Map Rotation

[imisshotmail]

And when you do imisshotmail, keep in mind that they are other aspects of gameplay than making maps only be beneficial for cav 

In general, height adds more to game play than it deters.

This is completely wrong. When I consider maps it's about what is fun for every class and height is only fun for ranged, hills are completely awful for melee to fight around and bad for cavalry too. Stairs and such are just wrong to have in a map because they remove a counter to a class completely and is part of why a lot of balance in cRPG is bad. Too many maps have places where ranged are completely safe from cavalry and that in turn makes melee the only target for them which then makes the melee unable to go after the ranged and they are 100% safe. It happens all the time and the only people who like that sort of gameplay are ranged players.

Maps should force ranged players to stay closer to their melee if they don't want to get wrecked by cav. That solves a lot of unfun gameplay in this mod, when ranged are closer to their teams melee it lets the enemy team melee have a chance to actually kill them instead of them always being able to kite and run away.


Honestly if you consider hills and stairways to be a good thing for gameplay in cRPG then the root of the map rotation problem has been found.

[imisshotmail]

Almost all the maps in the rotation should be very flat, but with lots of cover to protect from cavalry and ranged, that is how all the good maps are that the majority of people like.

[Andswaru]

Almost all the maps in the rotation should be very flat, but with lots of cover to protect from cavalry and ranged, that is how all the good maps are that the majority of people like.

Yes because cover works when people are abusing graphics to remove most of it.... its because of scenery removing idiots we need hills and stairs to act as cover for ranged and infantry.

[imisshotmail]

Yes because cover works when people are abusing graphics to remove most of it.... its because of scenery removing idiots we need hills and stairs to act as cover for ranged and infantry.

The fuck are you even talking about? Cover is things like rocks and wooden tables turned over that act as a barrier so projectiles can't hit you, and cavalry can't just charge and bump you because they get reared. To a lesser extent masses of trees work too. If people use plants that don't have a hitbox for cover, that is stupid.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

I agree with BADPOSTER in general.

[Wesleysnipes]

Why is it that all of the EU guys shoot down us NA? Is it possible to give a North American player the power to edit only NA map scenes/rotations? That way you don't have to deal with us and you can spread the resources to the other half of the community.

[San]

Is there any actual reasoning behind why they are instantly shot down? Mostly all of us think they are fun, and the odds of us all being wrong and the 2 or 3 people reviewing them being right are pretty small.

Difference in preferences, nothing wrong with that. It may also be true that some of them aren't very balanced but we find them fun. All the more reason that people in NA may prefer to have some unique maps like the community ones and Arena.

[MURDERTRON]

ADD ARENA TO NA MAP ROTATION 2014 OH AND FUCK YOU EU

[Teeth]

Why is it that all of the EU guys shoot down us NA? Is it possible to give a North American player the power to edit only NA map scenes/rotations? That way you don't have to deal with us and you can spread the resources to the other half of the community.

Find me the guy, I don't have the power to provide him with access to anything but I can and I am willing to directly implement the changes he comes up with to the NA 1 rotation. I am talking about zero interference or effort from my side and this person assuming responsibility for a one time overhaul. I guess he can try to reach out to the devs to get direct access, but this will be quicker for now.

Below are instructions and some basic explanation as to what this person needs to do. Said person needs to read this carefully and provide me with a new map rotation and the required files for the map rotation. I will write the files in there and copy pasta the rotation and then you'll have your own rotation.

