WPP Sum and Cost Formula Rework(Includes WM)

[pepejul]

I already asked this in other thread but this one seems to be better for me :

With my  build :

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What will change ? Must I change something before being lvl 33 ?

thanks for help ! (I m poor brainless french)

[Life]

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I already asked this in other thread but this one seems to be better for me :

With my  build :

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What will change ? Must I change something before being lvl 33 ?

thanks for help ! (I m poor brainless french)

Nice "leet" kills

[Templar_Steevee]

Give this patch and let ppl whine on other threads ^^

[pepejul]

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Nice "leet" kills

erh ? Can you translate for me ? (joke about my poor K/D ?  )

[Testicleez]

erh ? Can you translate for me ? (joke about my poor K/D ?  )

1337 = LEET

[Tzar]

Alright, this has probably been asked about more than anything else, so here are some examples of what some wpf splits could look like.

8 WM with 24 Agility could give you 184 WPF in one type or...
170/73
167/84
135/135
135/94/94

5 WM with 15 Agility could give you 139 wpf in one type or...
110/81
120/62
97/97

Sooo... hybrids are fucked then??

I currently have 6 wm 139 1h and 90 throwing after this patch it looks like im fucked....

Well fuckit... dun have time to play anyways, so no more respeccing adventures for me... fighten lvl 35 steamrollers get tiring.. putting mah stuff in the armory and ima take a leave ciao every1

[StonedSteel]

Sooo... hybrids are fucked then??

I have 6 wm 139 1h and 90 throwing after this patch im fucked....

Well fuckit... dun have time to play anyways, so putting mah stuff in the armory and ima take a leave ciao every1

in the end...the str will all stay while all the unique hybrids leave...lol

well played

[Dooz]

i'm sure it's been discussed for 17 pages, but fuck that

how much am i boned?

18/21, 7wm, 140 2h, 115 pole

[Wrangham]

Tydeus explains why hybridization is too easy:

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Compare these two:

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
    Strength: 18
    Agility: 21
    Skills to attributes: 8
    Ironflesh: 3
    Power Strike: 6
    Athletics: 7
    Weapon Master: 7
    Polearm: 165

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
    Strength: 18
    Agility: 24
    Skills to attributes: 14
    Power Strike: 6
    Athletics: 8
    Weapon Master: 3
    Polearm: 133

The 32 wpf advantage that the lower conversion build has actually amounts to 7% damage with polearms in this scenario. It's not simply a matter of skill placement either, you could max WM instead of athletics, but you would arguably be sacrificing even more. Whenever you convert more than two skill points, you sacrifice a fair bit of utility/effectiveness, but a high point conversion build is in essence, the most extreme case of specialization. This is essentially why I am hesitant in saying that specialization is being properly rewarded.

With the previous statement in mind, I find it even more difficult to argue that hybridization has any reasonable sort of difficulty to it, compared to the sacrifices you have to make. Even in the case of Archery, you merely sacrifice 10-20 wpf in your main weapon for 80-100 wpf in an alternate weapon type. As most people say PS is a requirement as well, the only sacrifice an archer makes to get PS, is that of either 1 PD or 1 athletics and 1 WM(remember how skill point conversions work). Is this really difficult? Is this really that much of a sacrifice? The only place where I find an argument worth considering, is the case of archery and even then, it's only due to the recent weight increases.

Every time I see Tydeus on NA1 he is using a different weapon. He probably understand items' relative power better than any other player, most of whom do 19 generations with their +3 Longsword and are suddenly experts in everything cRPG. You may not agree with Tydeus but his well-reasoned conclusions deserve your respect. Imagine if other community leaders exhibited this kind of initiative and effort: a fun map rotation, better game modes/not-broken-siege, Canary's wild west admins removed from office, a marketplace that makes sense; the possibilities are endless.

So stop posting whiny responses about how you are quitting or asking Tydeus to interpret the graph the rest of us learned to read in kindergarten. I proclaim this the year of Tydeus.

[Eugen]

Please keep it simple:

What will be changed:

Old way:

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Weapon Master Level:   
00   01   02   03   04   05   06   007   008   009   010

WPF Points Given:       
30   40   50   60   70   80   90   100   110   120   130


WPP = Weapon Proficiency Points
WPF = Weapon Proficiency

You start with 30 WPP at character level 1.
Each character level after that gives 4 + (new character level/5) WPP, rounded up.
Each level of Weapon Master gives (10*new WM level) + 20 WPP.

