dottedNot entirely sure I get what this means
Ladders should only be removed if absolutely every single map is heavily regulated where every accessable elevated spot has at least two paths to it, preferably three, and the Master of the Field spawns are placed by the map maker to spawn in sane location on the map and not retarded/random spots. Every place that is not meant to be accessed should have an invisible wall.Gave this some thought. Ladders are currently mostly used to create accessable elevated spots with only one path to it. Rarely to create a second path to a location with already one path to it. Besides, isn't it better to let map makers decide where good accesable elevated spots are than the kill hungry players?
Otherwise, keep them.
This has probably been suggested before, but would it be possible to make ladders so that instead of destroying they just get knocked down, so they could be raised again? Knocked down ladders couldn't be moved, only re-raised to original position. This would keep roof campers reachable. Also, knocked down ladders shouldn't be obstacles as they would be indestructible (during a round).good idea, only abusable by knocking them down on certain places so cav get stopped by it, but still better than the current ladder system.
/signed but..., but without ladders, there wont be any camping spots, and if you put a ladder on a house which is already accesable via another way, it gets chopped down in a second, so that's not true.
problem is some maps you need ladders to deal with the campers. its a vicious cycle. if you remove ladders plz edit the maps.
Guess what: archers will be using ladders to get on rooftop in strategus battles too.
Its good practice to learn how to deal with it.
No! you should never have to learn how to deal with someone else's tactics, just cry to the devs to get those tactics banned/nerfed/removed.
ranged cowering on the roof
OK, delete ladders but add acrobatics. (If u want realism)
We can climb some roofs use our hands. Its realistic. We cant crouch and u talk about realism.
U want easy kills.
its nothing to do with easy kills. 4-5 archers in a group on the ground isnt an easy kill. what we want to do is PLAY crpg. not spend the entire round hiding and watching 2 massive groups of ranged players camping on a couple of roofs
Ladders add strategy. This is not zombie kill game, its strategy game. "roof delaying" already banned in rules and admins kick or ban delayers.
Being unable fight back makes it a zombie shooter.
Remove ladders from battle all ready.
Being unable fight back makes it a zombie shooter.
Remove ladders from battle all ready.
Dont lose time archery nerfing, archery already nerfed 6 time. Learn block, i even kill u in duel with 0 wpf...my old friend chers don't have a saying in anything, so stfu
my old friend chers don't have a saying in anything, so stfu
my old friend chers don't have a saying in anything, so stfui want them off the roof, i don't want them nerfed. i get killed a lot by people like tenne. atleast i can accept getting killed by someone who is vunrable himself. but not by someone who doesn't have any kind of threat against him.
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Oh a cav player wanting ranged down on the ground, how surprising...stfu yourself
and fail quoting from you, learn to find the quote button.
my old friend chers don't have a saying in anything, so stfu
cav have a major upper hand on the ground, its not an even playing fieldwith reasonable skill you can kill cav with 1handed, 2handed, poles, bows, xbows and throwing weapons. roofcampers can only be killed by other ranged, and than it's still 50-50 win-lose chance. if a guy with an arbalest is shooting at you, when you try to charge, he shoots your horse in the head, you fall on the ground, and he runs away with his 8 ath.
I dont say no, but if no ladder i want horse archery back. What do u think about my idea cavalary ? Do u like horse archers ?horse archery is still good at what they are designed to do, getting cav down from their horses, a HA can still run 3m behind me and slowly shoot 5 arrows at my horse till it's dead, what else do you want?
horse archery is still good at what they are designed to do, getting cav down from their horses, a HA can still run 3m behind me and slowly shoot 5 arrows at my horse till it's dead, what else do you want?
its not only archers but also crossbowers and even throwers sitting on roofs.
i dont agree with the overinterpretation saying, removing ladders from battle is just another archery nerf, there are enough elevated spots reachable on most (village) maps. persons arguing this way are exactly those that use ladders sololy for the purpose to reach an unaccessable roof and break the ladder afterwards. i believe thats not the way how gamemakers intended the game to be played.
another way to handle the problem would possibly be to make ladders unbreakable. how about that?
another way to handle the problem would possibly be to make ladders unbreakable. how about that?
