To our fellow muricans

[Nehvar]

Every time we step into a middle-east conflict we just end up stirring the hornets nest more at the cost of our financial standing and the lives of American soldiers and Muslim civilians.  My personal belief is that we should just pull out of the region entirely, Israel included, and take a "let it sort itself out" stance.  While we do currently have one of the largest and best funded militaries, as Crisco was so keen to point out, that does not in any way mean that we have to be the world police. 

I am perfectly fine with letting the European countries deal with the middle-east, the chronically inflamed anus of the world, on their own.  It is pretty much in their backyard after all.  They're the ones who will feel the effects of something going terribly wrong first so they should have the most interest in a favorable outcome.  #notourproblem

If we do manage to successfully detach ourselves from the middle-east it could be a huge boon for our economy.  We could redirect the money being blown on these fiascos towards rebuilding our crumbling national infrastructure and, perhaps, stop de-funding our school systems like short-sighted imbeciles.  Also, we could maybe feel a little better about ourselves when our drones and poorly trained soldiers cease killing innocent civilians every other day.

[AntiBlitz]

and who the fuck made the USA  police of the world??

Who the fuck are you, to invade a country, anytime when something that you people don`t like happens??

I really hope Asad kicks some American asses, just because I despise that kind of attitude.

Panos your blinded by your own hatred, its pretty simple really.  When people are being slaughtered, normally people do not like these actions and want something done about it.  All of Europe has the same views on whats occurring and yet your only anger is thrust towards the U.S.  Everyone has a vested interest in the countries surrounding them, even Greece.

Like i said before, enlighten me on the day that you see another country mobilize their military with the same force because up until now, it still hasnt happened.  Anybody who doesnt see violence as a necessary force to end conflicts is blind, thats why police carry firearms, batons, tasers, pepper spray, etc etc, even if these are used in their own defense they must also use these same tools offensively to take control of situations which may not include the opposition carrying the same force.

BTW Asad wont be kicking any asses because our missiles dont have asses and he cant shoot them down.

[Banok]

well I only read a little bit about the conflict but I see some big misconceptions in this thread, syria doesn't actually produce very much crude oil at all. if "gas" prices go up its simply because of the location of syria and fear/speculation the conflict could spread to countries which are big crude oil producers.

so people playing the "doing it for oil" card are simply uninformed.

for me its not a question of should other countries try and help, of course they are obliged too when chemical weapons are being used on civilians. its a question of whether their "help" would actually benefit in the long run, which looking at iraq looks like they won't actually fix anything. some countries cultures are just too fucked up/backwards/religious and don't want democracy. I find it ironic that america is such a religious country, since imo that's the main causation of these problems and detrimental to real freedom of thought. just have to wait until nations grow up, ditch religion and start believing in equality and such 

[LordBerenger]

Can't wait for the day USA produces a superior cheap publicly available energy source (dreams) and won't need oil more so the conspiracy tinfoil hats won't bitch that US will invade crappy middle eastern countries just to get its crappy inferior oil.

And also when they'll get a precision laser weapon that shoots beams from the skies and accurately targets hostiles with precision like no other weapon and with incredibly low casualties on the civvies side.



Also on another note. If i were Brobama i'd just tell Russia and China who loves to oppose any UN made decision like an asshole that this Syrian crisis is on Russias and Chinas hands from now on and every dead body from now on is on their heads. The conflict should be taken care of by Russia and China only.

If they fail it's proof of their questionable leadership.

[Clockworkkiller]

Fuck, all this arguing hurts my head, can we all just go back to the video games

[Kafein]

What would this militarized action be ? Just bomb Assad's army with planes and warships ? I can't really believe the US is ready to send foot soldiers.

Either way, a FSA victory isn't going to transform Syria into heaven. An american occupation won't either, and Assad's regime was, well, your usual dictatorship.

[Adraman]

Goodbye my sweetheart, Hello Syria.

[Christo]

You forget the fact that Russia will actually back up Assad if needed,

I didn't.

That would mean Russia would come out of the closet, open conflict and all that.

[Zomg]

What would this militarized action be ? Just bomb Assad's army with planes and warships ? I can't really believe the US is ready to send foot soldiers.

Either way, a FSA victory isn't going to transform Syria into heaven. An american occupation won't either, and Assad's regime was, well, your usual dictatorship.

You don't really need to put infantry to the ground to be honest, this is not 1940s. You just destroy their key locations. First, you take down their anti-air bases and military airports; then proceed to taking down governmental and military locations, with the hope of killing high ranking officers and politicians.

Though again: that may mean that the US troops won't be in Syria, however there still would be war, by pro-American forces against Syria and Iran.

I didn't.

That would mean Russia would come out of the closet, open conflict and all that.

I don't think United States would push Russia and China, without an UN SC Resolution, which they continuously veto'ing. And good for them.

[Tomas_Miles_again]

Just trying to imagine an incident of chemical weapons being used on us in our country and it being alleged to be our government... then other countries jumping in and punishing our government by bombing Westminster. But then again there hasn't been a civil war here for a little while.

[Miwiw]

and who the fuck made the USA  police of the world??

Who the fuck are you, to invade a country, anytime when something that you people don`t like happens??

I really hope Asad kicks some American asses, just because I despise that kind of attitude.

Maybe it's about time that we turn it around and the world groups up and invades the US to stop that madness. After all they enjoyed all the wars, didn't they. Maybe wars would stop in general then without the US having any power.

[LordBerenger]

Maybe it's about time that we turn it around and the world groups up and invades the US to stop that madness. After all they enjoyed all the wars, didn't they. Maybe wars would stop in general then without the US having any power.

And the world would be a grey and depressive world filled with non-loudmouthed, non-social bundle of stickss.

Let's all just commit mass global suicide instead then.

[Miwiw]

Haha 

[Christo]

Let's all just commit mass global suicide instead then.

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[Kafein]

You don't really need to put infantry to the ground to be honest, this is not 1940s.

Then why Iraq ? This is a rethorical question btw. You won't do without infantry as soon as you want to occupy a territory with civilians living in it.

The way I see it, either the west bombs Assad's military from afar, FSA wins and the country splits up with every piece becoming a shithole, stirring up conflict in adjacent countries (kurdistan region mainly). Either the west occupies, it goes well for a week then Iraq. Either the west does nothing and this goes for months until Assad wins.