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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2012, 01:55:36 pm »
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2012, 02:27:14 pm »
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Don't believe anything Ujin says. He's a Russian spy :D

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2012, 07:24:25 pm »
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"preserving personal freedom and state rights."

Let me tell you all about Jim Crow, state's rights, and "personal freedom". Well, i guess the back of the bus was free. Sometimes.

And if you knew anything about what Ron Paul stands for then you'd know that he's explicitly said that he was all for abolishing Jim Crow laws but the other baggage that came with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that went against the Constitution did not justify his vote.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2012, 09:13:16 pm »
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I dont follow news let alone american pollitics so I dont know who is he, but surely he cant become president. he seems WAY too intelligent.

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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2012, 09:26:24 pm »
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Yeah sure if you consider reason going to pre WWII style isolationism, dropping trade agreements and hoping someone like, oh, say China doesn't snatch them up instantly is reasonable.

Fellow Americans, you don't want to know what happens when america is no longer a superpower, nor do you want to see what happens when we don't have strong trade. Isolationism is a death sentence in this day and age.

He's an honest guy and makes a good congressman, but i'd never want to see him in the presidency. Positive traits do not outweigh his absolutely ruinous platform.

+1, Ylca. And for those of you who want to say that he doesn't preach isolationism but non intervention, they are effectively the same thing.


Ron Paul is a genuinely nice guy and I don't doubt that for a minute.
However, that says nothing for his ridiculous policies.

As far as why he believes that being non interventionism is a good idea and not dangerous, in a 1997 interview he said this, "There's nobody in this world that could possibly attack us today... we could defend this country with a few good submarines. If anybody dared touch us we could wipe any country off of the face of the earth within hours."

Ladies and gentlemen, our ace in the hole is some diluted,erroneous logic that would have been at best questionable a century ago.


His Idea of airport security is allowing pilots to carry guns of their own.. Not even making this up; he thinks that terrorists would be much less likely to try and attempt to hijack a plane if the pilots can "shoot back".

Pretty much any any federal program out there he wants abolished. "Paul would substantially reduce the government's role in individual lives and in the functions of foreign and domestic states; he says Republicans have lost their commitment to limited government and have become the party of big government. He would eliminate many federal government agencies, such as the U.S. Department of Education, the U.S. Department of Energy, the U.S. Department of Commerce,the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Interstate Commerce Commission and the Internal Revenue Service, calling them "unnecessary bureaucracies".)

Despite being so against all the spending that is going on in the nation, Ron Paul actually requested 400 million dollars in ear marks back in 2007 regarding bills he himself voted no against. Paul's office says those requests include $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing and renovating a fucking movie theater. What was Paul's response though? "In an already flawed system, earmarks can at least allow residents of Congressional districts to have a greater role in allocating federal funds - their tax dollars – than if the money is allocated behind locked doors by bureaucrats" How self righteous can you get?

He thinks that removing alot of the policies and programs America has in place right now cost too much money and therefore should be removed, when in reality removing alot of these programs froma  society that has become dependent on many of them for nearly half a century would have such a heavy economic impact on the country that it would in fact send the US economy into an even greater downward spiral than the one experienced in late 2007/early 2008

I could go on dude, most of his policies are nuttier than candybar shit, sometimes people really do mistake crazy like a fox for just plain crazy. Most libertarians won't even touch Ron Paul with a ten foot pole. Food for thought.


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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2012, 01:42:12 am »
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Please be mindful to differentiate between trade and a permanent military presence across most of the globe, conflicting with international law under a nation's right to self-determination. Real trade is not conducted at gun point - a robbery is.

If our media's regularly contrived public outrages for the acquisition of some ressources or otherwise geopolitically important region was not hypocracy we should fall to military intervention only to secure the freedom of choice for the host country, allowing them to trade with whom is most profitable to them instead of imposing trade restrictions entirely in our (attacking nations and their corporations) favour the countries 'we' (US and allies) invade. That is talking of trade only of course, international law is ideally the only basis on which war should be waged, if at all.

As to your comment about the power of America's nuclear threat; it was megadeath and weapons of mass destruction and not tank battalions that limited U.S - Russian rivalry to proxy wars, and also the reason why no country on Earth would dare openly attack a Nato member today, it all boils down to extermination or mutual extermination. Ground troops serve another purpose, entirely.