Here is the NA 1 map rotation, warning, big list

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#EU1/NA1 ### Last edit 9.5.2014 by Mustikki

set_map ruined_castle
add_map quick_battle_scene_11
add_map heathland
add_map quick_battle_scene_2
add_map commercial_city
add_map dune
add_map taj_apskaft
add_map crop_rotation
add_map northern_archipelago
add_map down_by_the_river
add_map lochhaven_ats
add_map small_village_ats
add_map battle_of_the_mounds
add_map faubourg
add_map riot_in_swadian_city
add_map nether
add_map field_1
add_map glacier_valley
add_map maaseutu_1
add_map native_battle_on_ice
add_map native_field_by_the_river
add_map nord_village
add_map pitfalls
add_map village_87c
add_map village_107c
add_map village_29c
add_map village_32c
add_map river_village
add_map snowy_hamlet
add_map winter_invasion
add_map native_port_assault
add_map battle_trouble_in_the_neighbourhood
add_map tropical
add_map native_ruins
add_map RuIn
add_map village_13c
add_map village_80c
add_map indigo_dryport
add_map rajas
add_map watergate_ats
add_map desert_ruins
add_map screaming_trees
add_map snowy_town
add_map upheaval
add_map lakeside_abbey
add_map the_canals_of_our_city
add_map villageoasis
add_map agania
add_map bounty
add_map face_off
add_map rhodias
add_map crossing
add_map big_sable_lighthouse
add_map fishing_village
add_map overgrown
add_map outpost_village
add_map forest_ruins_ats
add_map maaseutu_2
add_map village_65c
add_map native_nord_town
add_map horseshoe
add_map scorched_earth
add_map village_62c
add_map village_76c
add_map village_99c
add_map village_56c
add_map village_6c
add_map village_34c
add_map village_9c
add_map wolves_cave
add_map sheltered_town
add_map booty_island
#add_map volcano_valley
add_map stone_walls
add_map bariyye
add_map blue_forest
add_map burning_of_the_ships
#add_map city_under_siege#
add_map ice_age
add_map prison_riot
add_map pueblo_village
add_map ruin_thranduil
add_map rivendell
add_map templar_church
add_map odins_tear

shuffle_maps
set_auto_shuffle_maps 1

######################## Always leave a note, why a map was removed. #########################


## Maps took off the rotation
#add_map thawing_tundra #it kinda blows
#add_map chasm #rangedfest
#add_map waning_cold #mediocre map, ninja horses due to shallow water.
#add_map village_106c #decent desert village, switched out for another desert one, has weird bumps in the terrain
#add_map native_farm_by_ruins #mediocre ruin map
#add_map goat_road #too crampy and hated, Zlisch will try to improve it later
#add_map iron_mine #buggy and hated
#add_map ambushed #Bumpy terrain, area that gets used is rather small
#add_map canyon_by_the_ridge #looks bland, gameplay is stale
#add_map battlemasters##GATES BUGGED##
#add_map scott_seasalt # bad spawn, bad terrain and lag issues
#add_map river_valley # unbalanced
#add_map street_revolt_ats ##NA/EU4/5
#add_map village_83c # too hilly
#add_map village_35c # biased, unbalanced, mediocre
#add_map village_46c # unbalanced, too hilly
#add_map village_2c # too hilly
#add_map horrors_of_battlefield # cav getting stuck, no cover for inf
#add_map village_14c ###Less village maps campaing### #
#add_map village_53c ###Less village maps campaing###
#add_map upon_the_rocks # slightly biased
#add_map village_38c #mediocre village
#add_map tumulus # too open, camp map
#add_map village_102c #biased hill
#add_map village_27c# too hilly, too campy
#add_map native_snowy_village # unbalanced
#add_map field_battle # bad invisible walls

#add_map quick_battle_scene_3 # too hilly, unbalanced
#add_map citadel_ruins # Ranged fest, streets too tight
#add_map native_ruined_fort # too hilly
#add_map covered_crossing_1# unbalanced, bridge too small
#add_map domremy # unbalanced camping spots
#add_map village_71c ###Roofs need blocking###
#add_map attack_on_a_caravan # needs update, too much of a clusterfuck
#add_map village_63c #hilly
#add_map prison_break #bugged
#add_map barbaric_island #Rageball map
#add_map pueblo_village #unbalanced
#add_map forest2 #EU1/NA1 you can hide in the trees
#add_map bay_keep #EU4/5
#add_map coo #EU4/5
#add_map zakker_scene_2 #EU4/5
#add_map village_36c #NA/EU4 #too hilly
#add_map village_26c #unbalanced
#add_map hun_in_the_sun  ## we got plenty of cavalry maps already and this doesn't give anything else than the statue ##
#add_map field_2
#add_map quick_battle_1
#add_map village_94c
#add_map battle_in_swadia #boring
#add_map mirage #bad
#add_map spring_flood
#add_map bay #unbalanced
#add_map peipus_lake ####taken off due to low quality and plenty of open maps already
#add_map native_random_plains_large ##people are too stupid and impatient to focus on larger map

