ADD A FUCKING RANGED CAP ALREADY

[Tzar]

Quit and start playing other games, an let cRPG rot. Thats what i did, im just waiting for there new game.. Havent played for 5 months now, an not planning on it since the RaI\Iged scrub lobby have the devs dicks so far down there throat now...

Also fucking up heavy cav, so they could keep up the pew pew, fucked up my build  CBA to respec, CBA to play....

[Bronto]

The absolute worst thing to happen to archery was the reworking of the stats of bows. It was a terrible idea and it has clearly failed. Revert bows to how they were. There is now way the second bow in (nomad bow) should arguably be one of the strongest bows in the game. That is completely moronic. Comparable to making the wooden stick, axe, or pitchfork in other classes the second best weapon for that class or the sumpter horse just slighty worse than the courser. Please. I had a major issue when the decision was made to remove longbow's pierce only damage WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE, to then the respec of all bows and arrows. I mean come on. There is a point where something is ok, then there is a point when you've just gone too far.  I don't want to do this but I will. Below is how the stats of the bows should be in my humble opinion, not how they are now. Again how they are now is fucking stupid and it's the reason why there are so many people shooting you in melee. You can max an archery build with a nomad bow and have laser guided missiles that shoot faster, more accurately, and more rapidly than anything on the battlefield. On top of that, use some bodkins and now that machine gun does pierce damage. GG everyone. Here's my list.

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Short Bow
missile speed: 36
weight: 2
accuracy: 95
difficulty: 1
speed rating: 60
missile speed: 36
thrust damage: 21 cut
slots: 1

Nomad Bow
missile speed: 38
weight: 2.4
accuracy: 96
difficulty: 2
speed rating: 62
missile speed: 38
thrust damage: 23 cut
slots: 1

Tatar Bow
missile speed: 40
weight: 2.4
accuracy: 97
difficulty: 3
speed rating: 64
missile speed: 40
thrust damage: 24 cut
slots: 1

Bow
missile speed: 39
weight: 3.5
accuracy: 96
difficulty: 4
speed rating: 58
missile speed: 39
thrust damage: 26 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Horn Bow
missile speed: 40
weight: 2.7
accuracy: 99
difficulty: 5
speed rating: 59
missile speed: 40
thrust damage: 25 cut
slots: 1

Yumi
missile speed: 39
weight: 3.2
accuracy: 100
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 59
missile speed: 39
thrust damage: 26 cut
slots: 2

Rus Bow
missile speed: 40
weight: 3.7
accuracy: 100
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 56
missile speed: 40
thrust damage: 28 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Long Bow
missile speed: 41
weight: 4
accuracy: 101
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 52
missile speed: 41
thrust damage: 31 cut (REALLY THIS SHOULD BE THE ONLY BOW THAT DOES PIERCE DAMAGE)
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Also arrows shouldn't determine what type of damage your bow does. If they do, then bring back the ability for me to switch between quivers when I pick my targets.

Edit: Feel free to play with the numbers I'm on my phone and have to keep editing to see the entire list!

[BlindGuy]

While I agree with Bronto that the current balance of bows is fucking so assbackwards that it makes unborn infants cry in the prospect of having to live in a world with it, Bronto's numbers are just as stupid, and as to longbow being pierce, thats retarded.

In what world though is ANY bow going to have faster misile speed than longbow? I don't get it... longbow from yew would is natural laminate, and ask any historian who has stupied period just prior to and during 100 Years War will tell you, yew longbow is a laminate recurve bow, the arrows out of a 90-150 pound recurve laminate are going to be invisible to the naked eye for the first hundred metres, forget there being ANY bow faster.


As to crossbows too: before the steel arms, so every crossbow below Heavy Crossbow, needs misile drastically reduced: shit wasnt fast, before steel bows, crossbows were not even dangerous to men in maille.

[Bronto]

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While I agree with Bronto that the current balance of bows is fucking so assbackwards that it makes unborn infants cry in the prospect of having to live in a world with it, Bronto's numbers are just as stupid, and as to longbow being pierce, thats retarded.

In what world though is ANY bow going to have faster misile speed than longbow? I don't get it... longbow from yew would is natural laminate, and ask any historian who has stupied period just prior to and during 100 Years War will tell you, yew longbow is a laminate recurve bow, the arrows out of a 90-150 pound recurve laminate are going to be invisible to the naked eye for the first hundred metres, forget there being ANY bow faster.


As to crossbows too: before the steel arms, so every crossbow below Heavy Crossbow, needs misile drastically reduced: shit wasnt fast, before steel bows, crossbows were not even dangerous to men in maille.

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#gottem

Longbow in this game used to be the only bow that does pierce damage. As for my numbers being retarded, please adjust them so they aren't and post your ideas. Every missile speed should be less than the longbow as it used to be.

[BlindGuy]

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#gottem

Longbow in this game used to be the only bow that does pierce damage. As for my numbers being retarded, please adjust them so they aren't and post your ideas. Every missile speed should be less than the longbow as it used to be.

