Muslims, really?

[Falka]

It comes down to dumb uneducated people not religion

MOst ppl don't do evil stuff without any reason. And islam gives its followers a reason - or an excuse - to do malicious things like this:

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A 13-year-old girl who said she had been Molested was stoned to death in Somalia after being accused of adultery by Islamic militants, a human rights group said.
Dozens of men stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow to death Oct. 27 in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators in the southern port city of Kismayo, Amnesty International and Somali media reported, citing witnesses. The Islamic militia in charge of Kismayo had accused her of adultery after she reported that three men had Molested her, the rights group said.

In Syria, a girl was stoned to death for having a Facebook account.
The girl, Fatoum Al-Jassem, was executed by a mob of Islamic extremists after being sentenced to death by a Sharia court.

Sure, there're are ppl among western societies who, under certain circumstances, would be able to do any malevolent, spiteful act,but they need some ideology encouraging them to do that, like fascism e.g. And thankfully christianism for the most part isn't such ideology these days.
 

Each religion has it's fucked up aspects. And claiming that Islam is the only religion to influence law...

What's important is how islam influence law in arab countries... While I "hate" the role which religion and catholic church plays in my country it's incomparable with islamic law.

[Falka]

Christianity has the IRA. That's what happens when you mix Irish People with extremism.

I don't think that Ira do what it does exclusively or even mostly because of religion. REligion just makes everything worse, but it's not the root of the conflict. But I'm not an expert so maybe I'm wrong

[Flans]

If we're looking at this in terms of numbers or volume of killed humans.  There is no religion on this planet that has done worse than the people that worship the "son of God".

In fact more than 99% of the killings that Christians have commited was in forms of aggressive campaigns, you can't argue any self defence or moral rights to it. It was savage expansion destroy everyone and everything.
To have called Muslims and any other natives that have been victimised for the past 400 years anything other than people protecting themselves against aggression is incomprehensible.

But then, the human mind is the one at fault here, as the saying goes "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. (in this case a "terrorist"??) Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror.(yep nothing wrong with nukes, ethnic cleansing)"

This topic has nothing to do with the Islamic religion no matter how you see it portrayed, and to call it sharia law makes me laugh... no one on this planet has seen sharia law as it was meant to be since 1566.
What all you people perceive as "Sharia law" is the warped propaganda burned western version.  Enjoy your bigotry kids.

[Overdriven]

What's important is how islam influence law in arab countries... While I "hate" the role which religion and catholic church plays in my country it's incomparable with islamic law.

It influences law but actual Islamic law is usually twisted horribly in the politics of Arab countries. Having read multiple versions of the Quran  whilst it condemns apostasy, there is no mention of it being punishable by death. This came later in the Hadiths and even then only as a sentence for males of sound mind. Won't even bother to get into how much I abhor the idea of many of the Hadiths.

So this ruling is utterly daft and certainly not Islamic.

[Falka]

It was savage expansion destroy everyone and everything.
To have called Muslims and any other natives that have been victimised for the past 400 years anything other than people protecting themselves against aggression is incomprehensible.

Don't want to break your dreams, but that's how Ottoman Empire looked like 300 years ago:

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NOpe, Budapest isn't a cradle of islam.

History of christianity is bloody and full of violence, no doubt about it, but todays western world has very little in common with old christianity, while islam and arab countires stick with their mentality in the darkness of middle ages.

Having read multiple versions of the Quran  whilst it condemns apostasy, there is no mention of it being punishable by death.

And in the bible there's no mention of pope, saints, commandemnts of church and so on (and on the other hand bible dictates to kill gays; "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives", or sluts; "But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death" ). Religions, not only islam, have very little in common with their holy books.

[Xant]

I think more and more people are starting to see through the political correctness when it comes to Islam. It's starting to be hard to ignore the pattern when such a big percentage of horrible things are done by Muslims.

[HarunYahya]

I am fucking amazed by how you, Falka, connect arab violance and uncivilized way of living to their religion.
I guess it is a bit hard to learn about "ethics" , "civil life" , "equality" and "justice" while your marketplaces get carpet bombed regularly by a fucking toy under the command of a guy who's away thousands of kilometers away...
But nah, an arab killed a pregnant woman, muslims too evil ( Maybe he did that because nobody gives a flying fuck about christians bomb his town without choosing targets and killing hundreds of children-women with fucking drones every fucking day for few fucking years ?

