Get this broken balance fixed!

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

so how does complete random teams brings teamwork?

seriously I'm saying things about playing together, teamwork and stuff since a few posts and you seem to completluy ignore what I am saying! then you talk about comprehension? this is ironic!

you are complety against banner balance, because, SOMETIMES, we stomp the enemy team...

and when there are many of my clan mates on, i can assure you we are never all on the same team...

edit : oh yea aswell, i see small clans that can play together thanks to banner balance. I'v just come across some swiss halberders.
getting rid of BB would actually do more harm then you think...

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

oops double posting, sry

[Gnjus]

Playing with your clan mates is fun, but pub stomping is cowardly.

Cowardly in what way ? Who's fault is it that randomers course of action is this: spawn - run forward (possibly taking an arrow from the opposite corner of the map right away) - don't even bother to look around and get couched by Heroic Khans - if i manage to stay alive to meet the enemy just spam wild till i die without making any contribution to my team except maybe a few lucky kills ? Who's fault is it that they refuse to be alert and directly cause their team to lose ? Is it the Byzantium guys fault ? By organizing themselves they cause others to play like idiots ? I don't think so. What Lactose the Milkman said: sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, its a normal thing that their organization and numbers will more likely prevail then not.
Personally i enjoy playing against them with my lads, no matter how much i dislike some assholish members of their clan but still its more interesting to fight someone worth killing even if they prevail more often then we do. Randomers don't give a shit about playing the game and enjoying it, most of em probably just spawn and get killed fast so they can continue doing their homework or browsing porn so losing to organized team is exactly what they deserve. Remove banner balance and you've killed the mod (once again).

[BlameMeForTheNoise]

Cowardly in what way ? Who's fault is it that randomers course of action is this: spawn - run forward (possibly taking an arrow from the opposite corner of the map right away) - don't even bother to look around and get couched by Heroic Khans - if i manage to stay alive to meet the enemy just spam wild till i die without making any contribution to my team except maybe a few lucky kills ? Who's fault is it that they refuse to be alert and directly cause their team to lose ? Is it the Byzantium guys fault ? By organizing themselves they cause others to play like idiots ? I don't think so. What Lactose the Milkman said: sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, its a normal thing that their organization and numbers will more likely prevail then not.
Personally i enjoy playing against them with my lads, no matter how much i dislike some assholish members of their clan but still its more interesting to fight someone worth killing even if they prevail more often then we do. Randomers don't give a shit about playing the game and enjoying it, most of em probably just spawn and get killed fast so they can continue doing their homework or browsing porn so losing to organized team is exactly what they deserve. Remove banner balance and you've killed the mod (once again).

Give this mans nose a medal.

[hippy_with_a_scimi]

who says the pubbies (like me) dont like teamworking , i think its a important factor in this game

  The problem lies into having a full clan stomping the servers for hours   , 

 Its far easier to do teamworking with TS and full dedicated group of heroes  loaded with gear ,
pubbies cant have the same level of teamworking ITS NOT POSSIBLE....

heck i could be 30-0 with the proper clan , but it remove the fun of playing , there is no challenge , no fun no feats

and the opposite is as bad , its a land of horror where pubbies  get destroyed and people like me with a great kd  get pushed in the pubbie side so that YOU get to play with your buddies

 BB is fun but in reality its a totally unfair method of balancing ,

If you cant agree that its unfair , you fail at life and may God have mercy on your soul 


also id like to mention BB is ultra bad at mixing side ups ,  as an example  in siege , i get to defend 95% of the time because of bad balance and poor mixing 


Hopefully that new dev i forgot his name sorry can find a proper lets say : middle solution that satisfy both sides

 

[oohillac]

NA-side Fallen Brigade, we'll have at most 5 of us on a given average night, and with our numbers we're forced to work with the hivemind rather than control the battle ourselves.  Removing banner balance would do nothing except annoy us because we can't play on the same team.

It's when clanless players with some semblance of intelligence start scooping up a certain banner (cough chaos cough) when said clan already has quite a few good players that things get ridiculous.  Fighting a dozen heavily-armoured players who know how to work together is no fun.

I'm at a loss for a solution.  I want to play with my friends, but I also don't want us to be rolled constantly by banner-stacking.  Perhaps the PIN system suggested would help.

I think having more coordinated clans would help even out the battle server, but that won't happen on NA, not enough players.

The worst is when the system puts two different clans together on the same team with like 2-3 public players, versus a whole team of clanless pubbies.  That sucks.

[CrazyCracka420]

NA-side Fallen Brigade, we'll have at most 5 of us on a given average night, and with our numbers we're forced to work with the hivemind rather than control the battle ourselves.  Removing banner balance would do nothing except annoy us because we can't play on the same team.

It's when clanless players with some semblance of intelligence start scooping up a certain banner (cough chaos cough) when said clan already has quite a few good players that things get ridiculous.  Fighting a dozen heavily-armoured players who know how to work together is no fun.