2-50 = 1 WPP/point
51-71 = 2 WPP/point
72-87 = 3 WPP/point
88-100 = 4 WPP/point
101-112 = 5 WPP/point
113-123 = 6 WPP/point
124-133 = 7 WPP/point
134-142 = 8 WPP/point
143-150 = 9 WPP/point
151-159 = 10 WPP/point
160-166 = 11 WPP/point
167-174 = 12 WPP/point
175-181 = 13 WPP/point
182-188 = 14 WPP/point
189-194 = 15 WPP/point
195-200 = 16 WPP/point
201-207 = 17 WPP/point
208-213 = 18 WPP/point
214-??? = 19 WPP/point

It can be assumed that the number of WPF in each section is reduced by one for every higher tier of WPP, so you can easily plan out higher WPFs numbers if needed.

Below is a chart detailing the total cumulative WPP cost for each tier. Credit to Mouse for his awesome idea.

WPF 50 / 49 WPP
WPF 71 / 91 WPP
WPF 87 / 139 WPP
WPF 100 / 191 WPP
WPF 112 / 251 WPP
WPF 123 / 317 WPP
WPF 133 / 387 WPP
WPF 142 / 459 WPP
WPF 150 / 531 WPP
WPF 159 / 621 WPP
WPF 166 / 698 WPP
WPF 174 / 794 WPP
WPF 181 / 885 WPP
WPF 188 / 983 WPP
WPF 194 / 1073 WPP
WPF 200 / 1169 WPP
WPF 207 / 1288 WPP
WPF 213 / 1396 WPP


Power Throwing: 13 WPF x PT = Requirement

Power Draw: 14 WPF x PD = Requirement

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Required Throwing Proficiency for an Effective Power Throw Level = 13 * Desired Effective Power Throw Level + Throwing Armor Weight

where

Throwing Armor Weight = head armor weight * 6 + torso armor weight * 2 + leg armor weight * 2 + hand armor weight * 8 - 10

Another way to present similar information would be:

Maximum Effective Power Throw Level = TRUNCATE[(Throwing Proficiency -  Throwing Armor Weight) / 13]

what will be the new way. Give me a list like this -spoiler- above.

or i will just ignore this shit and play as if nothing happened and if it turns out bad, i wait for battlegrounds or bannerlord.

[Grumbs]

Sooo... hybrids are fucked then??

I currently have 6 wm 139 1h and 90 throwing after this patch it looks like im fucked....

Well fuckit... dun have time to play anyways, so no more respeccing adventures for me... fighten lvl 35 steamrollers get tiring.. putting mah stuff in the armory and ima take a leave ciao every1

How about waiting and seeing how it actually affects you when the patch hits? You might lose some WPF but it wont be too much. Tydeus mentioned they are changing the throwing WPF requirement too, so you might not even need that much throwing

Not saying I think throwing needs any buffs though, its very strong already, making it easier to take is probably not such a good idea

[Leshma]

Tydeus is playing a good cop here, bad cop is staying silent (Paul, who else). I think that whole idea to this patch is to force players to retire and change their builds. Because of strategus, everyone is high level and in strategus everyone wears plate which means that massive strat battle lasts longer and gives insane amount of XP. With more agi oriented builds, we'll have less plate in strat and battle will last shorted therefore giving less XP.

[Clockworkkiller]

lets all just shoot ourselves and start a mass exodus to NW, where we all form a NW regiment called the remnants_of_crpg_my old friends or RoCF for short, we can have our own server (1 server, NA+Eu, togther) where everyones an admin and the build points are set to unlimited so we can all spam engineer builds and TNT. we can participate in clan Linebattles (as an alternative to strat) but instead of forming a line, we would all just not listen to whoever is in charge on TS and do our own thing instead, we would be the top shit clan and would ban anyone on our server we dont like or has a bigger e-penis than ours

[bilwit]

It's funny how people moan about "more agi whores." If anything we'll see more balanced builds.. unless you're a STR crutcher who considers 18/18 agi whoring

Sucks that high level players get boned out of the extra WPF though.

[HUtH]

Well, that rework is not that bad(I don't like these str maul builds ) but I don't like this, that it will hit a bit damage of yet normal str builds(3 to 5 wm) but agi builds seems to be buffed to much(that jump from ~175 to 200 wpf + more dmg WOW). The thing I don't like the most is nerfing balanced hybrids, that's just wrong. WRONG.
Need to rethink my builds...