night in most of EU) is still greater than NA servers combined, despite the fact it's prime time in East coast means something and getting on late afternoon on the West coast means something.
What are you talking about? Right now NA is 5:41 PST (so still a little too early because people just getting home from work) and we have 232 on the NA servers (and that is even with all the community servers not updated with the new patch yet so less people playing) and only 71 in all of the EU servers combined right now. Like I said before we need to take a rolling average for 24 hours of unique users.
You guys don't realize the NA community has grown considerably faster than the EU in the last 12 months and we are much closer to parity of individual active users than you realize, but you can't shift your perception from 8 months ago (and neither can all the EU developers who have almost completely ignored NA for so long). One forum poll where a tiny segment of the playerbase votes doesn't tell us anything accurate.
And JArlek - look at your silly map, its not like Alaska has more than a couple players. For all practical purpose NA has 4 time zones - PST, MST, CST, and EST.
7 pm EST, 4 pm PST is nowhere near prime time for us (think 9-11 pm CST)
Also, thats why we need to keep track of unique users. Having big numbers has nothing to do with being full all day, its about unique people that play at least part of the day. Also a rolling average over 24 hours with unique is the ONLY possible way to get ana ccurate figure. We have to stop doing this comparing at the same time with completely different time zones, it gets us nowhere - we have more sometimes and you have more sometimes, doesn't tell us anything.
And braeden - isn't the ghulag still in effect, I hear it got prettyf ull out there, not sure if they got computers though (and itsa joke people no need to lambast over a silly joke)
What about the multiple accounts? Would those produce an inaccurate headcount?
Africa 0,04 %Africa? :shock: Who is that one? Proxy?
how about we end this:
website statistics:
Europe 55,86 %
Americas 32,27 %
Asia 9,14 %
Oceania 2,38 %
(not set) 0,31 %
Africa 0,04 %
Asia 9,14 %
do you need a diagram, too? :P
There's a lot more CH players than I thought. Or maybe it's Middle East numbers bringing it up?
I have two explanations :
Turkey and (if the dev team badly messed things up not including them in europe) Russia.
And braeden - isn't the ghulag still in effect, I hear it got prettyf ull out there, not sure if they got computers though (and itsa joke people no need to lambast over a silly joke)
There is obviously something wrong with the numbers chadz, EU and NA are wrong, should be the opposite.
how about we end this
website statistics:
Europe 55,86 %
Americas 32,27 %
how about we end this:
website statistics:
Europe 55,86 %
Americas 32,27 %
Asia 9,14 %
Oceania 2,38 %
(not set) 0,31 %
Africa 0,04 %
TLDR
IM A MORON
I know people will chew me out for this, but those are not solid numbers. If you just take it from the website - it includes hundreds of inactive users going back from January at least and possibly last year August. This favors EU because traditionally they had more players during the early time of the mod (all servers were EU), but like I have said repeatedly the NA community has grown faster in the last 8 months so they better replaced all those becoming inactive.
You would need to have some way of checking for accounts that have been active in the last 4 weeks (mostly because a lot of us stop playing once strategus went down (at least I noticed in my clan and in NA), I hardly play 1/10th as much as before - strategus is the main thing carrying this mod at this point, the normal battle/siege servers are boring). I know you willlambast me, but you should never accept any statistics at face value, they are just numbers unless you understand what they are based on and what assumptions are inherent in them.
This would also explain the 9% asian community (used to be a far more active segment 10 months ago, even owned significant number of fiefs at one point in Strategus 1.0)
You would need to have some way of checking for accounts that have been active in the last 4 weeks
(click to show/hide)
Seriously, you do realize most people with active accounts are not on active on the forums, right??? That was part of the original complaint of basing it on a silly forum poll. Numbers are useless unless you understand what they are based on, the inherent assumptions built into those figures, and how/why they lack full accuracy.
:rolleyes:
So basicly the stats from the website arnt accurate, the poll isnt accurate and server browser information isnt accurate.
All three have been presented to you as hard fact.
You have brought nothing to this debate other than random stats and claims.
