Remove ladders from battle

[Momo]

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That's just epic, I love how you didn't fill the o's with the bucket.

Oh, also, I'm still convinced that ladders should be removed, but archery should have their nemesis nerfed, cav. I can't look at the scoreboard without seeing 8 cav players in the top ten, its just too easy to get kills.

First, thanks, that really made me happy XD. Imo cavs are ok in terms of dmg (and they got angle nerfed so they need skill for getting kills(aim), BUT hitboxes are really fucked up), the problem is the horse itself. Just look at the arabian rocket, it's hilarious seriously. It reaches 300km/h in a milisecond, wtf, and it can do instant 90° turns. Armored horses have too much body armor. So I think, remove ladders, then rebalance horses, make the unarmored horses  slower(we need only speed and manuveur nerf), give them a small hp increase also make them a little cheaper. Armored horses should be a little cheaper too, but with less body armor because they are already slow. Then I think, the ranged dudes would be able to take them down without getting arabianrocketraped in 5 seconds after round start.

Edit: Also, when teamwork exists, there are always some dudes with long spear who watches over cavs.

[Old_Sir_Agor]

fast every 2h and 1h+shield can take ladder with him, and then come for roofmonkeys, they all just greedy and dont spend money on it))

[Tears of Destiny]

Only reply #9 seemed reasonable, everything else just seems to be the usual "no u" arguements that everu alance discussion devolves into.

[Glyph]

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That's just epic, I love how you didn't fill the o's with the bucket.

Oh, also, I'm still convinced that ladders should be removed, but archery should have their nemesis nerfed, cav. I can't look at the scoreboard without seeing 8 cav players in the top ten, its just too easy to get kills.

cav isn't really that good, cav just looks very good because we can kill all the peasents with our class. we don't help our team shit by killing peasents, do we? it just makes us look good. if all the archers would be able to kill the peasents and noobs in a round, than everyone would ssay they're OP. but that doesn't mean they are.

[Elio]

I hate the ladders as far as I love them.

But it's the most effective tool to balance the teams, a map, even more than autobalance+banner balance.

[Teeth]

Only reply #9 seemed reasonable, everything else just seems to be the usual "no u" arguements that everu alance discussion devolves into.

Did you just talk about yourself as the most reasonable here? Reply #9 isnt that reasonable.

[Momo]

fast every 2h and 1h+shield can take ladder with him, and then come for roofmonkeys, they all just greedy and dont spend money on it))

BS, if an inf buys a ladder, then tries to go up to the ranged bundle of stickss, they just destroy the ladder + spam over 9000 arrows/bolts/throwing shit, and the inf is dead. So he can put his ladder up into his ass.

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[Christo]

Kewl mspaint skillz there mate.

[Old_Sir_Agor]

then just update maps with more static ladders and make more ranged spots, because now this new blank maps have nothing , just houses without inside or ladders, and maybe some towers.

[Tomas]

This has probably been suggested before, but would it be possible to make ladders so that instead of destroying they just get knocked down, so they could be raised again? Knocked down ladders couldn't be moved, only re-raised to original position. This would keep roof campers reachable. Also, knocked down ladders shouldn't be obstacles as they would be indestructible (during a round).

I like this suggestion, although coding could be hard.

The only alternative is ToD's suggestion of reworking all maps to make everywhere accessible.

EDIT: Another alternative.  Remove all Ladders from the game for individual characters and refund people their gold.  Then on every map place a ladder spawn site at each team's starting position (just like the construction material thingy in Strat Sieges) and possibly at other locations.  That way, whenever someone wants a ladder they just get one from the ladder spawn site (dropping their equip if neccessary).  Once placed they can then go back and pick up their dropped equipment whilst if that Ladder then gets destroyed you just get a new one.  I do think a medium Ladder HP buff might be needed as well though.

[Tomas]

edit: mistaken post

[OttomanSniper]

This poll not fair. Only archers or strategist commanders check "no" option. Archers are really bad on ground all know this. Last man roof camping already banned in rules. (Some 2 handers cant kill other 2 handers and want easy kill. )

WHY DONT play "no ranged" servers ? Learn game pls, cant win game with nerfs, its only persuade urself.

[Glyph]

This poll not fair. Only archers or strategist commanders check "no" option. Archers are really bad on ground all know this. Last man roof camping already banned in rules. (Some 2 handers cant kill other 2 handers and want easy kill. )

WHY DONT play "no ranged" servers ? Learn game pls, cant win game with nerfs, its only persuade urself.

no ranged servers aren't fun to play in, ranged belongs in the game, but not on roofs, that's just what we are trying to say, if ladders get deleted, than there will be a new patch anyway, which means there is an oppertunity to buff archers. don't worry, if ladders will be removed, there will still be balance.

[OttomanSniper]

no ranged servers aren't fun to play in, ranged belongs in the game, but not on roofs, that's just what we are trying to say, if ladders get deleted, than there will be a new patch anyway, which means there is an oppertunity to buff archers. don't worry, if ladders will be removed, there will still be balance.

When im ground and any cavalary come for kill, always can kill me. Ground archer vs cavalary impossible for archers. U turn and hit, turn and hit... What can rus bow users do ? They are use only "Hammer"... How can kill you with shitty hammer ? Every one know archers are already dead on ground. Best archers max score average 20-5 but best cavs average score 40-5 and i see LEED can take 50-60 kill him best rounds. I see 50-0 cav but dont see archer.

I know why want this, every one boring shotting games and hate archers in this game. My suggestion is "no ranged" server.

[Christo]

When im ground and any cavalary come for kill, always can kill me. Ground archer vs cavalary impossible for archers. U turn and hit, turn and hit... What can rus bow users do ? They are use only "Hammer"... How can kill you with shitty hammer ? Every one know archers are already dead on ground. Best archers max score average 20-5 but best cavs average score 40-5 and i see LEED can take 50-60 kill him best rounds. I see 50-0 cav but dont see archer.

I know why want this, every one boring shotting games and hate archers in this game. My suggestion is "no ranged" server.

Headshot the god damn horse.

If you can't pull that off, don't play an archer. I can't, so I don't do it either.

Scores mean nothing. Yeah, cavalry can take out most of the fodder, but those are mostly the players who are just.. there.