Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Christo]

Generations are an illusion fabricated by western propaganda

ahahahahaha

[Tibe]

Another thing concerning Udo Ulfkotte: He has published a book called “bought off journalists – how politicians, intelligence agencies and the high finance control Germany’s mass media” (“Gekaufte Journalisten – Wie Politiker, Geheimdienste und Hochfinanz Deutschlands Massenmedien lenken”) and it seems to be really really good. I don’t have it (yet?) so I don’t know what’s written inside, I can only assume the main point. It’s also said that journalists who publish an article about this book might get fired… When a Dutch journalist called FAZ (where Ulfkotte worked for years) and asked FAZ for a statement concerning the book. But they just don’t give a comment on the book. They just keep quiet collectively. His book must contain too much truth.

Mybe its banned cause its such load of bullshit, not truth. Like for example, quite many russian TV channels, that have been made by the sole reason of propaganda and claim to inpict "truth" are basically banned in the Baltics. Not really cause its so true, its banned, but rather its so insultingly not, that anyone beliving this crap is clearly so easy to manipulate with by eastern bullshit media that he/she could become a potential threat to a certain foreign government for bullshit made-up reasons.

But I digress, I dont know enough about Udo to discredit him, but im just saying, banned status and collective silence about a piece of litterature that claims to tell "the truth" about Western lies, may not be related to the fact that its true, but rather to the fact that its just not. Cause Russia at this point is so desperate to seek dirt on the West, that im quite confident they are throwing huge piles of cash at everyone who have some degree of credibility and are willing to sell themselves out.

[Tovi]

Yet, you somehow belive the words of idiots (and very questionably people/sources) so blindly. You just basically switched one liar for the other liar, cause you are afraid of the shadows and imaging monsters who aren't even there. Its okay not to belive the western media crap, but please dont make hardly believable conclusions in your head and call them facts.

I was the first to mention the civil war coming in Ukraine. And you were one of the first to insult me for that. Maybe my sources are not so stupid. And they are mostly non-russian.

You, and people like Christo or Kujjis, are what we call in french "les chiens de gardes du système" (Guard Dogs of the system). These people are mainstream journalists, the Police, fake experts or just volunteers on internet. One day, someone told you to guard this door at all price, until your death, and you remain loyal to this mission. Even if behind the door there is a butcher slaughtering other dogs, this is not their problem.
 Some are paid, some not. They don't expect much reward, they just love their masters. You know, these people says things like " Global warning is not a real problem", "GMO are good for Humanity", " America is always on the good side of History", "Milosevic/Saddam/Gaddafhi/Putin etc. is the new H.itler", "There is nothing to say about 9.11", "It's a good thing to bomb civilians if there is terrorists among them", and of course, the ultimate argument of ignorants "this is a conspiracy theory !".
They are self confident, very agressive and ignorants. They scare most people who prefer to remain silent. It's like a concentration camp where one thousand people are guarded by 10 dogs. If someone try to escape he's killed by the dogs. But if everybody join together, dogs are useless.
This is why I'm not affraid by the dogs, they can bark or bite I will go behind the doors.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

„Conspiracy theory“… Is that meant to be an insult?

I mean that people rather believe that there is a relatively small group responsible for such events like in Ukraine instead of acknowledging the complexity of it. But actually I don't really think this is an recent development.

However, I don’t see how Putin’s and “his fellow’s” actions make the German population less able to differentiate between the different media… German media mainly are indistinguishable already. If not forced into line…

I meant people can't different between the usual economical driven biased western (german) media and outright lying (falsifying documents, video-montage, etc.) russian media.

By the way, I still got a question you didn’t answer yet.

ok, you asked me why these videos disgust me and made me realize more clearly then before what a complete moron you must be:

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These two videos disgust me, because:

1) Xavier Naidoo is in one of them.

2) Sentences like "I come from gdr, and I can say we lost more than we won" makes me crazy. I mean, have you talked with some victims of Stasis "Zersetzung", been to one of various good exhibitions on the topic or read a book about it? Wait, here comes my favourite about GDR from the video: "The essential is [...] your daughter and son can study anywhere for free" 

3) There are many more statements from different persons that draw wild connections between the financial debt of USA, worldwide wars, gap between the rich and the poor, Putins "multinational language" and much more with no logic or coherence identifiable.

4) The schmaltzy music and pathetic quotes and general cut of the second video, I literally was on the verge of puking watching this one.

5) They both are generally full of lies and falsifications of history and present events and wrong connections between both.

6) Like in general with these so called "neuen Montagdemos" it is completely unclear what they actually want. They seem like a bunch of somehow butthurt and/or depressed people that are somehow unsatisfied with current situation, combined with a handful of professional conspiracy theorists like Ken Jebsen or Andreas Popp that share and utilise the general hatred for USA of these people.

[Vibe]

As I consider myself a 90's generation because I was 20 during the 90's.

tobi pls

[Thomek]

You, and people like Christo or Kujjis, are what we call in french "les chiens de gardes du système" (Guard Dogs of the system).

Haha.. and you Tovi are an idiot who will never change or contribute to making it better. Actually a servant to status quo, because conspiracies are modern fairytales that distract a disturbingly high amount of people, thus dissuading them from actually making a difference. Not to mention all the time spent by others trying to convince you otherwise.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliot-borenstein/why-conspiracy-theories_b_5626149.html

[Falka]

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Putin dead, Ukraine won.