Ill gladly run around in circles with you if your side of the arguement is this weak :D
Wow, you must be one of those people that belives in ghosts because 36% of the population believes in them. Don't you unerstand Statistics are not hard facts. If you have ever worked with them in polls/surveys etc. extensively you would understand how easily manipulated the numbers are and they don't even need to be because they are often flawed from the start because of improper questions (no question for asian server to eliminate skewed calculation and discount the peopel who have 300 ping in both NA and EU), improper controls to measure against (did the server during the first week strategus was down so lot less active players, rather than start a survey during startegus with an active link to the vote on the actual strategus page), improper data collection techniques (forum poll), etc. etc.
You haven't run circles around anyone VVar - all you've done is climbed on other people's backs on what they did adn then called other people names, kind of sounds like you are an unintelligent 14 yr. old that probably has never taken a statistics course in his life and belives exactly whatever statistics advertisers feed him.
(Oh btw, about Kesh's rampant bitching, etc. It's an American thing to do. Don't like the outcome, Make yourself as publicly visible as possible and perhaps you might actually force a change. Politicians don't like outspoken people thus outspoken people often influence outcomes. Demagouging =) )
Populaton Wise, US is fourth in the world ;p;p
;p
But we are talking about cRPG.
Seriously though. We really are only 2 players with loads of extra keys, playing over 12 different time zones (yet still have a decent ping) with multiple accounts using autoblock and killing this mod just to fuck with you NA people.
:lol:
I think you will find that the statement that only 36.6% of people who voted in the poll voted NA and that 63.4% of people who voted in the poll voted EU is very much a cold hard fact.
I think you will find that the numbers that chadz posted with regards to the origin of people by their website stats are pretty factual too.
Nor are the claims being made from these simple stats anything that does not make sense nor are the claims being made with them even IMO tenuous or weak, they are not being misused.
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They are very simple statistics with very simple conclusions being drawn from them and chadz is not actually a politician or one for really giving a fuck what people think (in at least as much as I have been able to tell) so I doubt he is trying to skew the stats for some weird political reasons. There is not much you can do to bend stats this simple nor is there any reason to!
Suggesting that the crpg statistics you have been presented with are being manipulated to serve some sort of secret EU favouring agenda is hilarious. Well done.
Paranoid delusions much.
:rolleyes:
Populaton Wise, US is fourth in the world ;p
USA is actually 3rd. But what i will point out to you is...
Population
Europe - 731,000,000
USA - 312,266,000
Happy pwned day.
: )
USA is actually 3rd. But what i will point out to you is...A better comparison would be Europe vs North America, but the Europe number would still be higher of course.
Population
Europe - 731,000,000
USA - 312,266,000
Happy pwned day.
: )
So lets get this right you count all 30+ countries in Europe's population and only the U.S. for North America, talk about skewing the data. Why don't you add in Canada and Mexico and Brazil and a few more South American countries and you will find it is slightly more than 731M. Happy pwned day. :D
USA is actually 3rd. But what i will point out to you is...
Population
Europe - 731,000,000
USA - 312,266,000
Happy pwned day.
: )
But thats south? i....errrr..... its..... wait what?
Also updated original post as mentioned.
According to the numbers chadz posted, EU should actually get a SMALLER percentage(roughly 10% decrease) and that 10% should go to China/asian pings or have no set server defined.
So, basically NA and EU are far closer in population terms than EU's been trying to say. (20% diff rather than than a 30% dif) For all of his moanings kesh was actually right about 1 point. NA and EU are closer pop wise than people really believe. Though at this point everyone's beating a dead horse cause the decision and map are done.
i skip 90% of the posts in this thread cause its all super annoying. chadz post explains it pretty well.
...Now as you mention it. I think you are correct Kesh! These 20% got lost, we all can see it now clearly
so it could easily have been 20 or more percentage points higher for either side.
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Now as you mention it. I think you are correct Kesh! These 20% got lost, we all can see it now clearly
EU gets 80% and NA 20%, thanks for bringing it up, we would have totally overseen it.
Here is the new map, already approved by chadz.
Again thanks Kesh, you mate us see reason!(click to show/hide)
but...you only did 16% WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 4%!!!!!math ... hard facts ... what do i care
I loled. I voted for EU because my archery scores are higher on EU servers then NA. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Good to know that chadz does not care and even used such a scenario as an example! :lol:
This bickering is sad. Where people are from IRL doesn't mean a thing to their skill as a player or their worth as a person, which are the only things that truly matter.I love this guy.