I hate arabs, i pity every radical believers who's actions are harmful, but western civilizations turned arabs into rabid dogs not Islam. Arabs are not practicing islam,they are just rabid dogs. All they seen is war since their fucking childhood and what do you expect them to act like gentlemen ?

[Falka]

I guess it is a bit hard to learn about "ethics" , "civil life" , "equality" and "justice" while your marketplaces get carpet bombed regularly by a fucking toy under the command of a guy who's away thousands of kilometers away..

christians bomb his town without choosing targets and killing hundreds of children-women with fucking drones every fucking day for few fucking years ?

All they seen is war since their fucking childhood and what do you expect them to act like gentlemen ?

It's a shame but so far neither USA nor any other christian country have bombed Saudi Arabia.

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a Saudi preacher was convicted of torturing his five year old daughter with a cane and killing her because he doubted her virginity in 2011. He was sentenced to 600 lashes and 8 years in prison. A woman was sentenced to 200 lashes for being raped.

Earlier this year a Saudi cleric, recommended that women dress their young babies in burka to help prevent them from being molested.

Maybe you have seen this some time ago, it was pretty well known case:

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In Saudi Arabia an Islamic cleric who admits to raping, torturing and killing his daughter received a fine but no jail time for his heinous crime. Saudi media reports that the father paid 200,000 riyals ($50,000 US) in “blood money” for his crime, but will not be required to serve any time in prison.

A Saudi Arabian woman must be accompanied by a male guardian — typically relative — at all times in public. The rape victim violated this law by meeting a friend to retrieve a picture.
A 19-year-old gang rape victim was sentenced to 200 lashes and to six months in jail for the crime of indecency and speaking to the press.

Saudi Arabia defended a controversial verdict sentencing a 19-year-old gang rape victim to 200 lashes and six months in jail. The Shi’ite Muslim woman had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicted of violating Saudi Arabia’s rigid Islamic Sharia law on segregation of the sexes.

However, the Saudi judiciary stood by its decision. “The Ministry of Justice welcomes constructive criticism, away from emotions,” it said in a statement.
The statement also said that the “charges were proven” against the woman for having been in a car with a strange male, and repeated criticism of her lawyer for talking “defiantly” about the judicial system, saying “it has shown ignorance.”

[Grumpy_Nic]

Humans kill each other, thats just natural. Some countries think that other countries are fuckin moronic.

In general I dont agree with any believers, as believing in a deity just seems fuckin idiotic to me and I wouldnt mind if such people died right away. But whatever. I dont even know if what I wrote fits into this thread in any way because I didnt read anything but a small part of the OP. But since this is a forum I can write my opinion wherever I want and whenever I want.

Best regards

[HarunYahya]

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You guys are too biased to see the point...

[Falka]

You guys are too biased to see the point...

If your point is that connecting "arab violance and uncivilized way of living to their religion" is unjustified, I don't buy it. If you, like Overdriven, try to separate some idealistic vision of religion, based on holy books, be it Koran or Bible, from religion in real life - I don't buy it. For me religion as an abstract belief system has no meaning and isn't worth talking about. Why? Because religions preached by priests, imams or whatever their name is, have very little in common with actual text of holybooks. And after all it's all made up.

Islamic law, no matter how "twisted" it is according to Overdriven, is part of the religion of islam as a social movement, just like inquisition was a part of catholicism. If I see islam as "an evil" it's because of the actions of huge part of its followers.

[Kafein]

I think more and more people are starting to see through the political correctness when it comes to Islam. It's starting to be hard to ignore the pattern when such a big percentage of horrible things are done by Muslims.

And supposing this is true, what action should be taken then ?

[Christo]

And supposing this is true, what action should be taken then ?

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[Umbra]

And supposing this is true, what action should be taken then ?

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[the real god emperor]

There's no such thing like "kill all the infidels" in kuran-ı kerim , it only says infidels will burn in hell cus they re bundle of stickss worshipping false gods , the violence done by Muslims is cus of Arabian heritage , come on we re talking about people who impales their own kin cus they re gay. The reason Islam spread through Arabs is because Arabs were worshipping silly statues , and fighting to each other to prove which god is the best one. After Turks fought as Mercenaries in Arab armies they embraced Islam just like Vikings embraced Christianity after fighting for Brits.
Yes there is this Jihad thing but Quran also says "There is no forcing in religion" . So after seeing a pregnant woman got killed by Muslim Arabs then saying omg that religion is corrupted is utterly wrong .
tl;dr fuck you