Yes Im new Bronco, new enough to remember when the Longbow pierce dmg was introduced. it was a bad idea then, and now.

[Lt_Anders]

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#gottem

Longbow in this game used to be the only bow that does pierce damage. As for my numbers being retarded, please adjust them so they aren't and post your ideas. Every missile speed should be less than the longbow as it used to be.

Longbow, Pierce only is bad. It's better to be able to make the bow do damage, and arrows choose the type of damage. Also, FYI, longbows, intrinsically did not do "pierce" damage. It was the Bodkins fired from their arrows that did that. Having Bodkins set as Pierce was the smart way, and more intuitive than anything else.

Still don't see problem with archer numbers. I never get focused down by any form of archer and if they kill  me, I already knew they were there and bad at removing my capability of getting hit.

[Bronto]

Yes Im new Bronco

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Also, you all have opinions but I don't see your work. As I said in my other post, adjust the stats and post them. The hard work is done, now copy and paste what you think it should be. Don't be lazy ass people that don't agree but won't show you what they think is better. That's just stupid and how can anyone take you seriously if all you're going to do is say your wrong, spout some words, but don't actually show what you think the stats should be.

[BlindGuy]

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Your some newmy old friend from NA, who cares tbh: Know when the mod seriously started to go downhill? When we got NA ppl on the "balance" team... WHY do you guys even play this? You have 5 minutes of martial history, and most of that is in provoking your neighbors untill you can safely claim them as aggressors then murdering their ppl wholesale. Nub, gtfo, get three thousand years of recorded martial history and culture then come back.

[Bronto]

Your some newmy old friend from NA, who cares tbh: Know when the mod seriously started to go downhill? When we got NA ppl on the "balance" team... WHY do you guys even play this? You have 5 minutes of martial history, and most of that is in provoking your neighbors untill you can safely claim them as aggressors then murdering their ppl wholesale. Nub, gtfo, get three thousand years of recorded martial history and culture then come back.

Typical EU superior nerd. I expected you to have an intelligent conversation but apparently that is beyond your capabilities. What does your history have to do with anything? What does any of your statement above have to do with anything at all? You can't be that dense can you? I've probably played this mod as long as you have. I've played since pretty much the beginning. You really turned this into an NA/EU debate just like all the other threads this happens too and yet you view me as the idiot. You should be glad that other people play the game other than assholes like you that get angry for no reason. All I'm asking is that you and anyone else, show me what you think the stats should be. Is it that fucking hard? Are you drooling on your keyboard unable to type anything but insults because that's how stupid you are?

Edit: Just saw your signature and the team was right. You are a total twat.

[BlindGuy]

Typical EU superior nerd. I expected you to have an intelligent conversation but apparently that is beyond your capabilities. What does your history have to do with anything? What does any of your statement above have to do with anything at all? You can't be that dense can you? I've probably played this mod as long as you have. I've played since pretty much the beginning. You really turned this into an NA/EU debate just like all the other threads this happens too and yet you view me as the idiot. You should be glad that other people play the game other than assholes like you that get angry for no reason. All I'm asking is that you and anyone else, show me what you think the stats should be. Is it that fucking hard? Are you drooling on your keyboard unable to type anything but insults because that's how stupid you are?

Edit: Just saw your signature and the team was right. You are a total twat.

I don't see the part where I claim to view you as the idiot, nor the part where I am angry. But please, continue to make shit up, it really makes ME look like the "dense" one here

Your a funny dude, but calm down, I shouldn't be able to see your bloodpreasure through your text buddy.

EDIT: I'm serious, calm down, you really shouldn't get so worked up over forum spam about a game. Do you have a high salt intake?

[Bronto]

I don't see the part where I claim to view you as the idiot, nor the part where I am angry. But please, continue to make shit up, it really makes ME look like the "dense" one here

Your a funny dude, but calm down, I shouldn't be able to see your bloodpreasure through your text buddy.

Poor guy can't even read his own writing. Is the EU education system really that bad? Go reread what you typed to me and tell me it sounds completely friendly.

[BlindGuy]

Poor guy can't even read his own writing. Is the EU education system really that bad? Go reread what you typed to me and tell me it sounds completely friendly.

You know, if you keep constantly changing what it is you are claiming, eventually you might just be right.

[Lt_Anders]

Your some newmy old friend from NA, who cares tbh: Know when the mod seriously started to go downhill? When we got NA ppl on the "balance" team... WHY do you guys even play this? You have 5 minutes of martial history, and most of that is in provoking your neighbors untill you can safely claim them as aggressors then murdering their ppl wholesale. Nub, gtfo, get three thousand years of recorded martial history and culture then come back.

Translation:
I'm EU. My dick is small and I have to insult someone because I can't make a valid, proper post defending my viewpoint. Thanks for ignoring me
-Total Twat.

@Bronto
I'm not an archer, but your stats seem off, honestly. At work so I can't spend time creating something.

[Bronto]

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[Grumbs]

Can't we just talk about nerf ranged? NA are descended from europe, same as EU. Not that that would be a valid reason to not have input anyway.