2h stab madness

[Ptolemy]

If you fail against instastabs - then you don't have enough of reaction. Anyway, instastabs is something that can be done only by high STR users or against no armour. If you whine that your 45 gold 10 armour Black Hood with Mask doesn't defend your face - good day sir, quit roleplaying ninjas.

1. I block *before* the stab because I know it's coming, please read what I write before you start telling me that I fail.
2. Dave doesn't know I'm the only ninja who uses +3 black hood with no mask. (14 armour btw, not that it makes any difference)

[rustyspoon]

Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.

The problem with increased speed is that it makes ping differences a huge issue. I'd rather have added complexity than speed.

So things like alternate attacks, fighting styles, etc.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

If you fail against instastabs - then you don't have enough of reaction. Anyway, instastabs is something that can be done only by high STR users or against no armour. If you whine that your 45 gold 10 armour Black Hood with Mask doesn't defend your face - good day sir, quit roleplaying ninjas.

So, if I pay 1mil for my weapons and you pay 10k for your head armor I should be able to beat you with no effort?

[Cyclopsided]

The problem with increased speed is that it makes ping differences a huge issue. I'd rather have added complexity than speed.

So things like alternate attacks, fighting styles, etc.

I am on this boat if you asked me. I much prefer the slower (current) combat speed because it makes battles SOO much more interesting and variable.
Native is boring, block well and attack quickly and use a trick here and there, and TADA, win! Native dueling sucks.

Before I moved to my new place with shitty ping, I had a good 4 minute long duel with galgorth that was full of extremely intricate dueling tricks (Chambers, kicks, feintchambers, purposely glancing thrust to do instant side swings, Holding an attack until they release their block not some arbitrary tiny amount of time, of course feints but pffft they are dumb, tons of techniques). The depth of our fight and metagame is something that I've never seen replicated in faster speeds/native.
In fact, our playstyles were completely different and yet on par with one another.

[Visconti]

Its funny, because back when the 2h stab was slow, people complained about it, so they sped it up and gave it a shitty animation, and now people are complaining about it again? 

[Teeth]

Its funny, because back when the 2h stab was slow, people complained about it

wat? Who, the 2h? Yeah they sure have nothing to complain anymore. Come on, how can you look at the current 2h stab and not think it is retarded? Just look at your average 2h's behaviour. They know their stab is fucking strong, and use it all the time.

Players were complaining of the game being too slow. Now we have a high speed attack that can be punished with anticipational blocking. Now they complain it's too fast.

Yes, cause speeding up one specific attack for one class really adresses the slow game issue and not at all unbalances the pretty good balance that was there 

[ThePoopy]

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[Visconti]

wat? Who, the 2h? Yeah they sure have nothing to complain anymore. Come on, how can you look at the current 2h stab and not think it is retarded? Just look at your average 2h's behaviour. They know their stab is fucking strong, and use it all the time.
Yes, cause speeding up one specific attack for one class really adresses the slow game issue and not at all unbalances the pretty good balance that was there 

I agree, the stab is the strongest attack on 2hs. But its no different from the right swing on polearms, or the left swing on 1hs. And what i meant is, people complained about the slow 2h stab because it would kind of hang out there for a second after the animation finished, because of how slow it was, so they could still get hit by it.

[Cyclopsided]

I agree, the stab is the strongest attack on 2hs. But its no different from the right swing on polearms, or the left swing on 1hs. And what i meant is, people complained about the slow 2h stab because it would kind of hang out there for a second after the animation finished, because of how slow it was, so they could still get hit by it.

No, it is completely different from the right swing on pole arms and the 1h swings.
The right swing is the only decent side swing for poles, as the left is god awful.
The left swing for 1h is fast BUT short, it's right swing is long but slow. Pros and cons, situationally used.

There are downsides to the upside you reference for those weapons. 2h Does not have anything like that. It has the good (or best) side swings, and the best thrust.

[Tydeus]

There are downsides to the upside you reference for those weapons. 2h Does not have anything like that. It has the good (or best) side swings, and the best thrust.

Actually, the thrust is the only 2h swing with a real downside. You're completely forgetting about thrust stun which is a major deterrent. I kill people all the time because of it. It's the reason why I favor the Miaodao and the Niuweidao.

[Cyclopsided]

Actually, the thrust is the only 2h swing with a real downside. You're completely forgetting about thrust stun which is a major deterrent. I kill people all the time because of it. It's the reason why I favor the Miaodao and the Niuweidao.

No no, I'm not forgetting about it. Thrust stun sucks. It isn't even logical why the code has such a long thrust stun, 0.870 when others have much lower numbers for delay time.

[Jarlek]

2h needs a nerf? No shit.

[Siiem]

I am 2h boy, I like to stab a lot, and i agree with that thread

sometimes I stab 3 times in the row like crazymotherfucker

This post immediately made me think of Forrest Gump... GJ rebel, gj.

[Kafein]

This post immediately made me think of Forrest Gump... GJ rebel, gj.

Coming from rebelyell, I don't think that was actually intented.

[Bjord]

Actually, the thrust is the only 2h swing with a real downside. You're completely forgetting about thrust stun which is a major deterrent. I kill people all the time because of it. It's the reason why I favor the Miaodao and the Niuweidao.

I just chamber the swing meant to hit during the stun. Lots of people do this on EU. And even if they do a hold, I just cancel the attack and block, by then the stun is gone.

If you went out of your way to use miadao(which is far from a dueling weapon), then too bad I guess.

And in battle, barely anyone has time to think about the thrust stun because so much is going on at the same time. I usually pay attention to the stuns, especially as I am one of the few using a Longsword on EU and it's easier to capitalize on stuns with a fast weapon.

Anyway, ATM, stun is a bit too viable with 2h. Needs a tweak, that's all.