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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #90 on: April 14, 2011, 04:28:18 am »
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Upkeep has been the biggest fail in game design of the 21st century.

You must not have played when people had 300 or more wpf and 8-9 power strike from his first fail patch.

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #91 on: April 14, 2011, 10:13:51 am »
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The craziest thing is, that my melee-only char is forced to use ranged too , by the patch.

Why ?

When pikes use 3 slots, i can´t use a pike with my 1h/shielder anymore.

So what do i use , to defend me against cav ?

A medium/light XBOW , which uses 1slot + steel bolts.

I liked to put all points in 1h , but with such a patch i´m forced to put some points in xbow too.

So for me it sounds like the patch will lead to more hybrid class chars , with more ranged.

And i think there is flying enough shit through the air .... pls , let a pike take maximum 2 slots, so that 1h/shielder can use a pike after the patch. Otherwise there will be more hybrids , and more ranged.
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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #92 on: April 14, 2011, 10:26:11 am »
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The craziest thing is, that my melee-only char is forced to use ranged too , by the patch.

Why ?

When pikes use 3 slots, i can´t use a pike with my 1h/shielder anymore.

So what do i use , to defend me against cav ?

A medium/light XBOW , which uses 1slot + steel bolts.

I liked to put all points in 1h , but with such a patch i´m forced to put some points in xbow too.

So for me it sounds like the patch will lead to more hybrid class chars , with more ranged.

And i think there is flying enough shit through the air .... pls , let a pike take maximum 2 slots, so that 1h/shielder can use a pike after the patch. Otherwise there will be more hybrids , and more ranged.

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #93 on: April 14, 2011, 10:37:05 am »
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The craziest thing is, that my melee-only char is forced to use ranged too , by the patch.

Why ?

When pikes use 3 slots, i can´t use a pike with my 1h/shielder anymore.

So what do i use , to defend me against cav ?

A medium/light XBOW , which uses 1slot + steel bolts.

I liked to put all points in 1h , but with such a patch i´m forced to put some points in xbow too.

So for me it sounds like the patch will lead to more hybrid class chars , with more ranged.

And i think there is flying enough shit through the air .... pls , let a pike take maximum 2 slots, so that 1h/shielder can use a pike after the patch. Otherwise there will be more hybrids , and more ranged.
Pls rethink your arguments ;) How the hell this patch in any way could increase the number of hybrids.
It´s more or less the total opposite of what you said.

And perhaps try another polearm to stop horses. Pike is best for sure but other could do this work too.

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #94 on: April 14, 2011, 10:40:42 am »
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Or use a warspear with your shield, you're protected and you can stop cav.

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #95 on: April 14, 2011, 10:52:50 am »
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I think you are dead if you try a warspear.

Heavy lance is just longer and hits first. So you are dead.

Correct me , if i´m wrong. Thought the only weapon long enough to hit first before heavy lance is pike. But maybe i try a bamboo spear again. But that one failed too often while i tried it.
So that the heavy lance just hits first , and because you are dead , you can´t hit the horse anymore ...

And if you use shield and spear , you must decide if you want to be protected behind your shield=block ( 2 hits and a medium shield is crushed because of the speed bonus of the cav ) , or you want to try to stop the horse = dead , cause heavy lance is longer = hits first. Maybe i try a bamboo spear again. I tried it and it sucks too often .... so i changed to pike again. I know that i have no protection against ranged, while i use pike, but i think it´s a better option against cav than be protected with shield , and use bamboo spear ...

Maybe i must try again various combinations.


Edit :

How the hell this patch in any way could increase the number of hybrids.
It´s more or less the total opposite of what you said.

And @ Camaris : Simply cause i can´t use a pike after the patch, with 1h/shield ( when pike needs 3 slots ) , so i must choose something other than pike , that hits first before heavy lance hits me = ranged = no more melee only = hybrid ;-)

Edit : Maybe i try something with throwing too , after the patch, cause i think jarids or throwing spears , or axes could kill a horsie too. But it´s totally clear that the patch will change my melee-only char to a hybrid char.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 11:02:38 am by Sean_Drew »
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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #96 on: April 14, 2011, 10:57:13 am »
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im guessing that the heavy lance would have 3 slots too?

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #97 on: April 14, 2011, 11:06:06 am »
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I think you are dead if you try a warspear.

Heavy lance is just longer and hits first. So you are dead.

Correct me , if i´m wrong. Thought the only weapon long enough to hit first before heavy lance is pike. But maybe i try a bamboo spear again. But that one failed too often while i tried it.
So that the heavy lance just hits first , and because you are dead , you can´t hit the horse anymore ...

