Nerf Cav

[Gurnisson]

i call bullshit, you ride into a 8+ people group that are close to each other and horse stops by the sheer amount of inf it went into

Might work, depending on the horse. However, doesn't remove the fact that if it did trample through 17 people, they all had laughable awareness and deserved to get bumped.

[Lemmy_Winks]

I dont like the bump stun idea. This would do very little if nothing to actually nerf lancer cav which is the easy cav mode that needs to be nerf (and is used by 95% of cav), and it would heavily nerf 1h/2h cav to the point of being obsolete. 1h/2h weapons are so short its very difficult to not hit someone when coming in to attack them, not only that due to how short the weapon is bumping is necessary to protect ourselves from them hitting us as we come in. Also xbow cav is not OP in any way shape and form, and bumping is also important to them too as its the only way they can really kill a sheilder. Lancer cav on the other hand do not bump people when they are trying to actually lance them, and if they do bump its well after the target was hit with the lance therefore there is no difference than it is now.

There is no such thing as "bump lancing", ive been playing for 9 months now and that has literally never happend to me (never even heard the term until today), whenever i see a lancer cav coming at me i put up my gaurd and i never get hit. Its not even possible, to hit someoen with a lance you have to stab them before you hit them with your horse, the weapon is too long to hit them when they are that close to you. But i assume you mean bump lancing in lancing them so they have to put up there block so you can run them over safely, which isnt really much of an advantage, anyone who wears any armor at all is not going to be damaged by a lancer horse (courser) bump. Why are u proposing to nerf the only 2 cav classes that are not really OP and require some skill, while not nerfing the problem, the lancer cav at all.

I do think something should be done, but it should be in the area of making it harder for lancer cav to hit people, that is the current problem, anyone can charge a lance straight into someone its too easy.

[CrazyCracka420]

Personally I think the game is pretty well balanced.  Ranged (on foot and horse) can easily take down horses.  On an open plains map, try rushing up to the enemy team and see how long your horse stays alive before being shot to bits.

Pikes and Long spears (really even pitch forks) can easily stop horses in their tracks.  At level 1 I was rearing horses with a pitch fork.

I don't think cavalry is overpowered as people suggest.  I think that infantry in public servers generally have no sense of teamwork or tactics and that their stupidity leads to cavalry being able to pick people off.

In strategus battles, or in servers where infantry runs around in groups, cavalry is forced to go after other cavalry, or the people who run around by themselves.  Once those targets are gone, cavalry is only useful when two infantry groups are engaged in combat.

So where's the problem?  Cavalry is overpowered because people in public servers are too stupid to run around with a pikeman in their group?  Or because ranged doesn't want to target horses (when they do, my horse drops quick).

I think nerfs should end, the game is pretty well balanced as it stands, and nothing is overpowered.  Everything has a counter, everything has weaknesses, it's not my fault for exploiting my classes strengths while you do not exploit my weaknesses. 

Anyone who's ever been in a strategus battle with decent tactics can attest to the fact that cavalry is only useful when two infantry groups are engaged in combat, this is typically how cavalry was used in warfare, to flank engaged enemy infantry.  It's not my fault you have lone-wolf rambo types who think they can run around on their own, and then bitch and moan when they inevitably get gang banged by cavalry.

[BlueKnight]

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I dont like the bump stun idea. This would do very little if nothing to actually nerf lancer cav which is the easy cav mode that needs to be nerf (and is used by 95% of cav), and it would heavily nerf 1h/2h cav to the point of being obsolete. 1h/2h weapons are so short its very difficult to not hit someone when coming in to attack them, not only that due to how short the weapon is bumping is necessary to protect ourselves from them hitting us as we come in. Also xbow cav is not OP in any way shape and form, and bumping is also important to them too as its the only way they can really kill a sheilder. Lancer cav on the other hand do not bump people when they are trying to actually lance them, and if they do bump its well after the target was hit with the lance therefore there is no difference than it is now.

