SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED

[Adamar]

I never said all archers are skilless, I said archers have the most "not-so-skilled" players which results in very few really good archers who are topping the score board from time to time.

What makes you think this, in particular? Is it the suckiness at melee or all the missed arrows?

[Peasant_Woman]

The point is you cannot find out how easy/difficult a class or playstyle is unless you played it for a longer time. Pretending to know about it after like 10 kills with a STF is just plainly arrogant.  I suggest you start at zero and make an archer alt, level him up and see how it works out like Meow did with an open mind because he is not a blockhead like so many others here.

Many long-time players have played archer for a gen or two (or at least played a STF for a while).
I find it quite arrogant of you to assume that everyone with a differing opinion is talking out of their arse.

[IL_Xijena]

Im not a really an experienced player but from what I read and saw on the servers themselves it's not that archers do great damage or whatsoever, the fact is there should be less archers. Im not saying we should have pure melee but honestly, it's ridicilous when you see a volley of arrows flying towards you. I think there should be a "nerf" which would encourage all archers to use medium armor and have a melee weapon because it's funny when he shots you until you come near then just escapes.

[bigsean]

Many long-time players have played archer for a gen or two (or at least played a STF for a while).
I find it quite arrogant of you to assume that everyone with a differing opinion is talking out of their arse.

and many haven't, especially the ones who feel they need to make an STF alt and then brag about "how easy it was"

Dev's tellin these dumbasses, listen up.

[polkafranzi]

Here's a thought, a lot of us are saying there should be less archers, but I agree and disagree.

Reason is, that in a battle, there SHOULD be lots of arrows flying BUT, it should be like it really was, from far away, aimed into the air and the arrows rain down on the enemy, then the cav charge bla bla bla, that to me would be epic.

However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.  This is just fake.  The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).

Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can. 

Yes, this is verging on having to face up to the fact that it's very unrealistic and belongs in realism thread so you can ignore this post 

One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.

[IL_Xijena]

Here's a thought, a lot of us are saying there should be less archers, but I agree and disagree.

Reason is, that in a battle, there SHOULD be lots of arrows flying BUT, it should be like it really was, from far away, aimed into the air and the arrows rain down on the enemy, then the cav charge bla bla bla, that to me would be epic.

However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.  This is just fake.  The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).

Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can. 

Yes, this is verging on having to face up to the fact that it's very unrealistic and belongs in realism thread so you can ignore this post 

One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.

Very true but such things can be only seen in RP I think that the Dev Team should do something large. Like in game, in warband if possible
"in-build teamspeak" and the highest level in the team would get commander so we would see a lot more tactics and such. I would love to see something like that because, I can't put it better then this:
"However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it"

[Old_Sir_Agor]

Thank you.
If I recall correctly (counting Gens on my main and alts together), I played 3 Gens of pure foot archer, 2 gens HA, 3 gens pure xbow/hybrid xbow and 2 Gens throwing hybrid.

I guess more than 88 million expierence points in ranged classes should give me a slightly insight in those.

if you dont want nerf , then stop posting more then many other haters in nerf thread. And it is not even close to easy playing archer, when around are many other ranged, or me with arb, or some extremly high amount of cav, if you have big problems with archers, then try to wear something better then lamellar vest or find other build for yourself.

[Shemaforash]

ITT: what the average crpg player thinks is op

[IL_Xijena]

I think people shouldn't say Archery is easy. Meh, I shot a guy 5 times in his chest, he had medium armor and survived. The dmg itself is okay the problem is people just doing hit&run and basically people waiting for players to drop shield so they can shot them.

[OpenPalm]

... but honestly, it's ridicilous when you see a volley of arrows flying towards you.

HOW IS THIS NOT THE BEST THING EVER IN A MEDIEVAL FIGHTING SIMULATOR

However, the way ranged is, we have this fucking Legolas LARPer Robin hood prince of thieves fucking mentatlity and the fail engine allows it, where one archer does what would never happen in a real battle, for example this ridiculous thing where they aim first away from you and then at suddenly towards you from like, 1 meter, and shoot through your shield.

How do they shoot through your shield?  Also, in real life, archers can change the direction that they are aiming very easily... You just turn your body.  So this seems pretty realistic.

The same way they used to jump above the shield at close range and make a hedshot (one of best things devs ever did removing jump shooting btw).

You use to be able to JUMP and SHOOT!?  Damn, that would have been amazing to do, sounds like a ridiculous amount of fun.

Do you think a battle could ever be won by a couple of archers who snipered everybody off? Nah, but in cRPG it can. 

If it's a small skirmish of 45 vs 45 I could definitely see an elite force of 3-5 archers that did a disproportional amount of damage.

One thing we all have to agree on though, including archers (who still won't agree) is that there are a helluva lot of ranged hate threads, and those threads where people ask which class is most annoying/hated and ranged top always...you have to admit, something is wrong.

There are so many ranged hate threads because it sucks fighting ranged if you don't have a shield and are slower than them.  People don't treat ranged with enough respect, in siege I see people charge up to the castle as arrows rain on them... not even dodging, getting hit by 2-3 arrows and maybe killed.

[OpenPalm]

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[Vibe]

I think the problem lies in the difference between loomed crap and unloomed crap (in addition to builds). I know I sometimes get shot for half of HP by an arrow and quite often for half of HP by a crossbow, whereas on my 5PD loomless HA the damage is downright disappointing (even off the horse). Every guy in decent armor takes atleast 5 arrows and the last destrier I killed while on a horse took more than ten arrows.

I can imagine I'd have much less trouble killing people with a loomed xbow and loomed bolts.

[Vibe]

Yep, Looms definately make a greater difference for ranged as they do for melee weapons ..

They don't make as much difference for melee weapons as they do for ranged (you can have both bow and arrows loomed).

[Old_Sir_Agor]

They don't make as much difference for melee weapons as they do for ranged (you can have both bow and arrows loomed).

and melee can loom some very good armors, shields and any weapon type. And still use some loomed xbow as sec weapon or some throw loomed stuff.

when archer can use only bow and arrows, and maybe some 1h with low 1h wpf or none

[Havoco]

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