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Do horses need a buff?

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #90 on: February 25, 2011, 10:58:33 pm »
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Now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever seen a single dedicated or even hybrid calvary player..  :?
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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #91 on: February 26, 2011, 01:31:43 am »
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Horses don't need buff. They need balances.

They need speed, armor and PV buff but a maneuver nerf. Cavalry actually can too easily dodge pike-mens. But on the other hand, you can jump to reach them even wearing a 30kg (66lbs) armor.

I'm not a cavalry dedicated player but I like to play on a horse when the map allows me to.

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #92 on: February 26, 2011, 10:42:57 pm »
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Cavalry needs a nerf. Every time a good cav plays, he tops the scoreboard without competition. The reasons are simple:
- couching is unblockable and oneshots even plated characters, with long range, this is throwing imbalance + barmace imbalance all in one
- they're fast, so they can chose the target and the direction and if they're smart it's not easy to hear and/or see them coming in time
- should they notice you see them and they don't want to take any risks, they'll switch target
- versatility, you can use a 1h+shield on horse, a polearm, or some ranged weapon
- horse bump, so you hit even if you miss or can hit through blocks without couching

What i would suggest to do is:
- remove couched damage from long weapons
- reduce horse speed and turn rate
- increase skill requirements and point requirements for riding! every cav is almost as good as a dedicated infantry character which is just wrong
- if possible, increase speed loss when horse bumping based on target weight, if i'm a tincan with a hammer a sword and a shield i weigh a ton and the stupid horse needs to slow down alot more
- if someone is blocking with a shield then he horse gets slowed down more on impact based on the shield weight

How would you even think to ask a buff when cav is so OP it's not even funny. It's a little harder to use so it appears to be ok with average player skill, but good players absolutely dominate the game with it.
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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #93 on: February 26, 2011, 11:36:08 pm »
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I thought good players dominated everything they do?
Your post does bring up a few good points, though I disagree on couching being a reason (As in my experience it is so niche used for a good cav player, as it can rarely be used wthout resulting in the target dodging and beheading the rider).
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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2011, 01:46:51 pm »
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Cavalry needs a nerf. Every time a good cav plays, he tops the scoreboard without competition. The reasons are simple:
- couching is unblockable and oneshots even plated characters, with long range, this is throwing imbalance + barmace imbalance all in one
- they're fast, so they can chose the target and the direction and if they're smart it's not easy to hear and/or see them coming in time
- should they notice you see them and they don't want to take any risks, they'll switch target
- versatility, you can use a 1h+shield on horse, a polearm, or some ranged weapon
- horse bump, so you hit even if you miss or can hit through blocks without couching

With Speed buff and a big bloody maneuver nerf, they won't be able to be high speed versatile. They would be able to charge but with a Pike they would be dead. Also they won't be able to maneuver at high speed in little spaces as they do now.

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #95 on: February 27, 2011, 04:40:03 pm »
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Cavalry needs a nerf. Every time a good cav plays, he tops the scoreboard without competition. The reasons are simple:
- couching is unblockable and oneshots even plated characters, with long range, this is throwing imbalance + barmace imbalance all in one
- they're fast, so they can chose the target and the direction and if they're smart it's not easy to hear and/or see them coming in time
- should they notice you see them and they don't want to take any risks, they'll switch target
- versatility, you can use a 1h+shield on horse, a polearm, or some ranged weapon
- horse bump, so you hit even if you miss or can hit through blocks without couching

What i would suggest to do is:
- remove couched damage from long weapons
- reduce horse speed and turn rate
- increase skill requirements and point requirements for riding! every cav is almost as good as a dedicated infantry character which is just wrong
- if possible, increase speed loss when horse bumping based on target weight, if i'm a tincan with a hammer a sword and a shield i weigh a ton and the stupid horse needs to slow down alot more
- if someone is blocking with a shield then he horse gets slowed down more on impact based on the shield weight

How would you even think to ask a buff when cav is so OP it's not even funny. It's a little harder to use so it appears to be ok with average player skill, but good players absolutely dominate the game with it.

I'm not sure if you are trolling or not...

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2011, 04:43:46 pm »
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not speed, only turn rate.. if he has shield in other hand

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2011, 08:46:27 pm »
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Last round, I was using my warhorse for one round, it got onehitted by a throwing axe and died.

Think about it.

A Warhorse.

Repair costs: 2000 gold.

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2011, 09:14:45 pm »
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Courser 19,818 gold
Lance 3,374 gold
Horseman's Kite Shield 1,978 gold
Cavalry Robe 3,582 gold
In total: ~29 000 gold. Yep, gear for the horseman is so f*** expensive. Average equipment for 2hander costs more or less the same. And take a look at Ujin, Simon Templar, TomMyyY, they don't need tanks and black armour to have KD ratio ~10:1.

Don't agree on 10:1

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #99 on: February 27, 2011, 09:22:22 pm »
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Last round, I was using my warhorse for one round, it got onehitted by a throwing axe and died.

Think about it.

Bad luck.A headshot from pure thrower i guess.

And still: the times of plated charger+full plate is over.

Think about it.

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2011, 09:27:44 pm »
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I don't get the impression Cavalry needs a buff. Last build with 3 riding and the default 1 wpf in polearms, I could get a couple couch kills some rounds, before my horse died.

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvary

"Not to be confused with cavalry (horse or armoured troops)." I only bring it up for the sake of informedness, not to be a douche or a turd sandwich.

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2011, 09:50:25 pm »
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Throwing is OP as well, especially high PT builds, which can oneshot even a panzer or a dreadnaught from the future. It isn't a valid argument: cav is OP but throwing is OP too so it's ok! Not..

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2011, 10:03:36 pm »
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Last round, I was using my warhorse for one round, it got onehitted by a throwing axe and died.

Think about it.

A Warhorse.

Repair costs: 2000 gold.

That's your own problem for rushing throwers head on, you got killed by the speed bonus and he most likely hit your horse right in the face, your horse deserved to die.

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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2011, 11:13:30 pm »
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I own a sumpter, rouncey, heavy courser, champion cataphract, mamluk, and a plated charger

it seems like it should go from bad -> better horse but this is quite untrue. A regular cataphract is better than the mamluk and plated charger. A heavy courser is better than the champ cataphract I own and the rouncey is an all around good horse with cheap upkeep. The armoured horses simply die faster on me than my rouncey and courser because not only do people go after them first, they are too slow to merit a defense againt some jackass on an unarmoured horse with any ranged weapon, or spinning thrusts of those god awful pikes. The horses themselves seem to be fine, but I think if you are thrusting a weapon on foot you should not be able to move at all. It really fucks over any kind of evasion you try to do when they pull out a pike last minute. Cav is expensive for upkeep if you want to use good gear on it too. I dunno it just seems to me the patch really screwed over cav, at least for me. The armoured horses are almost useless anymore.
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Re: Calvary needs a buff.
« Reply #104 on: February 28, 2011, 05:10:34 pm »
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Bad luck.A headshot from pure thrower i guess.

And still: the times of plated charger+full plate is over.

Think about it.

If you are Wulz, the horse archer i am always killing, stfu.

That's your own problem for rushing throwers head on, you got killed by the speed bonus and he most likely hit your horse right in the face, your horse deserved to die.

I didn't rush them head-on, I am an experienced cav, they've killed my horse from the side. It wasn't in the face, it was in the front. Come on, it's an armoured horse, and throwing axes should not 1-hit kill these kind of horses.