And if you use shield and spear , you must decide if you want to be protected behind your shield=block ( 2 hits and a medium shield is crushed because of the speed bonus of the cav ) , or you want to try to stop the horse = dead , cause heavy lance is longer = hits first. Maybe i try a bamboo spear again. I tried it and it sucks too often .... so i changed to pike again. I know that i have no protection against ranged, while i use pike, but i think it´s a better option against cav than be protected with shield , and use bamboo spear ...

Maybe i must try again various combinations.


Edit :

And @ Camaris : Simply cause i can´t use a pike after the patch, with 1h/shield ( when pike needs 3 slots ) , so i must choose something other than pike , that hits first before heavy lance hits me = ranged = no more melee only = hybrid ;-)

Edit : Maybe i try something with throwing too , after the patch, cause i think jarids or throwing spears , or axes could kill a horsie too. But it´s totally clear that the patch will change my melee-only char to a hybrid char.

Tbh if you chose to do it like this its your choice. I dont think that most of the people will take a low tier bow/ low tier xbow as secondary weapon.
Probably you cant take Sniper or Heavy X-bow with your 1h/Shield either. And just to kill horses... its not like a pike i guess.

PS: If i can stop horses with my Danish Greatsword there probably are  enough polearms too that could stop a horse in most of the cases.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 11:08:39 am by Camaris »

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2011, 11:30:38 am »
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can someone direct me to the topic where all the info about upcoming patch is ? so i know what to whine about ?;]

or is all this info from IRC?

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2011, 11:36:20 am »
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It´s not only about stopping horses , from cav-players that are not so good, or just play simplier. It´s about the range of a really good cav-player , like Fallen_Torben for example. He knows how to be out of range from your war spear and kill you , that you don´t have a chance to stop his horse.

I just tried it with a shield/warspear combination , and it simply sucks totally. ( 3 times in a row ) . It´s simply not long enough to reach a really good cav player. And don´t say i don´t play good enough with spear , or such things , cause i played a dedicated spear/shielder for 2 gens.

So war spear is not an option.

A good cav player ( like Torben ) rides circles around you while stabbing you with his long heavy lance. You can´t reach him with a war spear.

I can stop and kill cav players that are not so good. It´s easy with a war spear. But i talk about the good ;-)

Next i try the bamboo spear.

And Camaris .... you know about the stab-reach-bonus of your 2h weap ? It has a very long reach. So you can really compare it with a long pole. I think it´s longer than a war spear, in real situations. There are some hidden bonuses.
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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #100 on: April 14, 2011, 11:50:11 am »
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The craziest thing is, that my melee-only char is forced to use ranged too , by the patch.

Why ?

When pikes use 3 slots, i can´t use a pike with my 1h/shielder anymore.

So what do i use , to defend me against cav ?

A medium/light XBOW , which uses 1slot + steel bolts.

I liked to put all points in 1h , but with such a patch i´m forced to put some points in xbow too.

So for me it sounds like the patch will lead to more hybrid class chars , with more ranged.

And i think there is flying enough shit through the air .... pls , let a pike take maximum 2 slots, so that 1h/shielder can use a pike after the patch. Otherwise there will be more hybrids , and more ranged.
Or you can take a spear for some hoplite action instead which is already decent enough to stop cav(scare it off) if you know what you're doing. I know i'm repeating what others told you, but you're repeating yourself too.

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2011, 11:50:55 am »
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The problem is only with the horses with super maneuver stat that pull 9G turns. I guess the rider is well strapped in and wears a G-suit.
With most other horses you can move directly infront of them where they cannot lance you and rear them with the spear. Quite risky against a good rider, true.

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2011, 11:52:20 am »
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The problem is only with the horses with super maneuver stat that pull 9G turns. I guess the rider is well strapped in and wears a G-suit.
With most other horses you can move directly infront of them where they cannot lance you and rear them with the spear. Quite risky against a good rider, true.
You have a shield for crying out loud, you can just block (lancers) cav and let pikemen/ranged do their job. Why does everyone want to have in his pocket a wepaon to beat any other class in the game ?

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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #103 on: April 14, 2011, 11:58:23 am »
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You have a shield for crying out loud, you can just block (lancers) cav and let pikemen/ranged do their job. Why does everyone want to have in his pocket a wepaon to beat any other class in the game ?

Easy one: to beat any other class ingame :D
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Re: 2 slot items
« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2011, 12:01:05 pm »
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You have a shield for crying out loud, you can just block (lancers) cav and let pikemen/ranged do their job. Why does everyone want to have in his pocket a wepaon to beat any other class in the game ?

This.

*Round Starts*

I try to flank around on my horse, I see two shielders, well, they are shielders, let's delay them I say!

*Shielders pull out pocket pikes*

Okay, just at the last second, I evade them, meh.

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