That's just epic, I love how you didn't fill the o's with the bucket.(click to show/hide)
Oh, also, I'm still convinced that ladders should be removed, but archery should have their nemesis nerfed, cav. I can't look at the scoreboard without seeing 8 cav players in the top ten, its just too easy to get kills.
cav isn't really that good, cav just looks very good because we can kill all the peasents with our class. we don't help our team shit by killing peasents, do we? it just makes us look good. if all the archers would be able to kill the peasents and noobs in a round, than everyone would ssay they're OP. but that doesn't mean they are.That's just epic, I love how you didn't fill the o's with the bucket.(click to show/hide)
Oh, also, I'm still convinced that ladders should be removed, but archery should have their nemesis nerfed, cav. I can't look at the scoreboard without seeing 8 cav players in the top ten, its just too easy to get kills.
Only reply #9 seemed reasonable, everything else just seems to be the usual "no u" arguements that everu alance discussion devolves into.Did you just talk about yourself as the most reasonable here? Reply #9 isnt that reasonable.
fast every 2h and 1h+shield can take ladder with him, and then come for roofmonkeys, they all just greedy and dont spend money on it))
This has probably been suggested before, but would it be possible to make ladders so that instead of destroying they just get knocked down, so they could be raised again? Knocked down ladders couldn't be moved, only re-raised to original position. This would keep roof campers reachable. Also, knocked down ladders shouldn't be obstacles as they would be indestructible (during a round).
This poll not fair. Only archers or strategist commanders check "no" option. Archers are really bad on ground all know this. Last man roof camping already banned in rules. (Some 2 handers cant kill other 2 handers and want easy kill. )no ranged servers aren't fun to play in, ranged belongs in the game, but not on roofs, that's just what we are trying to say, if ladders get deleted, than there will be a new patch anyway, which means there is an oppertunity to buff archers. don't worry, if ladders will be removed, there will still be balance.
WHY DONT play "no ranged" servers ? Learn game pls, cant win game with nerfs, its only persuade urself.
no ranged servers aren't fun to play in, ranged belongs in the game, but not on roofs, that's just what we are trying to say, if ladders get deleted, than there will be a new patch anyway, which means there is an oppertunity to buff archers. don't worry, if ladders will be removed, there will still be balance.
When im ground and any cavalary come for kill, always can kill me. Ground archer vs cavalary impossible for archers. U turn and hit, turn and hit... What can rus bow users do ? They are use only "Hammer"... How can kill you with shitty hammer ? Every one know archers are already dead on ground. Best archers max score average 20-5 but best cavs average score 40-5 and i see LEED can take 50-60 kill him best rounds. I see 50-0 cav but dont see archer.
I know why want this, every one boring shotting games and hate archers in this game. My suggestion is "no ranged" server.
Headshot the god damn horse.
If you can't pull that off, don't play an archer. I can't, so I don't do it either.
Scores mean nothing. Yeah, cavalry can take out most of the fodder, but those are mostly the players who are just.. there.
Archers have one chance for shot cav. and head shot dont work (damage nerfed.). Bow draw time is too long for horse, cav come back time short than bow draw time. Only can block horse attacks.
How about making ladders break if they stop moving before the 90 degree mark? Any legit ladder will have it traveling further then 90 degrees to form a path to walk up. Using ladders to block doors usually makes them stop before going further then 90 degrees. If they fell back down and broke in that case I think it might make sense and solve the door blocking issue. I'd have to test it to know though.
Then you could have it so you cant break your own ladders as well as teammates, and anyone using them in tight spaces to grief their team would have their ladders break.
But the roof is our protection against cav.if ladders are removed, stakes will get in. so cav won't hit your asses as much
Nerf cav
But the roof is our protection against cav.
Nerf cav
But the roof is our protection against cav.
Nerf cav
That archers resort to roof camping is a good sign of how poorly balanced they are. It's a ridiculous and desperate solution for a ridiculous and desperate situation.You're a genuinely funny person, you know .
Let me count the ways archers suffer:
* Must wear light armor or your accuracy suffers
* Once you shoot someone the first time, they start dodging. Given arrow velocities, your odds of a second hit are no better than 1 in 3, regardless of your aim (is he going to dodge left, right or not at all?)
