Adding firearms to cRPG

[Apostata]

there could be 50 percent chance for a firearm to explode and kill the user + everybody around, the other 50 percent chance would be that the gun wouldn't fire at all. than i could live with firearms in medieval MOUNT and BLADE game. otherwise i don't want to see them ingame (a few more random hard hitting ranged weapons that are only about luck? wtf? why?). just go to play M&M mod.

By cutting off your most superfluous beginning I find you state your argument on valid ground. There should be no real advantages based on luck.

 Nevertheless - how do we find, sir that big bad ranged weapon with big reticule while aiming is based on luck? Still, this reticule needs to be aimed on target and still, quantity (of fired shots) makes hit to happend more "luckily" likely, thus influencing the way how, when and how much is ranged weapon fired and used. No, I do not find firearms, throwing with 0 and other crap based on pure luck and I give anyone who consider them as such a big sorrowful smile.

I am for adding firearms.  So called "atmosphere" is already spoiled by archers wearing closed helmets and by army of huscarl shields and side swords and of course by those dickheads who think that plate armor looks great and so cool with great helmets. I really dont see what kind of cheap stalemate we can achieve with preserving warfare as it is. cRpg needs fresh air. Most of equipment many of us using right now was added only because of diversity cRpg always ought to have. Lets not close doors to firearms when those who likes european warfare or that "atmosphere" ( I really dont see any) should already be disgusted by japanese stuff.

Since they would be so inacurate, you could get some clans using them in volleys, which would be quite cool to see. Not nearly as cool as longbowmen shooting in volleys though.

I would love that more than archers on rooftops. Or oh, wait no, its time to preserve this uniqe "atmosphere" of rooftop sniping my old friendness!

[Elmetiacos]

I am pro-firearm (in cRPG), always been. However in the beginning chadz made a poll and the majority was against it I think. Don't know if that changed. I suggest making a poll again.

And we keep having polls until we get the right answer. Do you work for the EU Commission?

[Laufknoten]

And we keep having polls until we get the right answer. Do you work for the EU Commission?

+1

I have no problem with firearms, but it shouldn't come out like this:
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[Hunter_the_Honourable]

By cutting off your most superfluous beginning I find you state your argument on valid ground. There should be no real advantages based on luck.

 Nevertheless - how do we find, sir that big bad ranged weapon with big reticule while aiming is based on luck? Still, this reticule needs to be aimed on target and still, quantity (of fired shots) makes hit to happend more "luckily" likely, thus influencing the way how, when and how much is ranged weapon fired and used. No, I do not find firearms, throwing with 0 and other crap based on pure luck and I give anyone who consider them as such a big sorrowful smile.

I am for adding firearms.  So called "atmosphere" is already spoiled by archers wearing closed helmets and by army of huscarl shields and side swords and of course by those dickheads who think that plate armor looks great and so cool with great helmets. I really dont see what kind of cheap stalemate we can achieve with preserving warfare as it is. cRpg needs fresh air. Most of equipment many of us using right now was added only because of diversity cRpg always ought to have. Lets not close doors to firearms when those who likes european warfare or that "atmosphere" ( I really dont see any) should already be disgusted by japanese stuff.

I would love that more than archers on rooftops. Or oh, wait no, its time to preserve this uniqe "atmosphere" of rooftop sniping my old friendness!

from what you have said it just seems like you want no ranged in the mod and no heavy armour...

[Blondin]

And we keep having polls until we get the right answer. Do you work for the EU Commission?

Last one :

Yes, that would be nice.     75 (26%)
No i have enough ego shooter games.     184 (63.9%)
Maybe , but wait until fire and sword comes out and then we can see how it is.     29 (10.1%)

[johncage]

Things need to be removed, not added. The Samuari armor and swords and the ninja stars for starters.

[Phalanx300]

Things should be added. The more variety the better. Its what makes this mod great. Only too bad about its ignorant community. 

And when was that last poll held? Most people just think of M&M mods or shooters when they think of guns so instantly press no while they would basicly act like an crossbow only slightly different.

 Just search for arquebus or other early firearms.... Most votes are because they don't know how it would work...

[Kazak]

Want fireamrs? Go and play Mount and Musket! 

[Beauchamp]

By cutting off your most superfluous beginning I find you state your argument on valid ground. There should be no real advantages based on luck.

 Nevertheless - how do we find, sir that big bad ranged weapon with big reticule while aiming is based on luck? Still, this reticule needs to be aimed on target and still, quantity (of fired shots) makes hit to happend more "luckily" likely, thus influencing the way how, when and how much is ranged weapon fired and used. No, I do not find firearms, throwing with 0 and other crap based on pure luck and I give anyone who consider them as such a big sorrowful smile.

