archery..

[Old_Sir_Agor]

i think it is normal if archers can easy kill some 2h or poledude, because archers cant do much vs shielders, so o think you want be protected against archer  then take more armor or shiled, shield on back reduced range dmg in your back anyway, archers have pretty crap dmg to arms and legs. so in danger will stay only head and body, come on stop cry then, btw ranged have DMG PENALTY in rain .

[Gravoth_iii]

I think being oneshot in light armour is okay, it seems like it doesnt happen often either. Which is why light infantry should have shields or atleast some IF. Medium + should always be 2shot+ tho, except for headshots.

[BlindGuy]

Your main Gurni is an awlpiker that gets two shot by MW rus MW bodkin arrows with similar damage potential, I must say I find it rather amusing however also disgusting that archers can get such a stupidly high amount of pierce damage.

awlpike: 2 SLOTS

warbow/longbow: 3 SLOTS

warbow/longbow + bodkins: most expensive weapon ingame.

You pay the price: 3 slots, can run outa ammo, slow attack speed, cant block melee, cant rear horses.

Also, MW warbow and +2 arrows: Shot playername INSANE HORSE 7 times upper body. He say he have 1 hp left, so lets assume 8 arrows was the amout needed: ANYONE EVER SURVIVE 7 AWLPIKINGS? All solid hits no bounces. Maybe sometimes ppl do...not that I see tho.

BEFORE YOU RAGE: I like melee fighting, up untill this Gen all my looms were swords/shields/spears. I just dont feel that ranged ever dominated me, or was even very hard to defeat 1v1.

1 vs many: GANK is GANK when its done properly, noone can survive GOOD gank from any classes (and I DONT mean when over nine thousand nubs crowd around you in EU1, they are easykill, I mean GOOD gank, 2 guys close, pincer, synchronise attack, noone can block front and back at once). So when a zillion archers shoot me dead: its a GANK, same thing most likely happen when 5 melee guys close on you nicely, you die. Its shit, it feels unfair, but it happens.

If any of you think GANK is NOT gank, regardless of class, then they living in dream world where they are god's gift to online gaming.

[[ptx]]

Except that you *don't* onehit people even in light armor, except for extraordinary circumstances. That just doesn't happen, lol.

[_Sebastian_]

give us the videos or i will never believe in that, i with mw arb and mw steel bolts only have little chance to 1 shot 40 body 18 str, and probably it was some sebastian with all loomed lvl 34 archer woth 10 pd .

I dont think it was me.
I didn't played crpg for 3 weeks, but yesterday I started it again and now I am able again
to 1shot light armored guys with a body shot... but I still deal less damage like it was in prepatch.

[Dezilagel]

Medium + should always be 2shot tho, except for headshots.

What?

Getting 2-shot by anything not a max PD build is insane. Do you have any idea of how much effort it takes to get past some people's blocks nowadays?

[Gurnisson]

What?

Getting 2-shot by anything not a max PD build is insane. Do you have any idea of how much effort it takes to get past some people's blocks nowadays?

I think (and hope) he meant 2+ shots

[MrShine]

Some things to take into account with the damage calculator and therefore all the average damage numbers in this thread pulled from there:

1) Ranged damage decreases depending on how far the projectile traveled.  I believe the numbers that show up on the calculator are basically point blank shots
2) I don't believe the damage calculator is updated from the recent head shot/body shot changes, ie the actual current damage dealt would be lower than posted (confirmation would be nice)

So basically even our discussion about how much PD & damage it takes to 1 shot someone is being generously optimistic.

Gurnisson, I understand your point that you don't think arrows should be dealing 53 hp body shots to 40 armor.  My point is that they hardly ever do.  Like, ever.

    * Minimum: 32
    * Average: 46.5
    * Maximum: 61

According to the calculator (again, best case scenario and likely outdated) this is the most damage you can deal with MW longbow, MW bodkins, and a 27/15 build with 3 athletics, 9 PD, 5 WM (aka a completely shitty build).  So even against the hardest hitting level 30 archer possible (you can go PD 10 at higher levels but just barely) you will most of the time take 2 hits to kill, sometimes taking 1.

You had a blue moon freak occurrence, not something worth demanding nerfs over.

[Leshma]

I think that we all agree that achery needs one heathly nerf.

[Gravoth_iii]

What?

Getting 2-shot by anything not a max PD build is insane. Do you have any idea of how much effort it takes to get past some people's blocks nowadays?

Yes 2shot+ xD my mistake!

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

i think it is normal if archers can easy kill some 2h or poledude, because archers cant do much vs shielders, so o think you want be protected against archer  then take more armor or shiled, shield on back reduced range dmg in your back anyway, archers have pretty crap dmg to arms and legs. so in danger will stay only head and body, come on stop cry then, btw ranged have DMG PENALTY in rain .

and ath is nerfed when rain i think

[Arrowblood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xRrUVVKigk

[Christo]

The "get a shield" argument is so lame and sooooooo very much 2010. Really, we've been over that one many times, you can even add the slot argument nowadays.

It sucked in 2010 even.

True story.

[Old_Sir_Agor]

and ath is nerfed when rain i think

Then i prefer reload time longer for me, then to have crap dmg when it is rain, because inf has still same dmg.

[Gurnisson]

Then i prefer reload time longer for me, then to have crap dmg when it is rain, because inf has still same dmg.

Inf lose speed bonus so overall lower damage there too. Rain is bullshit anyway.