But if you're referring to the current 'War on Terror' I can assure you that is not won by 'boots on the ground', rather it is excalated (read for example your own CIA's analysis on this). Big Business is free to exploit the local population, however, to the benefit of the 1%, while the population at home (the 99%) has to pay for the show - in money suffering the military industry's monstrous upkeep including private contractor reconstruction profiteering, and in blood generations of young men and women, poor, idealistic or just 'doing their jobs'.

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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2012, 02:23:26 am »
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His Idea of airport security is allowing pilots to carry guns of their own.. Not even making this up; he thinks that terrorists would be much less likely to try and attempt to hijack a plane if the pilots can "shoot back".

How is this ridiculous?
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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2012, 03:10:14 am »
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How is this ridiculous?

ridiculous 'cause the pilot would never shoot back: he would lie death after the first shot

terrorist are well trainend ppl you know!
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2012, 03:16:37 am »
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The 9/11 hijackers had like little knives and shit. If the pilots had had guns, chances are it wouldn't have happened. We trust pilots to fly gigantic metal aircraft where they have the responsability for hundreds of lives, I don't think it's that much of a crazy idea to suggest they should be able to defend themselves from things like that.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2012, 03:23:04 am »
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The 9/11 hijackers had like little knives and shit. If the pilots had had guns, chances are it wouldn't have happened. We trust pilots to fly gigantic metal aircraft where they have the responsability for hundreds of lives, I don't think it's that much of a crazy idea to suggest they should be able to defend themselves from things like that.
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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2012, 12:03:16 pm »
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How is this ridiculous?

Well for starters because it means that every pilot would, in addition to having hundreds of thousands of hours training for their craft, would also have to be ace marksmen. I don't mean proficient, or "goes to the range once a month" i mean constant shooting drills. A plane is an incredibly enclosed space, one stray bullet is a dead passenger. I'm not sure of the overlap between qualified pilots and superb shots, but i can't imagine that it would be very high. Beyond that the pilot needs to be solely concerned with flying the plane- if a gun is needed in-flight it should be handled by a third party planted in the passengers.

Not that the concept of an airplane getting highjacked is much of a valid scenario these days. For all the huff and blunder about terrorism, there is next to none seen in america in years. I'd also like to point out that 2 teenagers with guns, and a crazy man at a university (Virginia Tech) have caused more terror than these supposed specially trained warriors have in recent memory. That's right, American citizens are better at terrorism against ourselves than any of our enemies so far.

Terrorism in america is a joke used to crack down liberties and militarize police forces.

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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2012, 12:26:36 pm »
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I'd also like to point out that 2 teenagers with guns, and a crazy man at a university (Virginia Tech) have caused more terror than these supposed specially trained warriors have in recent memory. That's right, American citizens are better at terrorism against ourselves than any of our enemies so far.

Don't worry, Ron Paul knows the solution to that, too, and it's to have a gun in every home. Preferably several, including assault rifles.

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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2012, 12:36:37 pm »
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Well for starters because it means that every pilot would, in addition to having hundreds of thousands of hours training for their craft, would also have to be ace marksmen. I don't mean proficient, or "goes to the range once a month" i mean constant shooting drills. A plane is an incredibly enclosed space, one stray bullet is a dead passenger. I'm not sure of the overlap between qualified pilots and superb shots, but i can't imagine that it would be very high. Beyond that the pilot needs to be solely concerned with flying the plane- if a gun is needed in-flight it should be handled by a third party planted in the passengers.

Not really. Just arming the pilots doesn't mean their job description would change. They wouldn't be replacing the Delta Force. But they'd be able to defend themselves in the cockpit, which'd give them a better chance of remaining in control of the plane.
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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2012, 12:47:37 pm »
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How is this ridiculous?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab

Im sure this guy wouldn't have even thought of suicide bombing inside of that plane had pilots held the ability to shoot at him. Let me explain a little further since I basically paraphrased very poorly and didn't tell the rest. He wants to dismantle the TSA entirely and remove all of it's safety regulations and this "pilots with guns" argument was his only known response up until recently. The TSA is arguably a monster of a bureaucratic fuck up, but giving pilots the right to shoot back would do nothing in the way of ensuring safety upon airlines. He at least has tried to clean such a stance up recently by endorsing the idea of privatizing airport security(which  wouldn't even get rid of the TSA entirely) but that's another kettle of fish entirely. I mean, if it's one thing we are known for here in the states, it's the integrity of our major corporate enterprises!
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