No matter the distribution some areas are going to be low-ping and some high-ping to any player. Take it as a measure of challenge. If a clan based in North America manages to take and hold Tihr, they'll know that they accomplished a more difficult goal (unless they took it from other NA players, heh). If a European outfit rolls into Reyvadin, the same. If any players in North America (where I am) don't like that two-thirds of the map is higher-ping, they should consider being proud of that fact. Overall, they'll be playing a more difficult game, an undeniable fact.
I don't understand viewing Strategus based on RL measures. Apart from communication (understanding the other player well enough to work together), it should all be in-game. Roll with people you like, or at least respect. Form a group of lancers, or horse-archers. Join a clan of Sarranids, or Rhodok. Have fun, and don't sweat the details, that no one can fix any way.
- Jallah
I love this guy.
I started typing something in reply but thought about it and decided it would be a waste lolOh noes, vvar using japanese teen avatar as well...
Oh noes, vvar using japanese teen avatar as well...
My avatar is neither japanese nor a teenager :lol:
My avatar is neither japanese nor a teenager :lol:She is prob Thai and around 26 years old....
She is prob Thai and around 26 years old....
Sexy tho :D
I typically have ping 120 on NA servers..so I can still play.
Our 30 pings shall await.
No, and No. Closer though!Then she have to be Chinese and 24 years old.
Yes she is. :D
Then she have to be Chinese and 24 years old.I think she's Korean
whats her name ?
Ping is overrated.
I've heard Americans dont know where Europe is, so why should we let them choose the geography of calradia? I ask thee, why?
I've heard Americans dont know where Europe is, so why should we let them choose the geography of calradia? I ask thee, why?
I've heard Americans dont know where Europe is, so why should we let them choose the geography of calradia? I ask thee, why?
3?
3?
way to get trolled kesh.
That's about the only difference between ToD and Kesh: ToD is mostly acting as he feeds his trolling ego with anti-ranged (and anti-anything that he can argue about) comments while Kesh is so dumb that he actually believes all the nonsense he writes and thus is easy to get trolled like that.(click to show/hide)
Just to let you know Gnjus - yes, the world is round, there are more than 3 countries in North America, and there really is no point to trolling on the forums if you don't even play the game anymore.
P.S. You do know ToD is an archer, right?? he's not anti-ranged, I know it gets confusing but thats you that does the anti-ranged rants.
Nothing personal mate but you're so stupid that you can hear the grass growing.
Interesting. If that was sarcasm, then Gnjus is losing his famous touch, and failed right there for any sort of witty punchline. I am disappointed in you Gnjus.
I also don't really have an ego. Not much reason for me to have one.
There is 1 countries in north america durrrrr
kesh equals moron
There is 6 countries in north america durrrrr
p.s may be either serious or kidding
Dear lord the hole your digging is fucking huge.
You make americans look bad, more than they usually do.
For your sake
I hope for your sake conan!!! I HOPE FOR YOUR SAKE!!!
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend...
...those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
Kesh you dig.
Yea, I'm going to have to agree with that one. Kesh, you know everyone's trolling you about the NA countries right?THEY ARE IGNORANT! IGNOOOOORANT!
I hope so, for your sake.
THEY ARE IGNORANT! IGNOOOOORANT!
We all know that there are 51 countries in NA, though, since USA has 51 states and each state is a country.(click to show/hide)
Lawl 51 states. Double herp. What's your 51st?Canada. Can we get people guessing how many countries are in Europe now?
Canada. Can we get people guessing how many countries are in Europe now?
Counting things like the Papacy and Monocco?I don't know. I'm not even sure if NA should be counting Greenland and such. Nobody made a good set of rules for this game
Lawl 51 states. Double herp. What's your 51st?It's Hawaii. Everybody knows USA has 50 states and then they got Hawaii so that's the 51st herpaderpa.
Counting things like the Papacy and Monocco?Duh. The Papacy is in Africa you derp! The EU 51 states are England, Germany, Britannia, Germany, France, Hamsterdam, Scandinavia, Iceland, Greenland, Germany, Switzerland, Great Britain, Russia, Germany, The UK, Ireland, Italy, Morocco, Spain, Germany, East Bloc, Russia, Greece, Fuckitnobodyisgonnacountthemistan.