PS. DOn't ban please, it's political event.

[Kafein]

boobs

[Leshma]

Putin tomorrow in Belgrade, can't move an inch outside my house. If you still want him dead, you'll have to find someone else. Preferably with microscopic drone.

[Kafein]

Can't you just go there shirtless with something paint on your boobs?


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I'm quite sure I will regret posting this

[Christo]

Putin tomorrow in Belgrade, can't move an inch outside my house. If you still want him dead, you'll have to find someone else. Preferably with microscopic drone.

Leshme do you want to get in history books? Make country proud )

[Anuran]

I mean that people rather believe that there is a relatively small group responsible for such events like in Ukraine instead of acknowledging the complexity of it.

Isn't that how it is? Isn't there always a small group of people responsible of such things?

ok, you asked me why these videos disgust me and made me realize more clearly then before what a complete moron you must be:

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These two videos disgust me, because:

2) Sentences like "I come from gdr, and I can say we lost more than we won" makes me crazy. I mean, have you talked with some victims of Stasis "Zersetzung", been to one of various good exhibitions on the topic or read a book about it? Wait, here comes my favourite about GDR from the video: "The essential is [...] your daughter and son can study anywhere for free" 

Well, yeah I also disagree with this point. My parents have grown up in East Germany and they can for sure say that they did not go on the streets for a "better socialism". My grandfather got tortured by the Stasi, my father was forced to cut off the West German flag from his jacket (he was held captive by the Stasi until he did it and his father freaked out like 'those bastards' when he heard about this incident). I know how East Germany was. The worst thing was really the Stasi. That woman indeed talked shit. Still, some certain aspects were better in East Germany than today, socially. But it's an open mic so everyone can speak.

3) There are many more statements from different persons that draw wild connections between the financial debt of USA, worldwide wars, gap between the rich and the poor [...] and much more with no logic or coherence identifiable.

If you understand the basics of the economical system we all currently suffer from, you will understand the connections between all this. The higher the debt the more do the people suffer. Look at Greece, the € is killing Greece's economy.

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5) They both are generally full of lies and falsifications of history and present events and wrong connections between both.

I don't think so. What do you mean? That one quotation from Elsässer about Tyahnybok was a bit different, but Elsässer probably just made a slip of the tongue, he knows it since he quoted it several times already.

6) Like in general with these so called "neuen Montagdemos" it is completely unclear what they actually want. They seem like a bunch of somehow butthurt and/or depressed people that are somehow unsatisfied with current situation

In main media these demonstrations are called "Reichsbürger" (Reich citizens)-movements and right-wing extremists full of completely stupid assholes and conspiracy theorists. One speaker once said "you can only understand the media if they write about you", and yep, I agree with this. I don't see why demonstrations for peace are blamed of all this. It's simply not true. Sure, there are strange people (like that woman before) but it's an open mic and everyone can decide whether they agree with a person or not. It's not like either agree with everyone or with noone. They are not just "butthurt". They see what's going on in the world and they worry about their future.

combined with a handful of professional conspiracy theorists like Ken Jebsen or Andreas Popp

Nowadays one is already defamed a conspiracy theorist if he only questions something... Or one is called a moron if he generally supports going on the streets against war and for peace.

that share and utilise the general hatred for USA of these people.

There is no hatred created against the US population. People are getting enlightened and this also contains that the US population as well suffers from for example the economical system. It's going against the decision makers responsible for all the chaos.

[Anuran]

Mybe its banned cause its such load of bullshit, not truth. Like for example, quite many russian TV channels, that have been made by the sole reason of propaganda and claim to inpict "truth" are basically banned in the Baltics. Not really cause its so true, its banned, but rather its so insultingly not, that anyone beliving this crap is clearly so easy to manipulate with by eastern bullshit media that he/she could become a potential threat to a certain foreign government for bullshit made-up reasons.

But I digress, I dont know enough about Udo to discredit him, but im just saying, banned status and collective silence about a piece of litterature that claims to tell "the truth" about Western lies, may not be related to the fact that its true, but rather to the fact that its just not. Cause Russia at this point is so desperate to seek dirt on the West, that im quite confident they are throwing huge piles of cash at everyone who have some degree of credibility and are willing to sell themselves out.

First of all the book is not banned. If it contained bullshit then why don't they say that? Why don't they warn the readers that this book is really not worth reading? If they don't say a word about it they don't want the issue to become public. But since a record of the phone call between the Dutch journalist and the FAZ is existing in the internet, the Streisand effect might occur. FAZ tries to ignore the book, the strategy becomes exposed publicly, so the issue might get even more attention.

[Tovi]

You don't need any external element to make your own judgement. When you read (or hear) bullshit on your media you should make the difference. For exemple, when a plane is destroyed by "multiple impacts" it cannot be a single missile.
When Victoria Nulland says "We've spent 5 billions $ in Ukraine, now we can choose who will lead this country", you can just trust her.
When Assad is supposed to be so evil and stupid that he uses chemical weapons JUST when UNO inspectors are in the area...
I mean, a conspiracy is supposed to be secret, not telling bullshit and hoping people are dumb enough to believe it.

[Rhekimos]

For exemple, when a plane is destroyed by "multiple impacts" it cannot be a single missile.

Actually many missiles blow up and send shrapnel to shred the target. Like a flying shotgun of doom.

This is especially true of anti-air missiles. And the Russian Buk/SA-11 missile is shrapnel based.

Multiple impacts checks out.