What you see here are all the maps that are in the current rotation. Any line that has an # in front of it gets ignored and is thus effectively removed. Any map that gets removed gets an # added, and it gets moved to the 'maps took off' section, then usually a short reason is provided as to why the map was removed for future reference. Any map that is currently in the cRPG module, which means any .sco file that is in the cRPG/SceneObj folder, can be instantly added by simply adding an add_map [.sco_file_name] in the rotation. Ordering is irrelevant, as the server picks a map randomly. NA map guy needs to provide me with a rotation list in the same format as the above one. Providing reasons for removal is appreciated, but if you are going for a very intensive overhaul I'll understand if you don't. I mostly added some of the 'maps taken off' list so you can see some of the more recent map removals in case you want any of them back.

You can view, edit and walk around in all the SceneObj files by launching cRPG without WSE2 and going into the Scene Editor.


If you want a map in the rotation that is not in the SceneObj folder it has to be added in the same vein to the rotation, but you also need to provide me with an .sco file of the map and the terrain code of the map. Terrain codes are found in the scenes.txt file of a Warband module while editing your map, but any map that has been uploaded by the mapper contains both the .sco file and a terrain code. Here's an example.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/y4832v2dbydjkid/Lakeside+Abbey.rar

Which means that if you want to add 40 new maps, you need to upload 40 .sco filesand terrain codes using Dropbox or whatever and provide me with the link. Make sure it is very clear which terrain code belongs to which .sco file. Also make sure that the .sco files are properly named. I will capitalize the names of the .sco file when I implement it, so scn_lakeside_abbey.sco will be named Lakeside Abbey. Don't provide me with scn_blank_116 or scn_mpmap4.


Lastly if you want to edit a map that is already in the module, you need to provide me with an updated .sco file with same name as the one that is already in the module.


So in short. If some NA guy provides me with a proper rotation list and the .sco files and terrain codes that are required for making that rotation, I will implement it. Additions, removals and edits of already implemented maps will take effect on the next server restart, adding maps that arent in the module obviously requires a patch. I don't care who does it, how you decide what gets in and where you find it, but I need what I need.

[Fips]

Hey! If they want to add 40 maps that would mean i have to add 40 maps to the code.

You monster. Tell em to add 4 maps. =/

[Teeth]

Hey! If they want to add 40 maps that would mean i have to add 40 maps to the code.

You monster. Tell em to add 4 maps. =/

If you get me up to date .py files I'll do it, don't worry.

[Jacko]

Assumptions

Noted.

No one is shooting down NA. But fact is we have this discussion every couple of months and no one from NA is willing to do the actual work. If you're interested, poke any one of us in IRC.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

I volunteer as tribute. I have all the necessary skills.

edit: and if anyone is curious, I didn't finish the 2-hour map challenge last night because i got drunk

[Fips]

If you get me up to date .py files I'll do it, don't worry.

Atta boy =D

Yeah, i'll do that then.

[MURDERTRON]

Bariyye and Pueblo Village are horrible.  Please take them out.  Unless you think ranged standing on the highest parts of the map, with only two narrow entrances which are generally climbing up ladders or stairs is a good representation of balanced gameplay.

Ice Age is bad for multiple reasons.  #1, its all blue.  What the hell is that?  #2 there is that fallen house that people can get stuck in the window and can't get out.  #3 there is a hill on the area surrounding the lake or river, and archers just sit there shooting into the center of the map, most infantry charging that hill got shot to shreds.  And worst of all, only one team gets that hill.