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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2012, 05:48:21 pm »
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Ron Paul's philosophy belongs about 50-100 years in the past. I like the guy, he's probably one of the few principled politicians running for office, he has a strong core of values that he relies on. I just don't agree with practically any of them.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2012, 05:50:43 pm »
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I aint voting for him or the nig.... Never mind. Honestly he is a Democrat in Republican body. A real republican won't vote for him. Please don't. He is a bad  candidate please we don't need another Bush tainting are record.

Who, in your opininion, represents the "Republican" ideal best out of all the candidates running for office?
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2012, 07:11:50 pm »
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bah, they will vote for whoever media tells them to, and for sure media will not try to convince people to vote for Ron Paul

and two vids of him:

his predictions
http://youtu.be/ifJG_oFFDK0

like a boss moment ;p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJMM_btpmM

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2012, 08:48:38 pm »
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Who, in your opininion, represents the "Republican" ideal best out of all the candidates running for office?
I don't like are pool of candidates to be honest. I would suggest a Non Party runner such as John Stewart but as we all know the parties have a monopoly on are government.

Rate On Parties (even though I am republican):

Our country was founded on a system to route out monopoly. It is hypocritical due to the fact that the two party system comes up with ideals that THEY WANT and whomever comes up with the majority wins. The average head of these parties know nothing of regular american life rather they live in the HIGH UPPER CLASS area. They do not always fairly represent the people. But the issue that bugs me the most is this country was founded on the premise of a weak President and a STRONG CONGRESS. The part bugging me is the party system (Washington our father HATED) is very hypocritical. It allows for select party leaders to have MASSIVE INFLUENCE on our country whilst possibly being bribed or corrupted and we don't even know. They are the shadow figure  head of our country. We have a Democratic monopoly. I picked the Republican party due to it being the lesser of two evils.

Understand my drift? If not I will elaborate.

I support the non-party movement because it is a person using HIS ideas that fit the country not the ideas of others and without the ties of party holding him back. It will never happen though. I am not a crazy hippy talking about "The Man" but I believe that the parties influence and money will trump the ability of any good candidate to run non-party
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2012, 11:50:28 pm »
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Ron paul doesn't speak chinese OR play music OR have hot daughter.

Jon Huntsman 2012

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2012, 11:58:25 pm »
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Ron paul doesn't speak chinese OR play music OR have hot daughter.

Jon Huntsman 2012
John Stewart or die motherfucker
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2012, 12:06:35 am »
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Jon stewart is like 4 feet tall... You stupid, have you ever heard of a midget bein president? me no.. duh

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2012, 12:10:39 am »
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Jon stewart is like 4 feet tall... You stupid, have you ever heard of a midget bein president? me no.. duh

He will be like Clinton but with more crazy positions
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2012, 12:43:22 am »
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This video,in my opinion , just sums up the US  foreign policy that has been goig on for the last few decades or so : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo&feature=related





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zyo10lusCY&feature=relmfu

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2012, 09:49:20 am »
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I've seen a few clips where Ron Paul said we should have never fought the civil war, because slavery would have gone away on it's own and it would have been more cost effective for the government to buy all the slaves(?) instead of fighting a civil war for 4 years. 

He's also spoken out against the 1964 Civil Rights Act (which legally forced the South to end racial segregation in schools/workplaces/on buses etc) because it "reduced individual liberty".  That fact that he's from the South himself and says stuff like this...I dunno.  I don't think he's racist, but statements like that are like a dog whistle for people with traitor flag bumper stickers. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0
Talking about the civil war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvbJBHhqftc
Talking about civil rights act

LOL. This is the media talking without context. He was against the Civil War because forcing states to stay in the union was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Him being against it has nothing to do with slavery -- much as the war really wasn't about slavery either until after-the-fact. If the states voluntarily joined the union, then they should have been allowed to voluntarily leave the union. He's 100% about the constitution, preserving personal freedom and state rights. Same thing with the Civil Rights Act -- not because he's AGAINST racial freedom, but he's against the shit that promoted AFFIRMATIVE ACTION because it's inherently (and ironically) racist.

The funny thing about his whole stance on abortion and drug abolition -- it really DOES NOT MATTER if you agree or not. If he gets his way, the STATES will decide those policies for themselves, not the President/not the federal government at all.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2012, 10:37:23 am »
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"preserving personal freedom and state rights."

Let me tell you all about Jim Crow, state's rights, and "personal freedom". Well, i guess the back of the bus was free. Sometimes.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2012, 10:54:37 am »
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Seriously, i think Ron Paul is the complete opposite of what a racist is supposed to be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2z2LQMx9KY 2 minutes video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EADdr-5AY  another video, don't be fooled by the title, it's just to drag people attention

Edit*** i found this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4&feature=youtu.be , if you care  to watch it , then tell me how can Ron Paul be considered racist.      IMO the medias are trying to discredit Ron Paul, because he proposes  something different from all the other politicians
 






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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2012, 01:00:39 pm »
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Be happy with the bipartite logic, americans. Here in Belgium , we have two electoral zones, each one with roughly 4 big parties. Which means that any government is an alliance between usually at least 4 parties. Given that the differences in votes between parties are not enormous, the elections and the votes don't mean much. The governments are formed through inter-party deliberations (that can take very long, hence why we have the world record of the longest time without an actual government) and due to the abundancy of parties, even the clear winner of the elections can be cast aside of the government. The most recent event is that the NVA, winner of the elections in Flanders, isn't part of the government. I'm personally happy with this particular event but that's not very healthy. It makes the whole process seem like based on a compromise (with all the electoral logic you can think of but that's fine) between parties rather than the vote itself.

Fuck democracy. There's all the people that have the required intelligence, maturity and information to vote, and there's all the people that do not. PR, demagogy, fantasy platforms and bullshit speeches wouldn't work in the first place if the people that fall for it didn't vote. The election systems of many countries also need a lot of tinkering. Both on the law aspect and in the mentality/traditions (negative campaigns, ad hominem...).

I'll be the first Internet Activist For Stochocracy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarchy)

That's right. No vote, no elections (no wasted billions). Just a few guard laws to avoid choosing someone not fit for the job, and then bam. Each state function gets a randomly chosen manager/minister (whatever). You are sure never to be chosen again, and you can't do anything about it. Personal interest conflicts can be avoided by evaluating the value and then integrating the whole property of the person into the state property, then giving the same value back (in money) when the person's mandate is over. Of course this is all too simple. What if the person is just doing nothing/going rambo, etc. Well there are ways to counter that (like a specific role that could fire others, but could only do it once and then be dismissed...), and I let anyone interested devising a working stochocratic system for themselves :)


Ofc. I'm only half-serious about this :lol:


http://www.ronpaul.com/who-is-ron-paul/

One question. Is there a way to deactivate the music and sounds effects in the videos ? That's exactly the kind of things I hate about PR. I just want to hear what they say, not the american ad music -_-
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2012, 01:39:29 pm »
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Don't believe anything Ujin says. He's a Russian spy :D