My last post on the matter. (Please do something about Balance.) nvm patch out!

[Chasey]

In my opinion the player base has evovled but the game hasnt. The  general players skill has increased alot, making infantry much harder and fights much longer. I think the game should match this, and change and evolve with the player base.  The way it is now, infantry feels very stale, which is why i believe theres been a big increase in ranged and cav. Why have these long blocking fights and then get shot or couched when you can do the shooting and do the couching. Infantry isnt as rewarding as it was and thats because the game feels is slower and people are better.

 A solution would be not to nerf cav or ranged, but to make infantry more appealing again, so players want to go infantry. This mainly could be done by just increasing the game speed, making things faster so were not stuck with 2 minute fights every time you meet somebody on the battlefield.

[Arrowblood]

It's getting a little crazy, that's for sure.

First and foremost though, they should fix kiting archers.

Yes, but not in the way that the heroes come and can harvest us like corn.

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[Tzar]

I think its time the devs release a class stat info from EU1 to end all of this speculation 

[Cepeshi]

To be honest, on low population server, especially on EU1 during morning or pretty much all weekend except primetimes, the problem is the ratio of ranged/cav to others. When there is 30 people and 17 are ranged and 10 cav, not much fun for the three poor bastards. And yes, i saw that exact setup during the last week.

As a quite long time player i am now somehow "forced" to go ranged or cav if i want to have some fun. If you say awareness fail, fuck you, how should all the awareness in the world help me, even with a long spear, manage to escape horde of horses chasing me? Nah, it wont. As an infantryman on some maps it is impossible to engage in some fight on full HP. Literally impossible. Not to speak that over last few days i have seen SEVERAL maps, where archers from one team could get easily to rooftop and rain death upon us, but from our spawn we didnt get any similar spots.

So yes, all those combined: Low playerbase, high ratio of ranged/cav on eu1, maps that actually support roofmonkeys back (in small scale).

And not to mention the worst of them all, HA/HX. Those fuckers have like 8-10 riding, which makes their bump take away 1/3 my HP in 50bodyarmor. Not to speak shield does not protect you from bumpdmg. So, yes, its fucked up. I stick to battle just cause i hate siege, but now i am thinking what to do. Switch to siege or go ranged/cav.

It is quite sad, as nothing gave me adrenaline rush as a good fight as infantryman. I played cav for like 8 generations, infantry for 20+-, did not finished a single try on ranged, but among these, the best satisfaction is killing group of enemies and moving on in battle with all HP left. Never felt like that while couching/shooting, NEVER.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Sadly enough, complaining and pointing over-obvious facts is useless.

We are still waiting for the august patch but devs are too focused on project donkey balls to see that their mod is dying.

archers and cav don't need a total nerf or whatsoever. they need tweaking

In my opinion :

-Stop cav and archer stacking

-Cav hybrid is too easy because of the low skill points invested : 5 riding skill is enough to use to best horse in game, i name the Destrier

- Internal horse balance : Destrier is far too god for the skill investment, courser isnt good enough, armored horses are pretty useless (lololol plated charger)

- easy use of crossbow even though you have no skill points invested

- internal throwing balance : pretty useless throwing weapons : throwing axes, throwing spears, throwing lances

- other internal weapon balancing needed

- Super archer kiting

-small weapons blocking massive weapons (yeah ok weapon stun but having an archer taking on a fucking greatsword with a hammer is retarded... but this would encourage more kiting...)

-Uber stab on 2h

-1h stab needs a rework, Have you seen the amount of MW long espada eslanova on the marketplace.

-Paul beeing (heavily) biased towards ranged

[Meow]

Can everyone please add their main char's class to their posts?
Just for the lulz

As a kiting archer: OMG NERF SHIELDS!

[Fips]

Kiting-Solution: Nerf speed while using bow ( Like 1/4th or so, maybe even more), but instead let archers wear heavier equipment (Maybe 5kg or 7 on top of the existing 10 would not be so horrible) and double the amount of arrows in one stack, so archers can go hybrid with 2slot-melee-weapons. Let all players respec their wpf, so archers would have to think about how to balance their archery and melee skills.
Yes, that would be a buff to archer overall, because they might pwn you in melee as well, but probably most archers will quit their dedicated builds and go more for hybrid, and that seems like what everyone wants.

@Meow: Proud non-kiting archer! (At least when i am facing some lonely dude i can be sure to pwn in melee, the great QQers considering archery will get kited and shot, because fuck you)

[Bjord]

Lactose, you have some decent points, but the way you present them will without surprise further demotivate devs to do anything.

Granted, they are slow. Slower than most developers. And when they implement something, they overlook small mistakes and either fix them within the week with a hotfix or simply ignore them. Longspear from horseback, anyone?

Take another example: Chamberkick. Great idea but poor execution. It's really buggy and it's quite hard to perform.

And stop shouting doomsday prophecy about cRPG. It's not dying. Never was. cRPG is getting neglected, though, that's for sure.

@Meow: 2-hander and proud.

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[Osiris]

You forget strat Strat is a large reason why there are so many ranged popping up.

Its simple. an Archer is waay more effective in a strat battle than a 2h hero.

[Haboe]

Can everyone please add their main char's class to their posts?
Just for the lulz

As a kiting archer: OMG NERF SHIELDS!

As a dedicated shielder, game is totally balanced from my point of view. I love eating archers.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

Lactose, you have some decent points, but the way you present them will without surprise further demotivate devs to do anything.

over all these years I'v been happy about the game and devs work knowing their are doing it for free. I'm just dissapointed to see crpg neglected for something else that has raised no interested in me so far. Maybe it will blow our minds, will see. but...c-rpg plz...

[Adamar]

Nerfing is not the way.

Make medium armor not affect archery, and non kitting archers will arrise.

[Renegat]

As a dedicated shielder, game is totally unbalanced from my point of view. Ranged aren't op, they are just too many, lancers are op and are too many.

I would have gave some arguments some months ago, but it's useless to bother now, everything has been already said and nothing happened.

[Riddaren]

Maybe my idea wasns't that good.
What's important is to not make nerfs that decreases the gap between good and bad players, making the game less skill based.
For example accuracy of archers and maneuverability of horses.