* Heavy armor has little impact on people's speed so that guy in 110 pounds of steel with the giant sword is going to be able to chase you down well enough that any attempt to shoot at him is risking your life
* Very limited ammo means most archers take up 2 slots for arrows. The rus and long bow are 2 slot weapons so you end up with no space left for a decent weapon. If you use the horn bow you can have 1 slot free for a good 1-hander but still no shield. So basically you are always fodderous
* Calculating arrow falloff and proper leading of the target is a lot harder than just swinging your sword
* Even if you're a master at these calculations, the bows themselves are not pinpoint accurate anyway so it's always a crap shoot
* Your only defense against cavalry is to get somewhere they can't reach
* Anyone with decent shield is essentially immune to your weapon
* If you have high power draw, your accuracy suffers
* If you have low power draw, you don't do enough damage to kill that guy running at you full speed in, again, his 110 pounds of armor
So, you want to remove ladders too? On top of all that? Maybe we should give archers a 20% chance of shooting themselves in the head every time they fire, too?
How about we fix a few things and remove ladders at the same time, rather than just destroy archers completely.
My suggestions:
+ Make heavy armor count for a larger reduction in running speed
+ Any cavalry who hits any polearm user head on will take damage to the horse equal to if the polearm user had hit the horse. This will hopefully make cavalry more risky and let infantry better protect archers (as well as themselves)
+ If you get damaged by an arrow you get a "limp" effect for 4 seconds that makes you run 50% normal speed
+ Double the capacity of all quivers. This will give archers a little more option in how they kit themselves. (bow, quiver, shield, hammer would be viable without totally gimping yourself due to insufficient ammo)
This will leave archers vulnerable against cavalry if they have no infantry with them, and will leave shield users as the primary archer murderers but will make archers more effective and survivable against the omnipresent full armor steel horde that largely dominates the game.
That archers resort to roof camping is a good sign of how poorly balanced they are. It's a ridiculous and desperate solution for a ridiculous and desperate situation.
That archers resort to roof camping is a good sign of how poorly balanced they are. It's a ridiculous and desperate solution for a ridiculous and desperate situation.
Let me count the ways archers suffer:
* Must wear light armor or your accuracy suffers
* Once you shoot someone the first time, they start dodging. Given arrow velocities, your odds of a second hit are no better than 1 in 3, regardless of your aim (is he going to dodge left, right or not at all?)
* Heavy armor has little impact on people's speed so that guy in 110 pounds of steel with the giant sword is going to be able to chase you down well enough that any attempt to shoot at him is risking your life
* Very limited ammo means most archers take up 2 slots for arrows. The rus and long bow are 2 slot weapons so you end up with no space left for a decent weapon. If you use the horn bow you can have 1 slot free for a good 1-hander but still no shield. So basically you are always fodderous
* Calculating arrow falloff and proper leading of the target is a lot harder than just swinging your sword
* Even if you're a master at these calculations, the bows themselves are not pinpoint accurate anyway so it's always a crap shoot
* Your only defense against cavalry is to get somewhere they can't reach
* Anyone with decent shield is essentially immune to your weapon
* If you have high power draw, your accuracy suffers
* If you have low power draw, you don't do enough damage to kill that guy running at you full speed in, again, his 110 pounds of armor
1) Once you shoot someone the first time, they start dodging. Given arrow velocities, your odds of a second hit are no better than 1 in 3, regardless of your aim (is he going to dodge left, right or not at all?)
2) Calculating arrow falloff and proper leading of the target is a lot harder than just swinging your sword
1) Some archers don't care about players dancing in circles, they hit you regardless of that, how you explain that? I say you suck :)
I am starting to feel like people are not really responding to this thread anymore, and just copy and pasting old responses from the other threads. :?That's why devs need to either say yes or no on this, cause this discussion isn't going to get any new information.
That's why devs need to either say yes or no on this, cause this discussion isn't going to get any new information.
This.
Remove ladders from battle.tzar, remind yourself of the quote from paul you have in your signature. waisted time :P