I am for adding firearms.  So called "atmosphere" is already spoiled by archers wearing closed helmets and by army of huscarl shields and side swords and of course by those dickheads who think that plate armor looks great and so cool with great helmets. I really dont see what kind of cheap stalemate we can achieve with preserving warfare as it is. cRpg needs fresh air. Most of equipment many of us using right now was added only because of diversity cRpg always ought to have. Lets not close doors to firearms when those who likes european warfare or that "atmosphere" ( I really dont see any) should already be disgusted by japanese stuff.

I would love that more than archers on rooftops. Or oh, wait no, its time to preserve this uniqe "atmosphere" of rooftop sniping my old friendness!

"we have sideswords, 17th century equipment, samurai's and ninjas so we can have even firemars" - this is no argument. i feel the game is already fucked up by all this over to much, but still its not a reason why to fuck it up even more. if it came down to me only, i'd limit it to true medieval equipment only, i'd allow only RP names ingame etc. if you don't care about medieval atmosphere (which in understandable as not everybody likes pure medieval feel) than you will agree with adding almost anything and there is from your point of view nothing wrong with that.

aye you are right, firearms will recquire "some skill". even throwing a nuke takes a very small, but still skill in the end - you know what i mean, you should hit at least a city center in 5km range...

[Apostata]

"we have sideswords, 17th century equipment, samurai's and ninjas so we can have even firemars" - this is no argument. i feel the game is already fucked up by all this over to much, but still its not a reason why to fuck it up even more. if it came down to me only, i'd limit it to true medieval equipment only, i'd allow only RP names ingame etc. if you don't care about medieval atmosphere (which in understandable as not everybody likes pure medieval feel) than you will agree with adding almost anything and there is from your point of view nothing wrong with that.

aye you are right, firearms will recquire "some skill". even throwing a nuke takes a very small, but still skill in the end - you know what i mean, you should hit at least a city center in 5km range...

To you second bolded text: For such thoughts I nod and pray for  this game style to suceed in times, where all what players care for, is their K/D ratio and cool clan tags. Shame that cRpg is absolutely not about it. Thus I prefer firearms to take their part.

To your first..:
When entities which are sharing the same logic confirming values are put into one agreggate (lets name it "Ag") of their very type and then it comes to the decision what to do with the exact same kind of thing which shares self justifying value like the others mentioned in "Ag"...
 well, yes it IS argument.

Your thoughts about perfect medieval game have my respect, as such depiction of medieval game are very close to vision of mine, but lets be honest. CRpg is favourite game of none of us but disgusting eclectic wankers and if there is some way how to at least fulfill this warfare eclectism which cRpg trades to us, its time to add it, together with more and more and more...

Of course we can share a word about it via PM in czech aswell.

[DrKronic]

there could be 50 percent chance for a firearm to explode and kill the user + everybody around, the other 50 percent chance would be that the gun wouldn't fire at all. than i could live with firearms in medieval MOUNT and BLADE game. otherwise i don't want to see them ingame (a few more random hard hitting ranged weapons that are only about luck? wtf? why?). just go to play M&M mod.

TOTALLY AGREE, ALSO early firearms like the medieval handguns(which should be the only ones really added, the ones from late 13th,early 14th first employed by Arabs) would not work at all in rain

and should be near completely innacurate and take forever to reload, plus I'm not sure if its safe to keep a charge loaded in one of those, or if you're supposed to shoot as soon as you load a charge(so mebbe no carrying a loaded one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zro0_kGL160

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwoHWV1vaVs&feature=related

[Christo]

Well, I can accept Firearms in cRPG, as long as it's balanced out.

But think about one thing. If it gets in, but won't be fun, and entertaining as the other classes, then what's the point?
Don't "overbalance" it either. It has to be a bit competent with the other ranged classes a bit, it's a game after all. 

[woody]

Please no.

Why does this keep coming up?

Add the arbalest if you want as uber X bow firearm equivalent with a 2 min reload.

[Beauchamp]

i'm lost :o)

[Blondin]

Things should be added. The more variety the better. Its what makes this mod great. Only too bad about its ignorant community. 

And when was that last poll held? Most people just think of M&M mods or shooters when they think of guns so instantly press no while they would basicly act like an crossbow only slightly different.

 Just search for arquebus or other early firearms.... Most votes are because they don't know how it would work...

Last poll was held 20th march (10 days...) : http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,3163.0.html

The result was clear so ppl started another one.

I don't understand your need for firearms, guns, musket, arquebuse, all are the same, a one shot weapon.
you say it will work like xbow, then what's your problem you already have xbow, no smoke that's all.
You talking about the ignorant community, but you should be more ignorant to not understand that guns (or arquebuse...) will dramaticaly change cRPG, i'm not talking about the atmosphere, but balance and gameplay, gameplay with guns is totaly different, they could be machineguns or arquebus, it's still the same, it hurts too much the way to play.

I'm out, see ya in the next thread and next poll in few days.