To our fellow muricans

[Rumblood]

That is just utter bullshit. Guess that's the kind of answers one gets when discussing things with people from a country where teacher start their working day with the gun handout...
Not even gonna try to argue with you about this. I decided I just gonna ignore you.

Shit, you're just mad and ignore the facts. I could detail exactly how you are wrong, but you wouldn't read it or ignore it, so I won't bother. The world is how it is, not how you want it to be, and closing your eyes to how things work won't make your demons go away. It will just make you more frustrated because you simply don't understand what is happening to you and your world. Nobody said that we LIKE war driving so much innovation, but you don't even like someone stating the truth.

[Rumblood]

Just to note on this, idk how one could have any harm done to them by a taser, i have been trained with it, shot people with it, and have myself been shot with it.  There is no harm that can be caused by it, anything you hear about it is little more then civilian propaganda for its removal since it seems nearly unethical in use.  The taser causes no harm to a persons heart or brain whatsoever.  The only harm that could be caused  is done by you falling the hell over, which happens id say 9/10 times.

And yes quikclot is great, though expensive at nearly $50 a packet law enforcement and emergency services around the country use quikclot and other products that are similar on the public which most people do not know.

On another note,
im glad we could deepen the void between EU and NA, this was a great discussion.

Sorry, there are FAR too many cases of death by taser in my hometown alone for me to agree with you. Could it be a result of underlying conditions? Sure. But people die from taser assaults and that's a fact. When you were getting tased, did you get hit for 4-5 times in excess of 45-90 seconds each? Then you haven't been "tested" and I don't think you want to be.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Reading what most NA`s have to say regarding the Syria matter, makes me wish more and more for a US failure.

Muricans really believe that they live at the greatest nation of the whole world..I guess too much McDonalds and too many Pay per views had their toll.

Have fun at being the muppets of the jews, once again.

Reading what you have to say regarding anything, makes me wish for the good old days when the Ottomans kept Greeks in line.

[Zomg]

Just to note on this, idk how one could have any harm done to them by a taser, i have been trained with it, shot people with it, and have myself been shot with it.  There is no harm that can be caused by it, anything you hear about it is little more then civilian propaganda for its removal since it seems nearly unethical in use.  The taser causes no harm to a persons heart or brain whatsoever.  The only harm that could be caused  is done by you falling the hell over, which happens id say 9/10 times.

And yes quikclot is great, though expensive at nearly $50 a packet law enforcement and emergency services around the country use quikclot and other products that are similar on the public which most people do not know.

On another note,
im glad we could deepen the void between EU and NA, this was a great discussion.

I honestly do support the use and ownership of the taser, as long as it is for removing a physical danger. It is effective, efficient and not costly. However, it may cause cardiac dysrhythmia. It is not common and most of the cases, those who had such heart attacks had heart conditions, known or unknown to the person who got shot at. However, I would rather see criminals get shot at with a taser pin or a stun-gun, then a 9mm Hollow Point bullet. I will redirect you to the Wiki Page, which has citations for you to double-check, if you wish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues

It can still kill you. But most of the times, it won't. And that is good enough, until they find something better.

And yes. QuikClot. Most of the times, GSWs cause internal bleeding. Bleeding that you have no way to stop. You can bandage lacerations. You can bandage blunt traumas that causes bleeding. But GSWs. No way. Not traditionally. But by pushing the damn QuikClot Gauze inside the wound; bam, the bleeding stops instantly. Applying it may be gross for many, as you need to push it inside an open wound, but man, if it saves him...

I stand my grounds. Yes, military / war industry creates so much that, what we use now directly or indirectly connected to its military use. However, if the Governments were sane (and not dependent on corporations) enough, we could also achieve the same thing, by investing R&Ds that are not related to arms manufacturing.

[Rumblood]

I stand my grounds. Yes, military / war industry creates so much that, what we use now directly or indirectly connected to its military use. However, if the Governments were sane (and not dependent on corporations) enough, we could also achieve the same thing, by investing R&Ds that are not related to arms manufacturing.

Yes, a great source of frustration for me. Governments are really only useful for large projects like the Interstate system or the Apollo project. Only unless there is some visionary in the White House (rarely), or an external threat (war), it usually doesn't happen. Or when it does, it gets killed later by lack of vision. The Large Hadron Collider at CERN is awesome at 14 TeV of energy, but one in Texas that would have produced 20 TeV was canceled back in the 80's after boring 14 miles of tunnel that is still there. Don't even get me started on the fact that we need to hitch a ride to the ISS (which is what they killed the collider in favor of). I'm pissed at Bush for his failure there when coming from Texas he should have been the President to PUSH the space agency even further, not driving us backwards. Ceding the moon to other countries, which actually has a valuable energy resource there that could destroy big oil forever, in favor of a grander scheme mission to Mars is another sore point I ahve with Obama. Yes, sometimes you have to look long range, but skipping steps in between can be more costly than not looking to the distant future. We need to establish a self-sustaining colony for mining Helium 3 where it is close enough to support if anything goes wrong, and not so far that we can only watch them die. We need that source of energy for supporting future long term colonies on other celestial bodies and the best place to start that is the Moon.
And yes, we don't need a war for all that to happen, until someone sells the idea that letting China get it first would be a colossal security issue.

