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Offline Corsair831

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Banner Balance
« on: July 25, 2014, 08:36:05 pm »
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it's only just come to my attention because of this whole byz/nords merger thing, that a lot of people don't like the banner balance.

please correct me if i'm wrong but it currently attributes a score to each player based on certain factors (which i don't know), like

PLAYER A
level 34 =120 points
kdr 1.3 = 100 points
player's total points =220

etc etc etc

and then balances players based on their score, until you get a

total team 1 points 30,000
total team 2 points 28,500 or something

if this is in fact the way it works (which i'm not actually sure it is), then surely the way to fix banner balance would be to add score for people on the same team sharing the same banner, e.g.

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that way you'd be accounting somewhat for the advantage a player gets from playing with the same banner as his mates.

oh, and also, perhaps it'd be a good idea to include a player's round win/loss ratio as well as their kdr into the equation, so

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just an idea ;)
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2014, 08:36:36 pm »
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tl;dr join krems or ban

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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2014, 09:10:52 pm »
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i don't have a problem with banner balance as much as i have with class balance, like one team having 80% of the ranged or infantry and so on, that is what needs fixing imo. anyone feel the same?
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2014, 09:17:08 pm »
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You know  whats funny corsair?

When the banner balance was with, you and not against you, you never gave a fuck about it.

But now that your mates left you all alone in the cold world of c-rpg, you started caring about banner balance all of a sudden???


 :lol:


Get over it.
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2014, 09:24:03 pm »
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Sry Panos, hes with the evil force not struggling alone like you are. Nice Suggestion +1.
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2014, 09:28:03 pm »
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Sry Panos, hes with the evil force not struggling alone like you are. Nice Suggestion +1.

Nah, I`m not alone dude

I have tommy and poopy by myside  8-)
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2014, 09:30:26 pm »
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Now all you need is a 4th and you can apply too join the musketeers.

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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2014, 09:45:47 pm »
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It seems to rank banners based on all of the players' values. High ranking banners seem to be valued with their rank value ^ 1.1. There's a lot of other stuff in there that I can't quantify from a first glance.

I think it should mostly balance by player. If there is banner balance, balance by player, but bring his banner with him. Then get the next most valued player and his banner teammates, etc. Just looking at what I said, it probably won't work as well as I'm thinking, haha. That being said, the algorithm that values a player isn't so great.

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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2014, 10:22:26 pm »
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i don't have a problem with banner balance as much as i have with class balance, like one team having 80% of the ranged or infantry and so on, that is what needs fixing imo. anyone feel the same?

Yeah, I couldn't give a shit about banner stacks, what pisses me off most and IMO can ruin an entire map is when one team gets 90%+ of the cavalry or archers, sometimes one team even has the majority of both, that can really fucking suck for the other team.

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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 01:04:16 am »
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You know  whats funny corsair?

When the banner balance was with, you and not against you, you never gave a fuck about it.

But now that your mates left you all alone in the cold world of c-rpg, you started caring about banner balance all of a sudden???


 :lol:


Get over it.

aaactually panos, i'm in the clan with the huge bannerstack (vanguard), and i think the advantage we get from having ~~15 good players teamworking on teamspeak is a bit OP

would be nice if the banner balance took into account clan stacking and increased their "points per player" in the eyes of the banner balance system so that bannerstack had a bit less of an easy time rolling :P
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 02:54:52 am »
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You know  whats funny corsair?

When the banner balance was with, you and not against you, you never gave a fuck about it.

But now that your mates left you all alone in the cold world of c-rpg, you started caring about banner balance all of a sudden???


 :lol:


Get over it.

So you dont mind us having ~15 of the best players on the server in the same team?
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 03:13:33 am »
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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2014, 03:17:18 am »
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My feeling about banner balance is that although it can lead to "skill stacks", the bigger issues for team balance that it causes are coordinated loadout stacks/cohesion between players under the same banner.

Yeah, it's pretty bad if one team has a few more excellent 2h/pole/cavalry that fight individually than the other team.

It's a bit worse if they fight with a more team based strategy than the other team too.

...And then the team balance just becomes awful when that one team that may or may not have more good players coordinates loadouts according to the map, and also happens to work really well together.

Examples:
One team full of HA and/or heavy lancers on an open map (once the WPF bug is fixed anyway)
One team full of maulers + heavy plate in a confined map
One team full of xbows/archers + throwers with shieldbreaking weapons on a map that has rooftops/large staircases/long doorways with narrow entries.

I do find rounds more entertaining when it happens though (especially long maul plate stacks), and I can't really say that a team doesn't deserve wins if it can coordinate to that level, so at least there's that.

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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2014, 07:48:12 am »
+1

If a nord-byz-uber stack stomps EU1, I simply join Siege with a handful of my clanmates and roll a multi there, or I go and leech erm play on DTV, or I turn my PC off and do something else.


So you are forced to leave the server because of the clan stack on the other team :/


I think corsair's idea is nice. But maybe set the limit to 5 players, and start rolling the increased points from there. +10 when you have 6 players. +20 at 7 etc....

IMO this bannerstack only becomes a noticeable problem when the stack fills over ~35% of the whole team.

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Re: Banner Balance
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2014, 07:44:14 pm »
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My relatively small clan already has at least 5 players that are better than the average byz or nord guy ever could get.
 
I couln't care less about banner balance, as in my eyes it never really destroyed the fun of randomers/lone players/small clans, only people who are bad players/got dropped to often as childs are constantly complaining about banner balance.

If a nord-byz-uber stack stomps EU1, I simply join Siege with a handful of my clanmates and roll a multi there, or I go and leech erm play on DTV, or I turn my PC off and do something else.

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