Is the conflict in Syria turning into a proxy war?

[Grytviken]

The Wahhabist ideology being peddled from Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan

  You've still yet to respond to how Assad is indirectly benefiting from coalition airstrikes against multiple SUNNI terrorist sects in Syria.

   The Russians might be slow and backwards in their ideology and goals and we have our differences, but they are still good Christian folk and when it comes down to it I would rather see them let loose their temper and anger in the Middle-East unopposed then fight side by side with a Muslim against them.

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Oh, the comments on that one...

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[Vovka]

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[Grytviken]

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 Is this a gift from the King of all shit-posters, Vovka? Ty nerd 

[Grytviken]

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 So using tactics straight from the playbook of Stalin is a great success, who would of thought that! If you just kill them all, civilians included, there's noone left to complain  :lol: Even the cruelest Jew has nothing on Putin 

[Leshma]

Even the cruelest Jew has nothing on Putin

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[Murmillus_Prime]

  You've still yet to respond to how Assad is indirectly benefiting from coalition airstrikes against multiple SUNNI terrorist sects in Syria.

   The Russians might be slow and backwards in their ideology and goals and we have our differences, but they are still good Christian folk and when it comes down to it I would rather see them let loose their temper and anger in the Middle-East unopposed then fight side by side with a Muslim against them.

Oh he would have been indirectly benefiting if they actually made some progress. Shall we talk about Israel indirectly benefiting ISIS and AL-Qaeda by bombing Hezbolla and the SAA multiple times throughout this conflict? Or about how they were treating wounded militants who crossed over from the Golan heights? Shall we also discuss NATO member Turkey's indirect assistance of ISIS and Al-Qaeda by bombing the most effective force facing them in the North of Syria, the Kurds? Well of course Turkey would, wouldn't they? They allowed tens of thousands of NON SYRIAN fighters to pour through their borders and enter Syria to butcher Syrians and subject the remaining populace to a strict interpretation of Islam.

[Murmillus_Prime]

  Right.. because it has nothing to do with more than half the country of Syria wanting nothing to do with him. If he is a great leader why do the majority of his own countrymen hate him?

Also, stating that "More than half" of Syria want nothing to do with him is just a made up measure you've pulled from your arse. There's no way to conclusively determine how many Syrians sided with who or for what reason. Surely if more than half of a nation of around 22 million people opposed their government it wouldn't last very long, and areas under its control in such circumstances would not be viable enough for the government to resume day to day services.

Government held areas are still functioning. Rebel held area's aren't. This fact in itself speaks for itself in more ways than one.

[Grytviken]

Also, stating that "More than half" of Syria want nothing to do with him is just a made up measure you've pulled from your arse. There's no way to conclusively determine how many Syrians sided with who or for what reason. Surely if more than half of a nation of around 20.2 million people opposed their government it wouldn't last very long, and areas under its control and areas held under its control in such circumstances would not be viable enough for the government to resume day to day services.

Government held areas are still functioning. Rebel held area's aren't.

What's stopping the majority of Syrians from rallying behind him and ending the war? He has all the weapons and equipment he could ever need from Russia and Iran to arm all his people, is it the CIA black ops mind-control devices? You need to post more call of duty screenshots to back up your claims here.

[Murmillus_Prime]

What's stopping the majority of Syrians from rallying behind him and ending the war? He has all the weapons and equipment he could ever need from Russia and Iran, is it the CIA black ops mind-control devices?

His army could not hold the majority of the vast and sparse areas of Syria, it was simply overstretched and under equipped and under attack from all sides and not strategically viable. The areas mainly still under government control are some of the most populated areas in Syria and again this speaks for itself.

[Grytviken]

His army could not hold the majority of the vast and sparse areas of Syria, it was simply overstretched and under equipped and under attack from all sides and not strategically viable. The areas mainly still under government control are some of the most populated areas in Syria and again this speaks for itself.

His Army couldn't hold the majority of any place, including his own capital, that's why he called in Iran, Hezbollah and Russia to save his ass.

[Murmillus_Prime]

His Army couldn't hold the majority of those places you talk about, that's why he called in Iran, Hezbollah and Russia to save his ass.

A nation called in its allies to support it in its fight against a foreign backed insurgency, conflict by proxy. If over half of Syria supported the opposition, why have so many refugees admitted to fleeing IS and AL-Qaeda, and why does the Syrian opposition need so much support from tens of thousands of foreign fighters. You also forget to realise that when we talk about the Syrian Army, they have lost tens of thousands of SYRIAN born and bread soldiers to forces backed by foreign states filled with foreign fighters.

I don't know where you live, but just imagine a similar scenario unfolding on your doorstep, imagine Russia started backing communist rebels in your country, who would you side with? Your fellow communist sympathising countrymen, or your government that was elected and is run by your fellow countrymen?

[Grytviken]

  So you are crying about western nations arming civilians that are being bombed by their own government, but are cheering on a dictator who has been doing the exact same thing and calls in foreign powers to pervert his own lands and attack his own citizenry because he lacks the mass public support he needs to win the war by himself, makes sense.

[Murmillus_Prime]

  So you are crying about western nations arming civilians that are being bombed by their own government, but are cheering on a dictator who has been doing the exact same thing and calls in foreign powers to pervert his own lands and attack his own citizenry because he lacks the mass public support he needs to win the war by himself, makes sense.

He's not simply bombing his own people. He's bombing traitors who turned on his government, not because of his brutality but because of their adherence to a strict form of Islam which discriminates against other Islamic sects such as the Alawi sect he belongs to. He's also bombing tens of thousands of non Syrian citizens who were allowed to flood into his country through its vast and porous borders by regional actors with a vendetta against his government. Tens of thousands of fighters who have been armed to the teeth by some of the most powerful and richest nations on this planet, and even some who've been directly trained and funded by the CIA. Under such circumstances he's done bloody well and the Syrian people's support for him steadfast.

[Grytviken]

A nation called in its allies to support it in its fight against a foreign backed insurgency, conflict by proxy. If over half of Syria supported the opposition, why have so many refugees admitted to fleeing IS and AL-Qaeda, and why does the Syrian opposition need so much support from tens of thousands of foreign fighters. You also forget to realise that when we talk about the Syrian Army, they have lost tens of thousands of SYRIAN born and bread soldiers to forces backed by foreign states filled with foreign fighters.

I don't know where you live, but just imagine a similar scenario unfolding on your doorstep, imagine Russia started backing communist rebels in your country, who would you side with? Your fellow communist sympathising countrymen, or your government that was elected and is run by your fellow countrymen?

  It takes one hell of a shitlord in power in the first place to have your own people welcome any kind of foreign intervention in the first place. Dropping bombs on civilians, using chemical weapons, and firing into crowds of civilian protesters tends to upset people on a massive scale.