cRPG: status and plans

[Digglez]

speeding up melee swing speed sounds like pretty dumb idea.  Mod should really have a 5% chance of any parry failing, resulting in 1 of the parties getting hit by a richochet/loose weapon or possible disarming.  WPF should help prevent that

[Tor!]

anything that has something to do with chance is a bad thing

[Teeth]

Randomization lowers the skill required in a game. Can't believe you actually suggest such a thing. GTFO.

The skill ceiling should be increased by speeding up the game and adding more depth to the combat system. Which is the approach they're taking, I just hope they hurry up.

[Peasant_Woman]

Less random = more skill its true.

But what I don't want to see is things like katana being able to just spam down some weapons at 200+ wpf which used to happen in old crpg sometimes. No weapon should be able to doubleswing, unless the other player hesitates of course.

[Teeth]

Less random = more skill its true.

But what I don't want to see is things like katana being able to just spam down some weapons at 200+ wpf which used to happen in old crpg sometimes. No weapon should be able to doubleswing, unless the other player hesitates of course.

If you speed every weapon up by 10%, nothing is going to changes spam-wise, everyone just needs to block faster.

[oprah_winfrey]

I agree, I hope that more than speeding up those with high WPF, that this new curve actually SLOWS DOWN those who invest little to nothing in WPF (and WM to that matter).

I would rather just see Agi/WM builds buffed, not str builds nerfed.

If you speed every weapon up by 10%, nothing is going to changes spam-wise, everyone just needs to block faster.

I agree with this, unless it is so fast that players won't be able to react in time. This seems like it would only be a problem if the wpf carryover was added back, where some players had 300+ WPF.

[Digglez]

anything that has something to do with chance is a bad thing

Wrong.  Low % chance events add a unpredictable gameplay element that means players have to adapt and think on their feet.  100% certainties are what is called 'BORING' & predictable gameplay

If you think chance is so bad, why is damage currently chance based?  Looks like you just got served

[oprah_winfrey]

Wrong.  Low % chance events add a unpredictable gameplay element that means players have to adapt and think on their feet.  100% certainties are what is called 'BORING' & predictable gameplay

If you think chance is so bad, why is damage currently chance based?  Looks like you just got served

I guess games like chess and go are boring as well right?

[Digglez]

I guess games like chess and go are boring as well right?

Yep, which is why you see them broadcast all the time and they get such good ratings.

[Teeth]

Wrong.  Low % chance events add a unpredictable gameplay element that means players have to adapt and think on their feet.  100% certainties are what is called 'BORING' & predictable gameplay

If you think chance is so bad, why is damage currently chance based?  Looks like you just got served

You can't adapt to random events, it either happens or it doesn't without you being able to influence it at all. Nothing pisses me off as much as dying to random things. Luckily this game as rather few randomities that get you killed, I can almost always directly blame myself for dying, and can then improve upon what went wrong. That is skillbased gaming, that is what makes this a great game. The only unpredictabilities in a game should be those caused by the skill of your opponent at being unpredictable.

If you think chance is so bad, why is damage currently chance based?  Looks like you just got served

And who here actually likes that? I know I don't. I think the only reason it is in is to simulate that similar blows can do more or less damage depending on if they hit vital organs. Would be much more awesome if we had a damage model that properly simulates this and have completely non random damage.

[Tor!]

Wrong.  Low % chance events add a unpredictable gameplay element that means players have to adapt and think on their feet.  100% certainties are what is called 'BORING' & predictable gameplay

If you think chance is so bad, why is damage currently chance based?  Looks like you just got served

So your saying that suddenly standing there without a weapon because you had an unlucky roll, will add to the skill factor? Randomness on the damage - sure, in some instances I find it a bit silly, but then again you have angles, movement speed, turning, where you hit, held attack or not, factors YOU decide as a player. It does however seem you have something against anything skill related, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Your "You just got served" line made me laugh though, honestly. I for one try to keep a discussion civil, but it seem you resort to insults at the first sign of disagreement.

[Digglez]

So your saying that suddenly standing there without a weapon because you had an unlucky roll, will add to the skill factor? Randomness on the damage - sure, in some instances I find it a bit silly, but then again you have angles, movement speed, turning, where you hit, held attack or not, factors YOU decide as a player. It does however seem you have something against anything skill related, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Your "You just got served" line made me laugh though, honestly. I for one try to keep a discussion civil, but it seem you resort to insults at the first sign of disagreement.

yep, its called improvising, it makes things alot more entertaining than sitting there dueling for 5 minutes. So unless you're going to add a weapon health & armor system, you need a system to break the stalemate of invincible weapons

[oprah_winfrey]

Yep, which is why you see them broadcast all the time and they get such good ratings.

You are right, if the devs add your suggestion, ESPN will be broadcasting strat battles tomorrow.

[Tears of Destiny]

Wrong.  Low % chance events add a unpredictable gameplay element that means players have to adapt and think on their feet.

How are you supposed to "adapt" to a random block not working, precisely?

As for the current system of the random damage variable of armor giving 50% to 100% effectiveness, that too is a bad mechanic imo.

If you are randomly disarmed, there is no improvising. Eve if you had a backup weapon, you will die 100% of the time due to the opponent spamming you to death before the painfully slow equip animation goes into play.

EDIT: I also want to point out that people were not as disarmed on the battlefield as Hollywood likes to pretend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard

[Penitent]

I think some randomness is good.  The game is not complex enough on its own to have NO randomness.

For example, armor absorb or knockdown.  Its good to have some variability here.  If  a player has stats such as "balance" and "resilience" and those scores were checked against a knockdown weapon's "angle of attack" and "damage" in order to determine if a knockdown was successful,....that's great.  But we don't have all that stuff so a random chance (influenced by certain stats) works great.

If NOTHING was random, it would just be min-maxing all day.  Life is random at times, and a game that stays interesting has to have some randomness too....in moderation though!

What I'm saying is, let's not be all like "random=no skill=sucks!"  It's not that simple.   It depends on what the random chance is and what it is influenced by.