Turning speed nerf effects 1h more than 2h/pole.

[BlindGuy]

cmp the soo promised better wpf curvE?

no becouse combat is becoming boring and boring and slower at every patch.         i play 1h since this mod got 20 ppl online, and never changed my class in what 2 years and half? 3?    ,   now   follow someone "agile" with 6+ athletics and make overhead is almost impossible,  withouth considering strange things like,  you do overhead, the target is there, you made the swing , but suddently you hit nothing and he hits you from flank,  than he appear near your flank.         there is a void of animation and comunications between client, target position and your swing.

As always, LOL at the engrish, but as usual, vicious is right.

[Nessaj]

Fraps is a bitch, takes waaay too much power.

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[[ptx]]

Come play in eu1 and let me watch and learn from you ptx. I really feel like hitting the guy, but it just always goes "beyond". And he hits me just fine, ofc.

Not this weekend, sorry

I did some testing with the longspear and found that turning into your swings (which you can still do with the turn speed change) no longer makes it so you hit the sweet spot.I tested it on some 1 that was

mid range and i glanced 8 out of 10 hits with spinning, but a straght stab hit 10 out of 10. So the sweet spots have somehow been changed so that straight hits, actualy hit most of the time which is good.

However a straight hit still glances 100% of the time when some 1 is face hugging you. The only way to hit people that were so close to you before was to spin and hit the sweet spot but because thats been

removed its now near impossible to hit people that face hug you. Which has in fact made 1v1's alot harder imo. But hey the games not balanced around 1v1s so i dont really mind, just my observations so far =)

Dunno, i can hit people facehugging me just fine, by starting the attack facing just to their side and then turning it into them, which i find easier to do now than before.

[Bulzur]

Not this weekend, sorry
Dunno, i can hit people facehugging me just fine, by starting the attack facing just to their side and then turning it into them, which i find easier to do now than before.

No problem, have a nice weekend.
I'll practice on Eu3 with friends, because it really annoys me currently. I even managed to teamkill a friendly when going for an overhead against one beyond him, first time it happen.

[Leshma]

I've thought a bit about turning issue and came to conclusion that we should blame cmp for current state of melee combat.

Before "early active attacks", hiltslashing wasn't easy to pull of like it's now. Thanks to that change, in situation when I'm standing at enemies side, if he swing aiming at my teammate I'll be the one to take the hit. While that is realistic and makes sense it add a lot of randomness to melee combat.

Attacks being active so early in the animation is the reason why combat shifted from proper timing (both attacks and blocks) to what I call dancing which is nothing more than attempt to confsue the enemy, playing on lucky card that your hit will connect and deal damage. This style of fighting is something that abuse people who can't block held attacks very well.

While I like this slight turning nerf because it's realistic (although it's still possible to turn for 1080 degrees in less than a second) I think that you should first try to adjust your own invention, early active attacks in order to prevent cheesy way of fighting that's prevalent these days.

[Miley]

I don't understand this. Does this have to deal with a new patch or something? I haven't noticed anything different than from like 3 or 4 days ago when I was playing Medieval 2. Then again, I've been playing on Community since NA 1 was down and everyone was in Community. I don't know if they're all patched.

And affects* Lolz...

[cmp]

I've thought a bit about turning issue and came to conclusion that we should blame cmp for current state of melee combat.

Before "early active attacks", hiltslashing wasn't easy to pull of like it's now. Thanks to that change, in situation when I'm standing at enemies side, if he swing aiming at my teammate I'll be the one to take the hit. While that is realistic and makes sense it add a lot of randomness to melee combat.

Attacks being active so early in the animation is the reason why combat shifted from proper timing (both attacks and blocks) to what I call dancing which is nothing more than attempt to confsue the enemy, playing on lucky card that your hit will connect and deal damage. This style of fighting is something that abuse people who can't block held attacks very well.

While I like this slight turning nerf because it's realistic (although it's still possible to turn for 1080 degrees in less than a second) I think that you should first try to adjust your own invention, early active attacks in order to prevent cheesy way of fighting that's prevalent these days.

Your whole argument is invalid, because it's based on the assumption that the "early active attacks" change applies to enemies. It doesn't. It applies only to attacks on teammates and scenery.

[Vodner]

Unless I'm grossly misremembering things, earlier active attacks only affected swings vs teammates and (iirc) map props/hills. Swings versus opponents were unaffected.

The increase in community skill led to the tricks we see now. There are a large number of players who can block 1v1 without error for a long time. That is boring, and you don't want a long fight in battle anyways.

edit: Beaten.

[Leshma]

Your whole argument is invalid, because it's based on the assumption that the "early active attacks" change applies to enemies. It doesn't. It applies only to attacks on teammates and scenery.

Then, why it's possible to kill an enemy just like you kill your teammate with a flamberge overhead from behind?

Was it always like that?

[cmp]

I think so? Don't recall changing anything that could affect that.

[Christo]

I think so? Don't recall changing anything that could affect that.

It's a lot more drastic&noticeable since one of the updates though.

[cmp]

What exactly are you talking about? Hitting enemies early in an animation?

[Christo]

Getting killed/hit by, usually swords from behind via a side-slash/overhead. It's really frustrating.

Other weapons do it sometimes, but most often I see it happen with greatswords.. heh, what a surprise.

[oprah_winfrey]

What exactly are you talking about? Hitting enemies early in an animation?

Pretty sure you increased damage on hitting enemies early in an animation. Which makes killing people behind a lot easier and hilt slashs/castor swings a lot easier because there is less chance that you will glance.

[cmp]

Pretty sure I didn't.