Is archery nerfs fair? (Updated 03.05.2013)

[To Kill A Dead Horse]

this is just to put your post into perspective,  I agree that archery has been hit hard. but most classes have been nerfed a lot,  i am just throwing in some of them:

RIP 4D Long Vougle you were the greatest friend i ever had

[Tzar]

Funny otto....

I just got 1 shot in my face today by a bodkin arrow... I have around 80 hp an 50 armor...

Could you try lobbying a bit harder : 

[OttomanSniper]

Funny otto....

I just got 1 shot in my face today by a bodkin arrow... I have around 80 hp an 50 armor...

Could you try lobbying a bit harder : 

Yea i can be unicorn leader with my head arrow.

[Torost]

I played 7 gens straigth as dedicated archer. In the end I just quit, felt pointless. Im a whaler now, with 4 harpoons

You can discuss back and forth if the nerfs to archery was over the top, I think it was. Made it unfun.

The real problem was that archery was made irrelevant by the crossbow.
For all practical purposes it did not make sense to spec archer with all its limitation and use expensive equipment versus just get  a 1slot crossbow and have a char viable at melee. Crossbowing is such a dull way to play IMO. Shame really.

Even with all the crazy limitations placed on archery, they could be bearable if not the crossbow was there as much better alternative.

Mimics history .. crossbows replacing archery...

[Gurnisson]

Like you melee people don't lie about damage from archers lol. Like, "urgh *crycrycry* TWO arrows kills my TINCAN11!11 *crycrycry*"

I play all classes mate, archer being one of them, so please zip it

[jtobiasm]

Yeah Headshot's don't even kill in one haha

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Funny otto....
I just got 1 shot in my face today by a bodkin arrow... I have around 80 hp an 50 armor...
Could you try lobbying a bit harder : 

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[jtobiasm]

Double post ffs

[Macropus]

What I can say for sure is that I can do quite decently with any melee/cav build (saying decently I mean average 1=k/d) and as archer it's much harder for me to get some kills when I try it on my STF. I don't think it's a matter of my personal low skills, it feels really wrong.

[XyNox]

Had some ridiculous moments as well.

- The other day, within a few round my +3 bodkin fired from a +3 hornbow at 6 PD bounced 3 times on Templar_Bobby's (?) Birgandine.

- When I was playing on EU4 I got a headshot from a rusbow + bodkin ( no info about looms or build though ). I was wearing a great helmet with a 55 HP build and I lost a bit less than half of my HP.

- Blackbow headshotted me with +3 hornbow + 3 bodins while I was wearing a Klappvisier, 55 HP. I lost about 70 %.

- Playing on my pole alt with 44 b armor and 65 HP I got hit in the body with 6 PD from a hornbow and a barbed arrow and lost about 5 % HP.

In general it feels like everyone wearing a helmet with some metal parts in it is now immune to hornbow oneshots, which is not necessarily bad as the hornbow is a mid tier bow. The low missile speed comibined with this low damage however makes killing someone charging at you more a matter of randomness instead of skill.

I think we need to hand out Master lobbyist awards 

Funny otto....

I just got 1 shot in my face today by a bodkin arrow... I have around 80 hp an 50 armor...

Could you try lobbying a bit harder : 

We have a winner, its Tzar ... who would have thought 

[San]

I expect archer damage to be a decent 1h weapon with the same PS, so maybe I'm biased there when I get hit for tons of damage sometimes for miniscule amounts.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

While devs were too busy nerfing archers, crossbows in the meantime, allow stupid agiwhore melee builds and gokarts horsecrossbowers.

It is actually easier to fire and reload a crosswbow then to shot an arrow from horseback. It is even more demanding buildwise to thow a throwing lance off horseback. Searching for logic in this game is pointless

[bagge]

Tbh it feels like the armor values are fucked up big time, cause I'm headshooting alot of people that survives nowdays, or did you actually nerf the shit out of headshots that I've missed? Even people with Kettle Helmet survives headshots now, what's up with that?

[Arrowblood]

Tbh it feels like the armor values are fucked up big time, cause I'm headshooting alot of people that survives nowdays, or did you actually nerf the shit out of headshots that I've missed? Even people with Kettle Helmet survives headshots now, what's up with that?

But tzar gets fuckin instakilled by headshots every single fucking time, i bet even by a huntingbow.

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[bagge]

hahaha

[Lactating Vegetables]

Hmm, i play both a pure archer build and, pretty much most other builds. Id have to say, if infantry has a problem with archers kiting, then surly it would have been a better idea for some infantry to quit being complete tanks and instead beat the kiters at their own game?

my current shielder can easily out run most infanrty, and catch the archers.

On my archer i can still kite its just harder.