I'm at a loss for a solution.  I want to play with my friends, but I also don't want us to be rolled constantly by banner-stacking.  Perhaps the PIN system suggested would help.

I think having more coordinated clans would help even out the battle server, but that won't happen on NA, not enough players.

The worst is when the system puts two different clans together on the same team with like 2-3 public players, versus a whole team of clanless pubbies.  That sucks.

I think what I've suggested would be the best of both worlds.  If it won't uneven the balance of the server, then balance some banners together.  If one or two banners dominate the server and causes an imbalance to place them all together, then put them on separate teams.

I think this should be the order:

Balance by class/equipment
Balance by char level
Balance by banner

And make it so that if it's at all possible to even out the server based on banner, then do so.  But not at the expense of keeping the teams balanced.

I think it's great when 5 people of a faction can play together on the same team.  I think it's lame when 20 people all have the same banner and the balance system places the banner as the highest priority, at the expense of balanced teams, making it essentially a pub stomp.

There's got to be a better algorithm.

[Gnjus]

Banners are the key - restrict them for clan members only and you solved most of the problems. I think there's more then enough banners for everyone, clans & randoms alike. What you think is 15 Byzantiums is actually 9 of em + 6 random leechers using their banner and screwing two things at the same time: first they mess up the balance because if there's too many of the same banners they'll end up split during the map one way or another and second: you split the clanmates and ruin their fun. That needs some heavy fixing, someone should enslave Özin again.

[hippy_with_a_scimi]

Banners are the key - restrict them for clan members only and you solved most of the problems. I think there's more then enough banners for everyone, clans & randoms alike. What you think is 15 Byzantiums is actually 9 of em + 6 random leechers using their banner and screwing two things at the same time: first they mess up the balance because if there's too many of the same banners they'll end up split during the map one way or another and second: you split the clanmates and ruin their fun. That needs some heavy fixing, someone should enslave Özin again.

SLAVE HIM FOR FAIR FIGHTS!    

the 6 random leechers arent much of a threat

i respect you alot  Gnjus  but in that comment , you think only for your clan and play with your clan and split the clanmates , how about thinking about the other side too 

 How hard it is to make a  two sides with similar levels gear without having all clan on one side ?   it does seem very hard 

[Teeth]

I really think having clans playing on the same team while keeping the teams balanced is completely possible. Just needs a different balance system than we have now.

[Lichen]

I really think having clans playing on the same team while keeping the teams balanced is completely possible. Just needs a different balance system than we have now.

-It needs to put all REAL clan members on the same team (make it so non clannies can't use a clan banner).
-k/d (or damage done) is determined for each player and they are are given a number (#10 for the best k/d #9 second #8 third best etc) after clans are put on the same team (not 2 big clans on the same team) their 'number total' is considered when determining which non clan players are put on the other team. Also k/d ratio number should be precalculated based on past performance (taken from your existing stats and updated once a day or whatever)

The goal would be to have each side have as close to the same total 'number' as possible. If this ends up with one team with more players then that's how it should be.

I don't know if this is how the balance currently works in some ways or not but just some ideas.

[Gnjus]

how about thinking about the other side too 

Truth be told: the other side doesn't really deserve to be thought about. On numerous occasions i played chars without Bandits clan tag and i found myself on the opposite side of Byzantiums, Bandits, Fallens or any other at least semi-organized group of players and most of the time i was losing but at least i got the chance to see the core of the problem: punishing clans because random people play like morons and don't even care about putting at least 2% effort to win a round is unfair. If they don't give a damn about the game they play so be it - let 'em lose most of the time. All this time they spend posting their tears on the forum could've been spent either staying alive a bit longer on the battlefield and contributing to their team OR spectating after they died to see what they did wrong but no, they prefer leeching or brain-farting around and YET expect to get their multipliers. Serves them right to get owned by Byzzies and i enjoy their crying when i see it. This is a multiplayer online game that requires just a bit of teamwork to be fun & successful and the most hilarious part of all is to see all those duelist that require justice for their playing style. If you want to duel then go to the fucking duel server, individually you can be the best duelist around but on Battle server you'll just suck big camel's cock because you chase your own score and don't give a shit about the rest. That's when you see all those 2handed killing machines with insane scores but still on the losing team.

My advice to all the Banner Balance criers & random leechers is this: if you don't really want to play this game then don't, to efficiently kill off your spare time you could be doing many other things, either playing games like Solitaire or Minesweeper or even taking a walk outside and seeing how other people actually look like.

[Vibe]

Banners are the key - restrict them for clan members only and you solved most of the problems.

This please

[Lech]

"oh no I am a clanless player but me likes the xzy banner soooooooooo much!"

This PINs seem to be even better then restricting banners tbh.

Yeah, banners for all, pin for clans who want to abuse the shi... play with their clanmates.

[BlindGuy]

Yeah, banners for all, pin for clans who want to abuse the shi... play with their clanmates.

Arent you Lech the Grey? Member of a faction who use banner balance to farm Siege?