There is no such thing as "bump lancing", ive been playing for 9 months now and that has literally never happend to me, whenever i see a lancer cav coming at me i put up my gaurd and i never get hit. Its not even possible, to hit someoen with a lance you have to stab them before you hit them with your horse, the weapon is too long to hit them when they are that close to you. But i assume you mean bump lancing in lancing them so they have to put up there block so you can run them over safely, which isnt really much of an advantage, anyone who wears any armor at all is not going to be damaged by a lancer horse (courser) bump. Why are u proposing to nerf the only 2 cav classes that are not really OP and require some skill, while not nerfing the problem, the lancer cav at all.

I do think something should be done, but it should be in the area of making it harder for lancer cav to hit people, that is the current problem, anyone can charge a lance straight into someone its too easy.

You can bump lance but remember that every horseman that decides to bump, risks a damn lot.

[oprah_winfrey]

Listen to Lemmywinks, he speaks the truth. Heavy horse + morningstar is superhard.

A quick fix would be to give 2h swords the old stab animation. Now that 360 lolstabs have been nerfed it isn't as powerful. The minipike greatswords easily stop cav in their tracks.

[bruce]

The only solution to making teamwork happen more is to make maps where solo heroism / running in random directions is suicide, like open plains (without big obvious clusterfuck ruin) and other actual battlefield maps. As long as half the maps are random town/village/whatsit run to the ruin and camp/ rush around streets clusterfuck there will be no teamplay.

We had on EU4 a long long time ago mostly open plains maps, lots of players, which resulted in big shieldwalls and formation fighting, because failure to do so was certain death.

[Lemmy_Winks]

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You can bump lance but remember that every horseman that decides to bump, risks a damn lot.

I would like to see someone bump lance me in duel server or something, really it would be impressive to see that there was a game mechanic ive literally never seen before. Also what do u mean risk alot, 1h/2h cav have to bump or get close enough to bump every single kill. Ez mode lancer cav.

[Gurnisson]

There is no such thing as "bump lancing", ive been playing for 9 months now and that has literally never happend to me (never even heard the term until today), whenever i see a lancer cav coming at me i put up my gaurd and i never get hit. Its not even possible, to hit someoen with a lance you have to stab them before you hit them with your horse, the weapon is too long to hit them when they are that close to you.

Learn to play before making comments like that. If you haven't seen bumplancing in 9 months of cRPG then I'm very surprised. I don't know how it's on NA, but there's quite a lot of bump lancing on EU, and I can (could maybe, haven't played lancer in a while) easily do it myself. If you want to see the best bump lancers, watch the 'nomads' on DtV

It requires good timing, but it's quite easily done once you've mastered it.

[Leshma]

Keep it as it is. Only ones to benefit from this are gay 2h with gayswords. And poor shielders.

Less cav means less kills for me, when I'm using greatsword.

[BlueKnight]

I would like to see someone bump lance me in duel server or something, really it would be impressive to see that there was a game mechanic ive literally never seen before. Also what do u mean risk alot, 1h/2h cav have to bump or get close enough to bump every single kill. Ez mode lancer cav.

When I play my cav alt and see an enemy holding down his block or preparing to chamber, then I decide to bumplance him. It usually deals small dmg but surprises an enemy and forces him to change his tactic. Have you ever played lance-cav?

[Lemmy_Winks]

When I play my cav alt and see an enemy holding down his block or preparing to chamber, then I decide to bumplance him. It usually deals small dmg but surprises an enemy and forces him to change his tactic. Have you ever played lance-cav?

Yes i played lancer cav along time ago when i was working my way up to morning-star cav. I also on occasion will use my lance if there are some lancer cav that are targeting me alot ot kill them just out of anger, dont need any pole wpf to be lancer cav.

[ROHYPNOL]

nerf torch.. its stays lit while on horseback

[Blackzilla]

I think huey wants this because this is what NA looks like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5HXF2qp-yY&feature=player_detailpage#t=224s All the  cav on one team, causeing him not to top the score board, anyone who steals one of hueys peasant/afk kills, needs to be nerfed.






BTW didn't read anything.


I saw someone say something about bump stun, no do not RE-ADD that mechanic AGAIN, it was horrble you barely touch something bam you are stunned.


I lied I skimmed through this page.

[Lord_Panos]

Yesterday I bumped couched tenne,he was so mad 

[Weewum]

Buff Lancers, 1h Cav, and HX.