Crossbow heirlooming.

[Radix]

Its clear to me that u guys never played dedicated xbowman. It is not that easy, for first u need great awareness of the surroundings, a lot of planing before u do anything and wise choice of cover. Yeah 100 dmg is huge, in fact it is in most cases one shot wepon BUT 6 heirlooms is not that easy to have AND for this 1 shot ability u get sloooooooow reload, dunno what u think but in 5 minutes round u fire like 10 bolts which is not only boring but not THAT effective inlcuding the miss chance. On the long distances u will always lose with archers what ususally forces u to go shotguning where u lose to throwers, and shotguning is only a oneshoot thing unless u want to go for cover after every shoot. Xbowing is not easy, Xbowing is not OP and sometimes is ass boring.

However the light xbow should take 2 slots.

[Rebelyell]

i played.... its how to say that..... 1 hit all around

[MadJackMcMad]

i played.... its how to say that..... 1 hit all around

I smell shite.

The other day I point blank hit someone in the upper chest who was wearing a Leather Jacket.  15 armour vs 89p.  He lived.

The simplest solution to this is to remove the slot restrictions and instead restrict crossbow usage based on proficiency.  For example, to pick up and use an arbalest, you would require at minimum 140.  There goes your dreaded hybrids and your dedicated crossbowmen can be historically accurate crossbowmen again.

[Rebelyell]

no i know the true.....

xbow(arbalest) is ultimate sniper weapon

i am able to hit archer from 100 meters and kill him.

YES IA FUCKIN XBOWMAN and i have to say the the nerf all around.... and bufed xbows again
i like to play as a xbowman that should be powerfull but....
i have cav char and shielder and HA and thrower.

i and see then something is wrong...

I want balance for xbows!
skills higer req ect.

BALANCE

[MadJackMcMad]

i am able to hit archer from 100 meters and kill him.

So can I, although, he will have to be on 5% health, and the bolt will only have a 1 in 4 chance of hitting him (based on the reticle of 161 prof).  You seem to be equipped with some sort of mythic crossbow that embodies all the exaggerated assumptions of it's effectiveness.

[Rebelyell]

So can I, although, he will have to be on 5% health.  You seem to be equipped with some sort of mythic crossbow that embodies all the exaggerated assumptions of it's effectiveness.

yes mw one

and yes 5 gen char and yes
balanc for xbows

[MadJackMcMad]

You are suffering from a grand case of selective cognition.  You do not kill everyone in one shot.

[Radix]

am able to hit archer from 100 meters and kill him.

If u have shit load of time and hes not moving u forgot to add...... The truth is that even tho xbow is very accurate u cant 'chase' the trajectory of ur bolt so u cant bring in any corections into ur aiming.

[Phew]

A non-heirloomed Arbalest with non-heirloomed steel bolts does an average of 48 damage to someone with 38 armor (i.e. lamellar vest+leather gloves, typical archer loadout). Use 6 heirlooms on the Arbalest+bolts, and that goes up to 58 dmg. A typical 8 PD archer build has 59 Hit Points at lvl 30, not even including Ironflesh.

6 heirlooms, and you still have less than a 50% chance to 1-shot an ARCHER with the slowest weapon in the game.

Crossbows are fine.

[Rebelyell]

i see xbowmen voice here now....

i am off

You all still don't understand... read my posts again and repost.

BALANC i want that for xbows!!!!!!!!

and nOO they are not balanced.

[Keshian]

A non-heirloomed Arbalest with non-heirloomed steel bolts does an average of 48 damage to someone with 38 armor (i.e. lamellar vest+leather gloves, typical archer loadout). Use 6 heirlooms on the Arbalest+bolts, and that goes up to 58 dmg. A typical 8 PD archer build has 59 Hit Points at lvl 30, not even including Ironflesh.

6 heirlooms, and you still have less than a 50% chance to 1-shot an ARCHER with the slowest weapon in the game.

Crossbows are fine.

A typical archer has 5-6 powerdraw (most common not the average) and most commonly use 4.5 weight armor not the 9.5 weight armor you describe, so yes should be 1-shotted 50% of the time or more.

Crossbows are fine though don't know why anyone wouldn't just triple heirloom normal xbow instead of sniper now.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Light is the way to go now, fast and usable on horseback. Also pretty accurate. Just not as good at long range (lacks that speed and trajectory that made the MW Sniper soooo nice).

[Siiem]

Agreed with the fact that heirlooming crossbows has more sense now than any other stuff.

Crossbows don't have any PD or PS bonus, therefore they need a bigger base damage buff.

[Phew]

A typical archer has 5-6 powerdraw (most common not the average) and most commonly use 4.5 weight armor not the 9.5 weight armor you describe, so yes should be 1-shotted 50% of the time or more.

Crossbows are fine though don't know why anyone wouldn't just triple heirloom normal xbow instead of sniper now.

OK, I never played an archer so I was guessing on the PD. At least on NA siege, black lamellar vest is the predominant archer gear, followed by light strange. You're right on the regular x-bow though; kills most people in 2 shots (just like the arbalest), while being cheaper, faster, and using only 1 slot.

[EponiCo]

I smell shite.

The other day I point blank hit someone in the upper chest who was wearing a Leather Jacket.  15 armour vs 89p.  He lived.

The simplest solution to this is to remove the slot restrictions and instead restrict crossbow usage based on proficiency.  For example, to pick up and use an arbalest, you would require at minimum 140.  There goes your dreaded hybrids and your dedicated crossbowmen can be historically accurate crossbowmen again.

Arbalest needs 15 str, Longbow needs 18 str and 6 PD, yet with these stats longbow damage is lower, reload is only a wee bit faster (I might be off on that, correct me if I'm wrong). How does that go with historical accuracy where trained longbowmen were able to shoot 5 arrows where trained crossbowmen fired only one? Why are all other bows cut and all crossbows pierce?
And, yeah, no matter how awesome he looks a pavise crossbowman is dreadful to play against because even if he has 1 wpf in 1h, he can just turtle up with 8 shield skill until someone else shoots you (and then swing his steelpick just as you have to turn around and deal with that other crossbowman). Heck, I'd take sniper crossbow all wpf in 2h over that any day. I think having them take weaker crossbows is a fair trade off.