Katana's Thrust

[Camaris]

Proper Katana
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 95
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 1

Hello nerfed Archer-Katana

[Lech]

Hello nerfed Archer-Katana

Kk, they can get Langer Messer, Military Sickle and that cool mace anyway, why not katana ?

[Camaris]

I guess those ninjas dont want their main weapon to be an archersword. They want it a bit buffed so it doesnt suck in combat for its current price.
And tbh i also dont want to see every second archer with a katana.

[Lech]

I'm all for weeaboo hate, but i can agree with proper pricing IF all those items will be mid-tier equipment (not on par with best choices but not useless either). Those ninjas want all they toys to be top tier choices while those items don't deserve to be top tier.

[Camaris]

tbh with the suggested buffs the katana still wouldnt be a top choice but it would be ok.

[Team_Jacob]

I'm all for weeaboo hate, but i can agree with proper pricing IF all those items will be mid-tier equipment (not on par with best choices but not useless either). Those ninjas want all they toys to be top tier choices while those items don't deserve to be top tier.

You are a dumbass. "They" (not just the ninja clan) want the katana to better represent the price it costs to use. There's a reason why the danish and german swords have great stats and also a high price. Currently, the katana isn't as good as a longsword or bastard sword that cost much less to use. The solution is to either reduce the cost of the katana or increase the damage.

[Teeth]

I'm all for weeaboo hate, but i can agree with proper pricing IF all those items will be mid-tier equipment (not on par with best choices but not useless either). Those ninjas want all they toys to be top tier choices while those items don't deserve to be top tier.

Sure a katana doesnt deserve to be a top tier weapon. It was only the dominant weapon in an entire nation for two centuries and has become the symbol of feudal Japan as a whole so I'm sure it was quite shitty.

But just look at the stab
Katana:                 16p
Studded Warclub: 16b
Long Iron Mace:    20b
Wakizashi             19p

I know the katana wasnt a weapon intended for thrusting, but it did a pretty good job anyway. It sure more fit for thrusting than the long iron mace or the warclub. Also the Wakizashi has 19p, while its thrust capabilities are comparable. So katana deserves a 19p/20p thrust, it doesnt make the weapon good or worthy of the price tag. It just makes the thrust more as it should be.

[BlackMilk]

Sure a katana doesnt deserve to be a top tier weapon. It was only the dominant weapon in an entire nation for two centuries and has become the symbol of feudal Japan as a whole so I'm sure it was quite shitty.

But just look at the stab
Katana:                 16p
Studded Warclub: 16b
Long Iron Mace:    20b
Wakizashi             19p

Knife: 16 pierce
War Axe : 19 Cut (more dmg than 16p)

Or take a look at this :
Staff
weight: 1
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 128
thrust damage: 16 blunt
swing damage: 16 blunt
slots: 1
Knockdown
Price : 346

Katana
weight: 1.3
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 95
thrust damage: 16 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 2
Price : 9,376

[Teeth]

Staff
speed rating: 103
price: 346

Hey, didn't you have to pay for the speed of the katana? Seems speed is awfully cheap.

[Lech]

Sure a katana doesnt deserve to be a top tier weapon. It was only the dominant weapon in an entire nation for two centuries and has become the symbol of feudal Japan as a whole so I'm sure it was quite shitty.

Lol, it was not primary weapon used on battlefield. And it was shitty.

You are a dumbass. "They" (not just the ninja clan) want the katana to better represent the price it costs to use. There's a reason why the danish and german swords have great stats and also a high price. Currently, the katana isn't as good as a longsword or bastard sword that cost much less to use. The solution is to either reduce the cost of the katana or increase the damage.

You are dumbass. The solution is to reduce the cost and reduce the stats of Katana.

[Camaris]

Reduce stats even more? ;) lol

[Ninja_Khorin]

Lol, it was not primary weapon used on battlefield.

True. During the middle ages, the primary weapon was spear, regardless of country.

And it was shitty.

http://www.thehaca.com/essays/longsword-and-katana.html
TLDR version: Katana is better at cutting, worse at thrusting, worse at guarding capacity and faster

About ARMA: ARMA - the Association for Renaissance Martial Arts, is an educational non-profit organization dedicated to the study and practice of historical fencing and the exploration and promotion of our Western martial heritage.

[v/onMega]

I see, since my evaluation shit hasn't changed.

This whole topic, katana stats and price last was adressed some months ago.

Katana still is overpriced, its stab is a joke.

Over and out.

P.S Everything in this mod always takes around 3 or more months to change, everybody should know this by now xD

[Corwin]

I don't understand the whole fuss: It is clear that bastard and longsword are currently better, and I don't think weaboos whould be punished or being weaboos.
Add +2 more points to cutting and most will agree it is OK. It remains short, but fast, and with +2 more points to cut deadly weapon.
Or, reduce its price for another three or so thousands, so that it is cheaper than longsword. But, I would prefer first option, especially having in mind that ninjas usually don't have enough PS for decent damage.

[Ninja_Khorin]

Yeah we know, Mega 

Also, those that missed Mega evaluation a few weeks ago:

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Okay, here it goes (an hour of play was enough for facts to become apparant)

My build is a 21/19 atm.

Maintaining a 4/1 K/D ratio is possible with both swords, heavy bastard and katana - fact.

Comfort during battle with both is low mostly, which means it aquires a lot of patience and blocking skill - fact

Getting blocked stunned in a lot of situations, omfg its akward sometimes. Even worse with katana - fact

Damage on most targets is fairly average,  while both unloomed, too low for comfort i´d say, decent when loomed i say - fact

THRUST - an option on the heavy bastard, suicide with katana - fact

Katana is overpriced, with those stats it should be lower than heavy bastards price, just because its the worse weapon.


And about the speed arguement, strangely enuff, it doesn´t make up anything.


My 5 cents.


P.S: If u meet ppl with plate or near plate armor and a polearm...you have trouble. Takes 6 or more hits sometimes and a strike will stun BADLY.