I don't know. I'm not even sure if NA should be counting Greenland and such. Nobody made a good set of rules for this game/Troll off (stop taking me serious Anders xD)
I don't know. I'm not even sure if NA should be counting Greenland and such. Nobody made a good set of rules for this game
Greenland is part of Denmark(officially) Thus it's Tagged under Europe.(Due to Denmark being European)That's totally fine. We just call them "The Bunch" which is short for "The Bunch of Countries We Don't Know About nor Care About and Who Probably Isn't Very Important". It's always fun to troll the southeasterners with it :D
Just recalling off the top of my head I can remember...33 countries. Once I get into Eastern/South East Europe, My count and memory gets lost. I know all countries till Germany and North down to Slovak Republic.
The price of a world-class education - free, buy a library card.
how much is a library card?It's free, you just have to pay for it like Kesh said. Wait what? Makes no sense. Just like the rest of it...
It's free, you just have to pay for it like Kesh said. Wait what? Makes no sense. Just like the rest of it...
Phh, I can tell you how many are in both.
NA is Alaska, Ontario, Quebec, Greenland, Eastern United States, Western United States, Central America, Alberta, Northwest Territory
EU is Iceland, Great Britain, Scandinavia, Ukraine, Northern Europe, Southern Europe, Western Europe
They are both worth 5 bonus armies per turn.
This just won the thread.Oh, but you KNOW someone will TRY.
I don't think anyone can top that.
Oh, but you KNOW someone will TRY.
Anti-range comments from me? I complain about range as often as any other class, probably more so, so that might have a bit of truth in it... Not much though. mainly it was anti-longbow sentiment, now I am content.
Interesting. If that was sarcasm, then Gnjus is losing his famous touch, and failed right there for any sort of witty punchline. I am disappointed in you Gnjus.
I also don't really have an ego. Not much reason for me to have one.
One needs to have an IQ higher then his body temperature to be able to understand what my post meant but never mind, I'll try again, especially for you two dedicated archers with combined IQ of 75 (60 for ToD and 15 for Kesh):
1. ToD is a dedicated archer.
2. Kesh is a dedicated archer.
3. ToD wholeheartedly defends his holy grail (archery) & everything else he stands for, with all means available to him.
4. Kesh wholeheartedly defends his holy grail (archery) & everything else he stands for, with all means available to him.
So far so good, agree ?
Now we get to the part i was talking about:
5. ToD, i believe is, just a very egocentric troll who loves to be seen & read by everyone and that's why he enters into arguments no matter the subject (most often its against the anti-ranged speakers who so often object to how ranged classes work in this mod) and he feeds his ego with comments MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE (hope it's much more clear now even tho a person of Paris Hilton's IQ would get it from my initial post but the 2 of you failed). Deep down inside him he knows that most of those people's comments are true and make sense (i said most, not all) but he must continue to oppose them since their rage is what feeds his soul & ego.
6. Kesh, on the other side, is so dumb that he actually believes all the nonsense he writes in defense of his holy grail (archery) & everything else that he stands for and thus is easy to make look like a complete and utter idiot (which he obviously is).
That was about the only point of my post but unfortunately it was too much for a pair of dedicated archers to comprehend.
In the end i feel obliged to offer my apologies to you lads cause i honestly crossed the line of decency here, I am usually very well aware that insulting people with low IQ is not a decent thing to do and in real life I'd never do it but meh, I'm just a human being, subject to making mistakes. I ignored Kesh for some time now and i will continue doing so, he insults himself more then enough with his posts, that's one area at least where he doesn't need anyone's assistance.
One needs to have an IQ higher then his body temperature to be able to understand what my post meant but never mind, I'll try again, especially for you two dedicated archers with combined IQ of 75 (60 for ToD and 15 for Kesh):
this just won the thread
I dont think anyone can top that
What about this:gtfo you arbic fuck(click to show/hide)
ToDGnjus, i believe is, just a very egocentric troll who loves to be seen & read by everyone and that's why he enters into arguments no matter the subject (most often its against theanti-ranged speakers who so often object to how ranged classes work in this mod) and he feeds his ego with comments MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE (hope it's much more clear now even tho a person of Paris Hilton's IQ would get it from my initial post but you failed). Deep down inside him he knows that most of those people's comments are true and make sense (i said most, not all) but he must continue to oppose them since their rage is what feeds his soul & ego.KeshGnjus, on the other side, is so dumb that he actually believes all the nonsense he writes in defense of his holy grail (anti-archery) & everything else that he stands for and thus is easy to make look like a complete and utter idiot (which he obviously is).
