To our fellow muricans

[Havoco]

I give this thread 3/10. It did t make me rage quit yet.

[Christo]

I give this thread 3/10. It did t make me rage quit yet.

Wasn't the point

[Sir_Hans]

Assad and Obama should fisticuffs to the death.

Either way... America wins. (at least until we get another puppet in office.) 

So why is discussion like this so repressed.

It is so good to see other peoples views on such an interesting issue.

Agree, even if half the people (myself included) in the thread aren't being completely serious with what they say.

[Rumblood]

War drives innovation, peace makes stagnation. We don't want stagnation!

[Molly]

War drives innovation, peace makes stagnation. We don't want stagnation!

Not true. Most scientific progress was done during times of peace. Most scientific progress was abused for military use.

[Xant]

Not true. Most scientific progress was done during times of peace. Most scientific progress was used for military use.

FTFY.

[Paul]

Symmetric conflicts push innovation. Asymmetric not so much, maybe apart from drone tech. I, for one, don't miss a real war in my life.

[Zomg]

War drives innovation, peace makes stagnation. We don't want stagnation!

Perhaps that was true once. Not anymore though. The only innovation that war drives is the weapon industry.

[AntiBlitz]

yes because unmanned aircraft, non-lethal weapons, better satellite coverage, anti-nuclear missile defense systems, body armor, life saving intervention equipment, GPS, and many other things that come of war innovation are such a detriment to our society and only fuel the weapons industry........Woah is me, fuck war is such a bad thing, dont forget better weapons protect you from people willing to do bad things with shittier weapons.

[Molly]

yes because unmanned aircraft, non-lethal weapons, better satellite coverage, anti-nuclear missile defense systems, body armor, life saving intervention equipment, GPS, and many other things that come of war innovation are such a detriment to our society and only fuel the weapons industry........Woah is me, fuck war is such a bad thing, dont forget better weapons protect you from people willing to do bad things with shittier weapons.

There is so much redneck in this, ain't even funny, it is that stupid.

[Zomg]

yes because unmanned aircraft, non-lethal weapons, better satellite coverage, anti-nuclear missile defense systems, body armor, life saving intervention equipment, GPS, and many other things that come of war innovation are such a detriment to our society and only fuel the weapons industry........Woah is me, fuck war is such a bad thing, dont forget better weapons protect you from people willing to do bad things with shittier weapons.

Firstly; there is no non-lethal weapons. It is called less-then-lethal; as tasers and bean-bang shotguns does cause lethal damage, even if the user is a trained professional. Taking into account that the need of anti-nuclear missile defense systems is due to Manhattan Project and the first body-armor prototypes being designed for small-arms, which, is a weapon of lethal means; saying the War actually helped the man-kind in our short to middle term past, is just stupendously funny.

Yes, you can keep arming and militarizing yourself. Have nukes, small-arms, APCs and Tanks, fighter jets and et cetera. Sure, why not? Because that worked during Cold War. Oh wait. It didn't. (And whoever is to call that the Cold War ended, Soviets dissolved, please, don't, as it had nothing to do with militarizing) But sure. We should have an another Cold War where if one side fucks up this time, we may have an awesome CoD/BF/ArmA experience.

Perhaps someone should teach me to quickscope before that happens.

[Panos_]

yes because unmanned aircraft, non-lethal weapons, better satellite coverage, anti-nuclear missile defense systems, body armor, life saving intervention equipment, GPS, and many other things that come of war innovation are such a detriment to our society and only fuel the weapons industry........Woah is me, fuck war is such a bad thing, dont forget better weapons protect you from people willing to do bad things with shittier weapons.

And this is why, we can`t have nice things in the world.

Now go breed some bastards with your sister please.

[CrazyCracka420]

As an American I feel we need to start getting out of policing the world.  We can't even police our own fucking country, so trying to police the world is not going to work.  Obviously we have special interests and only try to police those areas of the world.  We don't try to stop all the genocide and in-fighting that countries have, only when our corporate interests are affected do we step in (which is a big problem).

We need to stop spending military aid on other countries (which totals into the billions) and we need to stay out of Syria.  We aren't going to overthrow Assad, and we're just going to create more enemies with people across the world. 

We have so many problems at home that we need to address, but we'll continue spending money and using troops and our military to protect the wealthiest corporate interests.

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The person in the chair shouldn't be a civilian though, they should be our politicians/military leaders calling for bombing Syria.  Most American's have no idea what's going on in Syria.  Our media are selling a product, and people have showed with their money, they want to be entertained, not informed when they watch the news or go online.  So we are insulated and coddled in this country, with most Americans having no clue what's happening in their own cities, let alone in the next state.  So how do you expect them to know what's happening in the middle east?

I think that's a big problem here in this country, is that people are so "well off" that they feel they can tune out to politics and current events.  They don't see any real pressing need to get better politicians in our government.  They feel no real need to know what's happening in Egypt or Syria because it's not going to personally affect them.  I think that's a by product of being so "well off" that people don't even know what's going on in their own cities or states, let alone half-way across the world.  And that ignorance results in the politicians and corporations being able to essentially do whatever they want to consolidate their power and protect their interests.

[Zomg]

As an American [...]

And at the end, American Tax Payers money will be paid for what is not effecting the Tax Payers. Though I firmly believe that Assad is not stupid enough to use chemical weapons in a war that he is already winning, while having United Nations investigators in his country; and adding to that equation of FSA is not actually Syrian, nor Free; I still do not support oppressing regimes.

However, that should be a matter of the people who lives in such regimes. It is not the business of Turkey, western countries or United States to intervene. It may be bad to see people die, but deal with it.

[CrazyCracka420]

You're re-iterating what I'm essentially saying:  We need to stop spending tax payer money on things that aren't beneficial to the tax payer (stop spending so much money on our military, and stop giving money and military aid to other countries, spend that money on our own people, such as infrastructure, single payer healthcare, etc). 

And we need to stay out of other countriy's matters.  Yes people dying in Syria sucks, but we have people dying in our own country as well.  Protecting civilians in Syria does nothing to better our country, or American's lives.  And that's ultimately who we need to be looking out for.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iran-not-syria-is-the-wests-real-target-8789506.html

That is a great article someone linked in this thread, and really the whole Syria situation is like a mini-cold war we're trying to have with Iran.  We're trying to stop the "militant Muslim" mantra from being spread around the world, much like we tried with Communism from the 40s to the 80s.  It's a fucking terrible idea, and will cost us a lot of money and lives (and global support) if we continue down this path.  It didn't work in the cold war (look at Korea or Vietnam), and it won't work in this new "cold war".