How to nerf archery, without destroying it.

[Paul]

Personally I could agree to two things: lowering overall ammo(bolt+arrow) count to 80% and lowering shield weight(maybe even half it). Shield weight bothers me for some time because they simply seem too heavy realismwise. But that is shikstuff so I don't really know. Speeding up shielders and thus hoplites that way would give them an additional edge in melee over 2h and shieldless polearm - the most vocal whiners. So it won't happen I guess. I'd also have to respec to a non-shielder to "prove" that it wasn't done to gain benefits.

[Lactating Vegetables]

Shield weight bothers me for some time because they simply seem too heavy realismwise.

Wait wait wait. THAT bothers your for realism, yet 10kg for a quiver of arrows is fine???? Da fuck are you smoking?

Have any of you even felt the weight of a quiver of arrows, its no where near 10kg

[Paul]

Quiver weights are a crude workaround to slow down archers. I don't like it either but it has to be there for now. Also, those depleted uranium tips are quite heavy.

[Lactating Vegetables]

Instead of making quivers weigh more than they should, can you not put a work around where every 1PD a character has will reduce their speed by a certain percentage, so that, that way "heavy" archers are slower than light archers

[Paul]

No, that would be either cmp stuff who is busy elsewhere atm or with the MS alone the other devs would have to use crude workarounds that would cause more damage than benefit.

[Lactating Vegetables]

Fair enough, though it still bugs me how some of those damned plate guys are allowed to run faster than an archer that is wearing a linen tunic

[Gurnisson]

Fair enough, though it still bugs me how some of those damned plate guys are allowed to run faster than an archer that is wearing a linen tunic

They don't, unless you're talking about an agility build using plate and a strength archer using two stacks of arrows.

Pro-tip, sheath your bow when you want to gain distance, the speed gain is totally worth it.

[Ronin]

Instead of making quivers weigh more than they should, can you not put a work around where every 1PD a character has will reduce their speed by a certain percentage, so that, that way "heavy" archers are slower than light archers

Heavy archers are already slower than light archers, because they have less athletics/AGI. Plus, no archer should be moving fast at all if kiting archers are supposed to be toned down.

[Tzar]

So Paul suggest that we buff archers an make em able to kite again, and half the wieght on shielders.

Huehuehue sounds like a good plan or nut...

[XyNox]

Speeding up shielders and thus hoplites that way would give them an additional edge in melee over 2h and shieldless polearm - the most vocal whiners. So it won't happen I guess.

I probably asked this more then once now but cant remember reading an answer. Why do you care ? Its "your" game. When you hold back a ( in your subjective opinion ) necessary gamechange just to please a certain lobby, how can anything good evolve from that ? This is the whole reason we have people who spend more time crying on the forum than playing the actual game, because they know devs wont stick to their decisions given enough QQ is provided. I am not adressing any specific topic like ranged or shields, I just cant understand that balance policy in general. There is nothing wrong with constructive feedback of course but as long as people can expect a better reward from forumlobbying rather than adapting we will always see the former IMO.

[Thomek]

Yeah Xynox, why do you even discuss here. If we nerf ranged, you can just "Adapt" yourself and go Melee.

It seems to be the same to you.. Ah.. No, It's just all the others that has to adapt to your pew pew playstyle.. 

[XyNox]

I am not adressing any specific topic like ranged or shields, I just cant understand that balance policy in general.

Jeez calm down Thomek.

[Rebelyell]

I probably asked this more then once now but cant remember reading an answer. Why do you care ? Its "your" game. When you hold back a ( in your subjective opinion ) necessary gamechange just to please a certain lobby, how can anything good evolve from that ? This is the whole reason we have people who spend more time crying on the forum than playing the actual game, because they know devs wont stick to their decisions given enough QQ is provided. I am not adressing any specific topic like ranged or shields, I just cant understand that balance policy in general. There is nothing wrong with constructive feedback of course but as long as people can expect a better reward from forumlobbying rather than adapting we will always see the former IMO.

probably because more and more peoples ignore yours posts

[Paul]

So Paul suggest that we buff archers an make em able to kite again, and half the wieght on shielders.

Huehuehue sounds like a good plan or nut...

Where did I say that I want to make archers be able to kite again? I just don't like the way their speed was nerfed. Even if you have trouble understanding the contents of a text, making up half of it won't cover up your deficiency.

[Adamar]

Ranged needs to be ballanced via armor.