SAVE CRPG! NERF RANGED

[Smoothrich]

I think the looms here really nails it.

Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.

Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.

2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.

[Adamar]

I'd trade the extra damage from the arrows for more arrows or stable accuracy.

[Paul]

I think the looms here really nails it.

Someone with a MW Rus Bow, MW Bodkins, and a typical 18/21 build will do damage comparable to a heavy crossbow, with three times the RoF and mobility.

Maybe someone can throw some "stats" at me that says this is impossible, but one or two shots from a veteran loomed up rus bow archer, that they can land over 100 yards away with great accuracy, will nearly black bar a destrier with a body shot.

2 shots will blackbar/kill me wearing a lordly heavy kuyak with lordly plate mittens unless I am some retarded 9+ IF build.

no

[Old_Sir_Agor]

Yes. I am often getting two shotted in lordly katafraktoi + lordly mail gauntlets, 21 str and 5 IF.

Sometimes noob archers or HA dealing only like 5-10 % damage per shot.

So looms and high level make a big difference!

come on dont lie, i wear tribal warior outfir + 0 and mail mittens +1, i have 18 str and  0 if, and archers like cadarn, strudog, bagge at big distanse, radh and many others cant kill me with 2 shots, i bet if i have +3 stuff and a bit if i will allways survive 2 arrows.
dont forget that archers have distance penalty on dmg, rain penalty, speed bonus/penalty.  but still we have some high pd archers, ofc they make big amount of dmg, but they are slow and they cant aim.

[Smoothrich]

No one's lying.  MW Rus/MW Bodkin, you might as well not be wearing any armor at all, it doesn't seem to factor in your armor rating whatsoever and does at least triple the damage I usually receive compared to most melee weapons except STR builds with great bardiches or something like that.

[Adamar]

come on dont lie, i wear tribal warior outfir + 0 and mail mittens +1, i have 18 str and  0 if, and archers like cadarn, strudog, bagge at big distanse, radh and many others cant kill me with 2 shots, i bet if i have +3 stuff and a bit if i will allways survive 2 arrows.
dont forget that archers have distance penalty on dmg, rain penalty, speed bonus/penalty.  but still we have some high pd archers, ofc they make big amount of dmg, but they are slow and they cant aim.

aye, aye

[crojosip]

lower archer accuracy, increase or leave damage alone.

[Trikipum]

 Its true that archers where comoners, and there are plenty of historical portrayals of high medieval archers wearing medium armor and good helmets, regardless of their social condition. I assume lords wanted their troops to be efficient, if it could be afforded.

Not really good armor. They used what they could afford theirselves. Lords didnt pay for archer's armor. The kind of archers we talk about. Not mercenaries but normal ppl who happened to be "archers" in wartime. Families would save money for years "incase" daddy would need to go to war... just not to send him in rags. But the big mass of archers went with just leather armor if any. "rich" ones, like artisans etc would go to the battle even using chainmail. There was not a "uniform" for archers.
Btw, those portrayals give just clues, since most of them were always made decades after the real battle, also adding many "fantasy" stuff, just like they do nowadays. You know, people is always people, no matter the time, they always commit the same sins

[Adamar]

lower archer accuracy, increase or leave damage alone.

My longbow is already crap at long range.

[Old_Sir_Agor]

Seems pretty senseless to argue with them.

It´s exactly what you say, no matter if I wear my +3 lamellar vest, +3 kuyak or +3 katafraktoi, I´m getting 2-3 shotted with every of them.

Sometimes, as I said, of course HA and lowby archer deal very low damage.

But what are we even talking about, I think it is about high level, dedicated archer who got their bow and arrow loomed.

Sure, if in agor´s fantasy world he can survive 2 shots in a unloomed tribal warrior outfit from an 18/21 +3 loomed dedicated archer, what´s the purpose of even posting here ...

I think if dedicated high lvl archer full loomed kill you in 3 shots because you decided to be spearman or 2h, and not shielder is it allright. placed 3 good shoots in mass fights is way more skill then just 1-2hit people with long spear.

[Sellka]

longbows are already crap with range, focus on certen bows, Don't nerf my longbow more then it already has. most of the bows are too closely related to the Longbow anyways, ive not been around to see whats happend with the bows recently but I know that to nerf the longbow again would be rendering it useless, its already a close range shotgun now. don't be saying BLARG nerf ranged, look at the equipment they are using, and I know the Longbow needs a increase in range, so its not a shotgun and pisses more people off when they get shot point blank by an archer. I know how it feels I went from an archer to a 2h, and I have switched back because I like archery, and all depends on the archer, the set he has, and if you stupid enough to run in a line at him.

EDIT**
PS Also Loved being a 2h, was a 2h for nine months, got good K/D, but Archery is still my favorite despite the K/D

[Old_Sir_Agor]

all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.

fuck how he said gen 36 lvl 32 and still so retarded.

[peter_afca7]

all what people like warlord want here - 1) less ranged on servers 2) dieing only by 5 or more arrows 3) allways survive 1 headshot 4) less runing speed by archers.

ooooo this looks awsome lets plent it in the cRPG would be epic 

[Chagan_Arslan]

leave ranged alone, it might seems like an easy class, but it is actually much harder than melee char in heavy armor... if anything blame yourself for not using shields

[Leshma]

A lot, lot harder. Even harder than melee char in light armour with agi build.