Pointless Arguing on the interent to show who's got the biggest e-peen.
There fixed it for you, your rambling schizophrenic monologue more than adequately sums yourself up, great Freudian slip on your part. Also, if you are too stupid to know, Freud was a European psychologist, much like all your buddies are Europeans who suck your cock as being as big a troll as they are against NA players that are more skilled than you and your hiding every round just to shoot a sniper xbow.
Almost everytime I (or ToD or pretty much anyone else) debate with you Gnjus, you always lose because you lack the intelligence and subtlety for any clever or interesting discussion or debate. Odds are that you are probably some bald, fat plumber scooping up shit for a living and trolling on a game you stopped even playing because your career is so pointless.
Touché ! Nice suicide there.
Btw, does your mother know that you communicate with bald, fat assholes over the internet ? There's always some danger in it cause persons with such a low IQ like yourself are more subject to getting manipulated by these perverts. You should be more careful.
Anyways, I'm done speaking to creatures like you. The devs will probably take your nonsense into serious account (as always) while they "improve the mod and take it one step further" so posting in any other sub-forums except spam & off-topic is a waste of time.
U Mad Bro??
Yes, I'm mad cause I'm so fat, bald, ugly & stupid while you're so young, sweet & clever.......when i shag you it looks like this:(click to show/hide)
I'd like to lose some weight but i can't..... :cry:
Gnus 1 kesh -23
If anyone rambles on about pointless or meaningless crap its you kesh not gnjus
Man U so mad you even scared the picture away!
Fixed. (at least temporarily)
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dear me! How the hell can you....post that here and NOT get a mute for it!It's the nose.
dear me! How the hell can you....post that here and NOT get a mute for it!
dear me! How the hell can you....post that here and NOT get a mute for it!
Congratulations okiN I think you handed out the first ever 0 point warning! :lol:
????
Because hes from EU, they dont get muted as easily as most forum moderators are from the EU and know them. The first time he posted it they just deleted the link without even a warning against him. This whole thread at the root is about this - double standards for EU players because most of the developers, moderators, and admins are from EU. They gave me +47 for spam/troll on this thread, while he only gets muted if he posts porn.
No longer the worst, you have been replaced on cRPG sorry.
Who replaced them? Is it Risen? The goons may have some pathetically lackluster minds. But damn, I've never seen such violent stupidity as from some of these guys from Risen. I get depressed knowing VVarlord has posted in a forum before I even get to reading his post. I remember once seeing something of above average intelligence from a Risen member (I can't remember who though; might have been Kingtrisp) that actually brought me hope for the clan, but it was soon followed by the reputation crushing idiocy by other members that I've gotten used to from the tag.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Who replaced them? Is it Risen? The goons may have some pathetically lackluster minds. But damn, I've never seen such violent stupidity as from some of these guys from Risen. I get depressed knowing VVarlord has posted in a forum before I even get to reading his post. I remember once seeing something of above average intelligence from a Risen member (I can't remember who though; might have been Kingtrisp) that actually brought me hope for the clan, but it was soon followed by the reputation crushing idiocy by other members that I've gotten used to from the tag.
Risen=Teen Trolls in Training (TTT)
Enuf said
They say that when you troll someone, the Risen clan comes when you're asleep. That's how they recruit new members!This explains my frequent nightmares.
I love how this thread is a bullet magnet for warnings.
ydy ei bod ynYou can stop it VVar. A Welsh friend of mine already told me the secret. There really is no Welsh language, you just say gibberish in front of tourists and nod your heads pretending to understand xD
ond rydym wrth fy modd
Ydw i yn llwyr gytuno â chi Warlord, Kesh a Tod yn bendant 'n bert dwp
Hefyd, gall rhan fwyaf o bobl yn y DU yn siarad Cymraeg
Repeatedly pointed out that we are all above 21, some of us have families of our own.I'm 12 and what is this?
You are clearly a fat 14 year old with learning difficulties.
Rwy'n dod o Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
is this welsh?Read my earlier post.
is this welsh?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4029/u32p3p1d2.jpgThis division will be valid ?(click to show/hide)
Discuss!
This division will be valid ?