[Zomg]

Yes, a great source of frustration for me. Governments are really only useful for large projects like the Interstate system or the Apollo project. Only unless there is some visionary in the White House (rarely), or an external threat (war), it usually doesn't happen. Or when it does, it gets killed later by lack of vision. The Large Hadron Collider at CERN is awesome at 14 TeV of energy, but one in Texas that would have produced 20 TeV was canceled back in the 80's after boring 14 miles of tunnel that is still there. Don't even get me started on the fact that we need to hitch a ride to the ISS (which is what they killed the collider in favor of). I'm pissed at Bush for his failure there when coming from Texas he should have been the President to PUSH the space agency even further, not driving us backwards. Ceding the moon to other countries, which actually has a valuable energy resource there that could destroy big oil forever, in favor of a grander scheme mission to Mars is another sore point I ahve with Obama. Yes, sometimes you have to look long range, but skipping steps in between can be more costly than not looking to the distant future. We need to establish a self-sustaining colony for mining Helium 3 where it is close enough to support if anything goes wrong, and not so far that we can only watch them die. We need that source of energy for supporting future long term colonies on other celestial bodies and the best place to start that is the Moon. And yes, we don't need a war for all that to happen, until someone sells the idea that letting China get it first would be a colossal security issue.

I have nothing else to add, to that. Funny thing is; what United States does, it does to be better than China and Russia. From its Space Program to Manhattan Project. And perhaps we need a politician that would say; "If we don't have clean energy before Russians, we will be doomed.".

Perhaps one day. Though it saddens me to say that that day may (or to be more blunt, will) never come.

[Molly]

USA did it better? German Rocket technology. German/Austrian nuclear science... yea, GO USA!

[Lemmy_Winks]

Given the immense suffering the Syrian people are experiencing, suffering that is 10 times greater than anyone in the US will ever know, and given how easy it would be for us to turn the tide in their favor by simply firing some missiles safely from a ship, I can see no reason why we wouldn't help and the only reason we haven't already is because the administration doesn't want to look like war mongerers after having recently helped the people in Libya.

[zagibu]

But if it's not a TV, it's a book.  Or gossiping with the neighbors.  Or running around chasing a ball outside.  Or watching your kids and hanging out with family.

I think the problem isn't the TV, I think the "problem" is that we're so successful, there's no need for people to stay up to date on what's happening in their own country or the rest of the world.  People are either too lazy or too exhausted at the end of the day, to give up their own free time, in order to stay informed about the world around them.  And those of us who are paying attention, have no ability to inflict real change on the system.  Corporations and people in power, want to maintain that power and the status quo no matter what the costs. 

Just talking about current events (not even talking science or other intellectual pursuits) is something a lot of modern civilization thinks is boring or not relevant.  Which is sad indeed.  But you reap what you sow (collectively) so we all get the grab our ankles at the whims of our overlords.  If we want war or not, is irrelevant to the outcome.

Well, you know, people in other countries read the newspaper and watch the daily news, and they get informed, because in those countries, not all media is run by big corporations aiming for total control over their consumers. The real problem in USA is that you glorify business. Every last pizza baker thinks he's a god damn businessman. And this glorification of greed made it possible that huge conglomerates formed with the power to dominate politics and more or less take direct influence on the daily life of the population. You are all so fucking focused on your right to bear arms that you don't notice that weapons don't help you if you have nothing left to defend. Who are you going to shoot? Your neighbours? Yourself?

[Rumblood]

USA did it better? German Rocket technology. German/Austrian nuclear science... yea, GO USA!

He said Russia and China. When was Germany a part of Russian or China again? Oh right, never. Quit trying to be an asshole.

[Clockworkkiller]

i forsee the future of this thread, it is dark and filled with evil hate

we must head north! to the safety of the northen kingdoms!

[Zomg]

USA did it better? German Rocket technology. German/Austrian nuclear science... yea, GO USA!

Just to clarify;

[...] what United States does, it does to be better than China and Russia.

better than

(fixed the typo in the original post, however I don't think anyone mistaken than with then)

You can add to that list the Germany. France. UK. Indonesia. Iran. Syria. Not claiming nor stating that the United States is superior or not; but merely saying, United States does what he does to be better than other countries. Not for anything else.

[Casimir]

lol

[Christo]

This is more like it.

[pingpong]

Just to clarify;

[...] what United States does, it does to be better than China and Russia.

better than

(fixed the typo in the original post, however I don't think anyone mistaken than with then)

You can add to that list the Germany. France. UK. Indonesia. Iran. Syria. Not claiming nor stating that the United States is superior or not; but merely saying, United States does what he does to be better than other countries. Not for anything else.

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