I've already had this discussion with Overdriven elsewhere on the forum. Fact is there is no muslim faction or school anywhere on the entire planet that does not follow or addopt some of the (various and often self-contradictory) Haddiths. According to his own definition of what a "real" muslim is, i.e the only document that matters is the Koran, there are vanishingly few real muslims. It's just yet another case of "No True Scotsman", the perfect fallacy to defend retarded religious extremists, pretending they are some sort of abberation as opposed to the logical conclusions of their ideology.
It's like when Sufi's and Hazara's and other small splinter philosophies and tribes are offered up as evidence of Islam's "liberalism", despite being small isolated fragments, often persecuted and loathed by surrounding muslims. Some complete moron even tried to convince me Salafi's of all schools are extremely liberal, which made me guffaw condescendingly. And that's ignoring the most obvious schism, the rivalry and hatred between sunni and shia that continues to define a lot of the politics in muslim majority countries. What the fuck is a "real" muslim anyways, out of all the schisms and tribal groups and schools of jurisprudence and etc..?
No one should give a flying fuck if individuals want to live their lives according to a code created by some desert bedouin leader hundreds of years ago ("inspired" by other semitic religions). Just stay the fuck away from centers of material and governmental power. The problem is it isn't about individual freedom of worship, it's about imposing that creed upon entire groups through societal mechanisms, like government. That's just the way every Abrahamic religion was built from the ground up, as a total life guide. And it doesn't take an "extremist" muslim to hold values completely incompatible with those of the modern "west". So-called moderates and even non-practicing muslims painting every criticism of Islam as "Islamophobia" and racism. Maybe if the vast majority of muslims in the world didn't overwhelmingly favour and demand to live under governments that embrace their fairy tales as guidelines on law and governance. I've lost count of how many "moderates" I've seen decrying secularism as just another covert way of hating on poor martyr opressed muslims. If you have a problem with secular governance, you can go fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from to live under a "proper" government guided by the hand of god.
