Two-directional polearms are a fucking joke

[DaveUKR]

Damage defines the ability of instastab. Damage+PS+WPF+Speedbonus+Strength+hold+hitbox define how close your opponent can be to you for making a successful stab. Tweaking damage should work fine, no need to mess with animations unless you can really fix them instead of making even more broken.

[Teeth]

Okay, make two directional polearms do 20 pierce damage. Instastab fixed, a job well done.

[oohillac]

Okay, make two directional polearms do 20 pierce damage. Instastab fixed, a job well done.

Or just stop fucking around with something that is currently completely fine.

If you think they are OP fighting with them, go make an epeen thread.

If you think they are OP fighting against them, try downblocking, it works wonders.

[Chasey]

I think he was being sarcastic oohiliac

[Teeth]

Or just stop fucking around with something that is currently completely fine.

If you think they are OP fighting with them, go make an epeen thread.

If you think they are OP fighting against them, try downblocking, it works wonders.

I was being sarcastic as DaveUKR proposed lowering pierce damage as a fix for instastabs, which would probably require quite low pierce damage because I have instastabbed with a lot of weapons.

I love two-directional weapons, but I would like them to be at least somewhat balanced so I don't feel like a complete scrub for using them. I like a challenge, it is why I stopped playing hoplite, longspear and two-directionals and got a pike. They are not completely fine, they are stupidly easy. The fact that you tell people to downblock to counter their arguments about the weapon you use probably means you are a bad crutching scrub and you just want your easy mode to stay easy mode.

[Falka]

If you think they are OP fighting with them, go make an epeen thread.

He doesnt need one, everyone who plays on EU1 know how long is Teeths epeen... 

If you think they are OP fighting against them, try downblocking, it works wonders.

You are a retard my friend.

[Gurnisson]

They're still not as good as long spear or ashwood pike + shield. At least there's a reason to pick one now, unlike before.

[Joseph Porta]

Wouldnt this be historicly accurate though, stabbing weps beingbvery effective? Aside from being fucking retarded

[Teeth]

They're still not as good as long spear or ashwood pike + shield. At least there's a reason to pick one now, unlike before.

In the hands of the average player, I would disagree. Killing speed in group fights and ease of fighting people up close is much higher with two directionals. Although with the current level of ranged one could argue that any class with a shield trumps any melee class without one.

[Ulter]

Wouldnt this be historicly accurate though, stabbing weps beingbvery effective? Aside from being fucking retarded

My friend, historical accuracy is very very low on c-rpg priority list.

[DaveUKR]

I was being sarcastic as DaveUKR proposed lowering pierce damage as a fix for instastabs, which would probably require quite low pierce damage because I have instastabbed with a lot of weapons.

I love two-directional weapons, but I would like them to be at least somewhat balanced so I don't feel like a complete scrub for using them. I like a challenge, it is why I stopped playing hoplite, longspear and two-directionals and got a pike. They are not completely fine, they are stupidly easy. The fact that you tell people to downblock to counter their arguments about the weapon you use probably means you are a bad crutching scrub and you just want your easy mode to stay easy mode.

I didn't propose to lower damage, it's just the only solution of instastab besides fixing animation. And as you've might noticed - nobody in crpg dev team has skills in fixing animations because you either have to be talented or have a mo-cap equipment.

What I would personally do is get the polestun back for those weapons and lower damage/speed a bit so they work more like a supportive weapon. I don't like nerfs, I'm sure that if you nerf something - you have to give something instead.

[Grumbs]

I think what Teeth is noticing really is that they are easier to use than his standard stabbing weapon, the Long Spear. Which might be true but doesn't make them OP. Long Spear still has its own advantages and not everything has to be as difficult to use as that.

If you think 2D poles are OP then try hoplite, 1 hand stabbing, 2 hand, xbows etc. They can't really do much without making 2D poles obsolete again, they have to have something going for them to justify only being 2 directions or not having a shield.

[Tibe]

You know the more I play the less 2h lolstabs acctually bother me. Shit has really hit the fan lately. The 2d poles are probably the bane of my exsistance in this whole mod. Id take getting run over by an entire cavalrychargestampede or a arrowstorm straight in my face for multible rounds straight than have even a single fight with someone who uses a 2d pole. Its just frustrating as hell. I mean fighting lolstabbers and OP 1h stabbers is hard yes, but not so frustrating. Fighting a 2d poleplayer, is something that makes me call instant bullshit, even when I come out winning.

Fix the 1h stab back to the old one, nerf awlpike and leave the 2h lolstab if you really must. I hate the 1h stab. Im playin 1h and its too damn useful and easy to execute.

[CrazyCracka420]

Teeth your mom thought my 2D pole was OP, so you may be on to something.

Why hasn't this thread been nerfed to the Chamber of Tears?

[Kafein]

Why hasn't this thread been nerfed to the Chamber of Tears?

Because it doesn't suit your status quo rethoric